Quote:Still, taken together, you can't convince me that Bowling Green would not "compete" (whatever that means) in a BCS league right now. The Falcons totally ripped Kansas and Missouri to shreds last year, and Purdue looks like one of the Big Ten's four best teams right now.

Kansas and Missouri, eh? Congratulations. You and most everyone but Baylor and Vandy could do that.

cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:

Quote:Still, taken together, you can't convince me that Bowling Green would not "compete" (whatever that means) in a BCS league right now. The Falcons totally ripped Kansas and Missouri to shreds last year, and Purdue looks like one of the Big Ten's four best teams right now.

Kansas and Missouri, eh? Congratulations. You and most everyone but Baylor and Vandy could do that.

Agreed. Beating up bottom of the barrel teams in a big conference does not mean you can compete in a conference. Especially since one of the teams you listed (Temple) is getting kicked out because they suck so bad. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Y'all are talking about a guy who just questioned what the word "compete" means. That should say it all right there. :laugh:

One thing that's bringing Toledo and company down is the deadwood in that conference... Eastern Michigan, Buffalo (named worst team by ESPN), Central Michigan, etc., etc.

Miami and VA Tech are headed to the ACC...Toledo, Marshall, now's your chance. You want a crack at the BCS....get in the Big East...which after Miami and VA Tech leave...will be the easiest place in the world to be BCS bound.

Either do that...or cut some of these schools out.

Secondly... it still says the same thing. If 1-A football had a playoff...then you guys have seriously legitimate complaints. I'm not saying they aren't legit now. The fact is, bowls are always going to take the bigger fan bases...and as many statistics as you can throw at me about MAC attendences, the BCS schools who have winning records overwhelm them in fan base totals, overall attendance, and sales.

Hell, Arkansas charges $175 for an indoor club seat, and they sell out like hotcakes. They're selling skyboxes...and we have em wrapped around the stadium...for $7,500 a GAME...and not a one isn't sold out. Not counting broadcast.com, the ARSN (Arkansas Razorback Sports Network) has had radio affiliates in AR, OK, LA, and TN, and one in MO is starting up. Only Notre Dame, Michigan, and Tennessee have larger radio networks...all 3 BCS schools. If you're on a bowl committee, even though you're supposed to look at just the teams....most are gonna say look at all we can get from this school, while a mid-major can't bring 1/2 of that. That's politics, fair and simple. It's not perception, that's reality.

If you want quick action....and no playoff happens...either get in the Big East and drop the deadwood, or expand your stadiums to at least 50,000...sell em out, make millions in sales, establish a gigantic radio network, and then try and attempt for a shot at the BCS.

I'm sorry to be so blunt... but I'm at least showing reality here. The media or the bowls are not going to jump up and give you respect over 1 great weekend. You've got to sell your product in a whole variety of ways to get anywhere.

WPS

Rumor has it that Mississippi is the culprit!

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[QUOTE] Hoeppner (NIU coach) said his team suffered another hit from the success of the MAC last weekend.

"We had a Southeastern Conference school that was ready to announce a home-and-home [series] with us," Hoeppner said. "Last week, they backed out."
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<a href='http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030923/SPORTS04/109230106' target='_blank'>http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...RTS04/109230106</a> :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

TJRocket Wrote:G,Dawg... how old are you? because it matters... really it does :rolleyes:

Ducking my question, eh?

Bite me :snore: :wave:

calling_the_hogs Wrote:If you want quick action....and no playoff happens...either get in the Big East and drop the deadwood, or expand your stadiums to at least 50,000...sell em out, make millions in sales, establish a gigantic radio network, and then try and attempt for a shot at the BCS.

I totally understand what you are saying, but the Big East is not looking at Toledo and Marshall. They want Louisville and Cincy because of their b-ball programs. The Big East is a b-ball conference first......this is why Miami and VT jumped on the ACC's offer.

It is pretty hard to imagine 50K coming to a Toledo home game against Buffalo, Eastern Michigan, or Kent State. How can 3 or 4 good MAC schools convince 10 MAC schools to get rid of the bottom half?

That is where the problem exists for us. We can't get that kin of fan base in a small conference.

and that's where your problem is. Bowls are political. Big fan bases count for something.

TJRocket Wrote:Bite me :snore: :wave:

Now I'm thinking 12 was probably giving you too much credit. :rolleyes:

[quote="Grant Street"] Rumor has it that Mississippi is the culprit!

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[QUOTE] Hoeppner (NIU coach) said his team suffered another hit from the success of the MAC last weekend.

"We had a Southeastern Conference school that was ready to announce a home-and-home [series] with us," Hoeppner said. "Last week, they backed out."
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Rumor? Bro, until you have some hard evidence that Ole Miss did back out of playing anybody, for whatever reason, then come back and post that tripe. Until then, nice try. :wave:
I can guarantee you whichever SEC team backed out of playing NIU did not do it because of fear, trust me. Money is almost always the biggest factor. And the MAC cannot compete in that category either. Think before you post that garbage. :stupid:

TJRocket Wrote:Bite me :snore: :wave:

LOL!!!!

