pdlglm Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:

Easterwood Wrote:Cal loves Tyler's ability,told me himself after an AAU game, went on to say that Tyler should play in the NBA one day. Tyler Smith has freakish ability. If he was here he would play and most likely start. He didn't get bad because he went to UT.

Memphis

G Derrick Rose
G Chris Douglas-Roberts
G Antonio Anderson
F Robert Dozier
F Joey Dorsey

UTLofton

G Ramar Smith
G Chris Lofton
F JaJuan Smith
F Tyler Smith
C Wayne Chism

i like our starters in that match-up...plus i like our depth better...we simply have to keep Lofton in check.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Should be one heck of a game, between what could be two of the best teams in the country. Rose should be getting his sea legs by then and UM is certainly deep. UT has more depth than you might think this year as well: Prince, Crews, Childress, Howell, Tabb, Tatum and the new big kid, Williams. Good times for Tennessee and Memphis basketball which makes for a good rivalry. I think UM will be favored and Pearl won't be able to place as much emotional emphasis on this game in the middle of the SEC schedule, but I still think UT pulls this one out. Just a gut feeling.

I'm glad to see UM has scheduled Gonzaga and UT in January and February. At least the tigers will play 1 quality team in each of the months leading up to tourney time.

Not that the UM schedule is near as bad as it usually is. Great home schedule this year, can't wait to get tickets

All in all, this is a pretty dumb post. We have AA, Mack, and Kemp coming off the bench, along with former top 30 Taggart and #36 Robinson. All are proven D1 players.

Why would anyone even bring up Prince? The guy is a headcase that doesn't work hard and averages 2 points per game. Crews is a starter so bringing him into the discussion about depth is dumb. Tatum is a fringe top 100 player. He might help. Williams is a fat poor man's Niles who wasn't ranked in the top 150 of any services.

Howell and Tabb averaged less than 7 points per game combined. They are barely D1 players. Mack, Kemp, and AA all averaged around as many points as they did combined.

Let's recap. UTLofton's depth consists of a fringe top 100 player, a player not ranked in the top 150, two talentless role players and JP Prince; the empty suit with no game.

Let's move on to the schedule. The $EC is going to suck this year. Who will be good? Kensucky? Nope. Arkansuck? Maybe. Bama? Yawn. Everyone else will be ok but not great. We will be more tested than UTLofton by the time tournament time comes along.

Using this information you feel that a team that went 3-7 on the road will beat the top ranked team in the country that has lost exactly 1 home game in the last two seasons.

Like I said, that was a mostly dumb post.

Stammers Wrote:

pdlglm Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:

Easterwood Wrote:Cal loves Tyler's ability,told me himself after an AAU game, went on to say that Tyler should play in the NBA one day. Tyler Smith has freakish ability. If he was here he would play and most likely start. He didn't get bad because he went to UT.

Memphis

G Derrick Rose
G Chris Douglas-Roberts
G Antonio Anderson
F Robert Dozier
F Joey Dorsey

UTLofton

G Ramar Smith
G Chris Lofton
F JaJuan Smith
F Tyler Smith
C Wayne Chism

i like our starters in that match-up...plus i like our depth better...we simply have to keep Lofton in check.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Should be one heck of a game, between what could be two of the best teams in the country. Rose should be getting his sea legs by then and UM is certainly deep. UT has more depth than you might think this year as well: Prince, Crews, Childress, Howell, Tabb, Tatum and the new big kid, Williams. Good times for Tennessee and Memphis basketball which makes for a good rivalry. I think UM will be favored and Pearl won't be able to place as much emotional emphasis on this game in the middle of the SEC schedule, but I still think UT pulls this one out. Just a gut feeling.

I'm glad to see UM has scheduled Gonzaga and UT in January and February. At least the tigers will play 1 quality team in each of the months leading up to tourney time.

Not that the UM schedule is near as bad as it usually is. Great home schedule this year, can't wait to get tickets

All in all, this is a pretty dumb post. We have AA, Mack, and Kemp coming off the bench, along with former top 30 Taggart and #36 Robinson. All are proven D1 players.

Why would anyone even bring up Prince? The guy is a headcase that doesn't work hard and averages 2 points per game. Crews is a starter so bringing him into the discussion about depth is dumb. Tatum is a fringe top 100 player. He might help. Williams is a fat poor man's Niles who wasn't ranked in the top 150 of any services.

Howell and Tabb averaged less than 7 points per game combined. They are barely D1 players. Mack, Kemp, and AA all averaged around as many points as they did combined.

Let's recap. UTLofton's depth consists of a fringe top 100 player, a player not ranked in the top 150, two talentless role players and JP Prince; the empty suit with no game.

Let's move on to the schedule. The $EC is going to suck this year. Who will be good? Kensucky? Nope. Arkansuck? Maybe. Bama? Yawn. Everyone else will be ok but not great. We will be more tested than UTLofton by the time tournament time comes along.

Using this information you feel that a team that went 3-7 on the road will beat the top ranked team in the country that has lost exactly 1 home game in the last two seasons.

Like I said, that was a mostly dumb post.

Two questions: 1) Why call the post dumb- the guy was simply stating his opinion; and, while I tend to come down on your side of the depth argument, make no mistake that Tennessee will be very talented and this is a rivalry game. 2) Why and how do you figure Robinson as a proven D1 player?

Stammers Wrote:

pdlglm Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:

Easterwood Wrote:Cal loves Tyler's ability,told me himself after an AAU game, went on to say that Tyler should play in the NBA one day. Tyler Smith has freakish ability. If he was here he would play and most likely start. He didn't get bad because he went to UT.

Memphis

G Derrick Rose
G Chris Douglas-Roberts
G Antonio Anderson
F Robert Dozier
F Joey Dorsey

UTLofton

G Ramar Smith
G Chris Lofton
F JaJuan Smith
F Tyler Smith
C Wayne Chism

i like our starters in that match-up...plus i like our depth better...we simply have to keep Lofton in check.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Should be one heck of a game, between what could be two of the best teams in the country. Rose should be getting his sea legs by then and UM is certainly deep. UT has more depth than you might think this year as well: Prince, Crews, Childress, Howell, Tabb, Tatum and the new big kid, Williams. Good times for Tennessee and Memphis basketball which makes for a good rivalry. I think UM will be favored and Pearl won't be able to place as much emotional emphasis on this game in the middle of the SEC schedule, but I still think UT pulls this one out. Just a gut feeling.

I'm glad to see UM has scheduled Gonzaga and UT in January and February. At least the tigers will play 1 quality team in each of the months leading up to tourney time.

Not that the UM schedule is near as bad as it usually is. Great home schedule this year, can't wait to get tickets

All in all, this is a pretty dumb post. We have AA, Mack, and Kemp coming off the bench, along with former top 30 Taggart and #36 Robinson. All are proven D1 players.

Why would anyone even bring up Prince? The guy is a headcase that doesn't work hard and averages 2 points per game. Crews is a starter so bringing him into the discussion about depth is dumb. Tatum is a fringe top 100 player. He might help. Williams is a fat poor man's Niles who wasn't ranked in the top 150 of any services.

Howell and Tabb averaged less than 7 points per game combined. They are barely D1 players. Mack, Kemp, and AA all averaged around as many points as they did combined.

Let's recap. UTLofton's depth consists of a fringe top 100 player, a player not ranked in the top 150, two talentless role players and JP Prince; the empty suit with no game.

Let's move on to the schedule. The $EC is going to suck this year. Who will be good? Kensucky? Nope. Arkansuck? Maybe. Bama? Yawn. Everyone else will be ok but not great. We will be more tested than UTLofton by the time tournament time comes along.

Using this information you feel that a team that went 3-7 on the road will beat the top ranked team in the country that has lost exactly 1 home game in the last two seasons.

Like I said, that was a mostly dumb post.

As to the schedule, all I said was that UM might actually play a decent one this year. They certainly haven't the past two. Don't take my word for it, take Ken Pomeroy's:

06 SOS
UT 8
UM 79

07 SOS
UT 12
UM 96

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not true. But this year, I think UM should move into the top 50 in the SOS - assuming CUSA can move some teams out of the 200 RPI.

As to the depth I never said that I thought UT was as deep as UM, but there will be more depth on UT's bench than there was when they beat UM by 18. I think you will find that Chism, Crews and Ramar Smith aren't the same players the tigers faced last November either. The thing Tyler should do is make it very hard for teams to cheat on C-Lo.

But still, I understand that alot of you folks, especially Stammers, have a blind spot where UT is concerned - you would fit in great over at Catspause. Hoopsville has a couple of folks who are that way about UM.