Nice comeback. I'm sure it took you a while to come up with that one.

Like 10MAN said, 12 is giving you too much credit.


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cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:

Quote:Still, taken together, you can't convince me that Bowling Green would not "compete" (whatever that means) in a BCS league right now. The Falcons totally ripped Kansas and Missouri to shreds last year, and Purdue looks like one of the Big Ten's four best teams right now.

Kansas and Missouri, eh? Congratulations. You and most everyone but Baylor and Vandy could do that.

Indiana and Northwestern certainly couldn't.

Neither could Illinois, which has lost to Missouri two years in a row.

That's three wins right there for Bowling Green -- four if we count Purdue. If BGSU schedules a a nonconference slate like Minnesota, the Falcons would easily win six games playing in the Big Ten.

10MAN Wrote:[QUOTE=Grant Street,Sep 24 2003, 12:37 PM] Rumor has it that Mississippi is the culprit!

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Quote: Hoeppner (NIU coach) said his team suffered another hit from the success of the MAC last weekend.

"We had a Southeastern Conference school that was ready to announce a home-and-home [series] with us," Hoeppner said. "Last week, they backed out."
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<a href='http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030923/SPORTS04/109230106' target='_blank'>http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...RTS04/109230106</a> :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Rumor? Bro, until you have some hard evidence that Ole Miss did back out of playing anybody, for whatever reason, then come back and post that tripe. Until then, nice try. :wave:
I can guarantee you whichever SEC team backed out of playing NIU did not do it because of fear, trust me. Money is almost always the biggest factor. And the MAC cannot compete in that category either. Think before you post that garbage. :stupid:

Maryland tried to back out of playing at Northern Illinois *before* this season after seeing how good the Huskies were last year. Coach Novak is on record as saying that.

Plenty of teams are chicken to play the MAC -- including all of Conference USA. Watch this Miami-Cincinnati game carefully this weekend, because it is the only MAC-Conference USA regular season game.

Can't blame them. The MAC has been ripping Conference USA to shreds, for the most part.

There is no doubt in my mind that all kinds of BCS teams fear the MAC.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:

Quote:Still, taken together, you can't convince me that Bowling Green would not "compete" (whatever that means) in a BCS league right now. The Falcons totally ripped Kansas and Missouri to shreds last year, and Purdue looks like one of the Big Ten's four best teams right now.

Kansas and Missouri, eh? Congratulations. You and most everyone but Baylor and Vandy could do that.

Indiana and Northwestern certainly couldn't.

IU and N'Wstrn are horrible.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:

cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:

Quote:Still, taken together, you can't convince me that Bowling Green would not "compete" (whatever that means) in a BCS league right now. The Falcons totally ripped Kansas and Missouri to shreds last year, and Purdue looks like one of the Big Ten's four best teams right now.

Kansas and Missouri, eh? Congratulations. You and most everyone but Baylor and Vandy could do that.

Indiana and Northwestern certainly couldn't.

IU and N'Wstrn are horrible.

That's my point. The Falcons would rip those teams to shreds.

Wow.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

TJRocket Wrote:Bite me :snore:&nbsp; :wave:

LOL!!!!

Nice comeback. I'm sure it took you a while to come up with that one.

Like 10MAN said, 12 is giving you too much credit.


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I'm only 7, what kinda comeback were you looking for??? :rolleyes:

I know we don't fear MAC teams. Hell... we signed up for 2 years of Texas followed by 2 years of Southern Cal. No one can say we're chicken.

And we've played a lot of good mid-majors in our time... Boise State the latest...they went 11-1 last year and beat Iowa State like a drum with Seneca Wallace at QB for the Cyclones (lost to us 41-14 though). We played UCF 2 years ago. If you want us, bring it.

I also would think that if it's any SEC school that cancelled out, it's Miss. State for obvious reasons. Arkansas though won't give a home and home to any school whose home stadium is smaller than the smallest SEC stadium (aka, if you want a home-and-home with us, you gotta have a stadium over 41,600...that's Vandy's stadium seating). TCU, at 46,000, is the school with the smallest stadium to get a home and home out of Arkansas (in 2008-09).

If that holds true, according to nationalchamps.net, which has stadium attendance figures for all 1-A schools, only Central Florida could host a home and home with the Razorbacks.

That's what I also mean about building up your stadiums.....not only for $$$, but it's gonna get harder for the big schools to play home and homes with MAC teams with stadiums that small.

WPS

calling_the_hogs Wrote:and that's where your problem is. Bowls are political. Big fan bases count for something.

Oh well. We will just have to schedule the teams during the regular season and beat them because we are just as talented.