I think Memphis will be as good as anyone in the nation next year especially if Rose lives up to the hype, but so will UT. And as long as #5 is on the court UT can beat any team in college basketball.

i could care less how KenPom ranks our schedule...

1 thing matters...

Memphis
2006 - #1 seed
2007 - #2 seed

UTLofton
2006 - #2 seed
2007 - #5 seed

the WHOLE point of the regular season is to get a good NCAA seed...playing an overly tough schedule isn't always conducive to getting a high seed...it sure didn't help UT last year.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Champico35 Wrote:

Stammers Wrote:

pdlglm Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:

Easterwood Wrote:Cal loves Tyler's ability,told me himself after an AAU game, went on to say that Tyler should play in the NBA one day. Tyler Smith has freakish ability. If he was here he would play and most likely start. He didn't get bad because he went to UT.

Memphis

G Derrick Rose
G Chris Douglas-Roberts
G Antonio Anderson
F Robert Dozier
F Joey Dorsey

UTLofton

G Ramar Smith
G Chris Lofton
F JaJuan Smith
F Tyler Smith
C Wayne Chism

i like our starters in that match-up...plus i like our depth better...we simply have to keep Lofton in check.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Should be one heck of a game, between what could be two of the best teams in the country. Rose should be getting his sea legs by then and UM is certainly deep. UT has more depth than you might think this year as well: Prince, Crews, Childress, Howell, Tabb, Tatum and the new big kid, Williams. Good times for Tennessee and Memphis basketball which makes for a good rivalry. I think UM will be favored and Pearl won't be able to place as much emotional emphasis on this game in the middle of the SEC schedule, but I still think UT pulls this one out. Just a gut feeling.

I'm glad to see UM has scheduled Gonzaga and UT in January and February. At least the tigers will play 1 quality team in each of the months leading up to tourney time.

Not that the UM schedule is near as bad as it usually is. Great home schedule this year, can't wait to get tickets

All in all, this is a pretty dumb post. We have AA, Mack, and Kemp coming off the bench, along with former top 30 Taggart and #36 Robinson. All are proven D1 players.

Why would anyone even bring up Prince? The guy is a headcase that doesn't work hard and averages 2 points per game. Crews is a starter so bringing him into the discussion about depth is dumb. Tatum is a fringe top 100 player. He might help. Williams is a fat poor man's Niles who wasn't ranked in the top 150 of any services.

Howell and Tabb averaged less than 7 points per game combined. They are barely D1 players. Mack, Kemp, and AA all averaged around as many points as they did combined.

Let's recap. UTLofton's depth consists of a fringe top 100 player, a player not ranked in the top 150, two talentless role players and JP Prince; the empty suit with no game.

Let's move on to the schedule. The $EC is going to suck this year. Who will be good? Kensucky? Nope. Arkansuck? Maybe. Bama? Yawn. Everyone else will be ok but not great. We will be more tested than UTLofton by the time tournament time comes along.

Using this information you feel that a team that went 3-7 on the road will beat the top ranked team in the country that has lost exactly 1 home game in the last two seasons.

Like I said, that was a mostly dumb post.

Two questions: 1) Why call the post dumb- the guy was simply stating his opinion; and, while I tend to come down on your side of the depth argument, make no mistake that Tennessee will be very talented and this is a rivalry game. 2) Why and how do you figure Robinson as a proven D1 player?

AA, Mack and Kemp are proven D1 players. I meant that Taggart and Rose are complements, but didn't form the sentence properly. I don't consider Taggart to be a proven D1 player either.

JP Prince 2.2 ppg
Childress 5.6 ppg
Howell 3.9 ppg
Tabb 3.5 ppg

How could anyone make a claim that this equals depth without sounding dumb?

pdlglm Wrote:

Stammers Wrote:

pdlglm Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:

Easterwood Wrote:Cal loves Tyler's ability,told me himself after an AAU game, went on to say that Tyler should play in the NBA one day. Tyler Smith has freakish ability. If he was here he would play and most likely start. He didn't get bad because he went to UT.

Memphis

G Derrick Rose
G Chris Douglas-Roberts
G Antonio Anderson
F Robert Dozier
F Joey Dorsey

UTLofton

G Ramar Smith
G Chris Lofton
F JaJuan Smith
F Tyler Smith
C Wayne Chism

i like our starters in that match-up...plus i like our depth better...we simply have to keep Lofton in check.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Should be one heck of a game, between what could be two of the best teams in the country. Rose should be getting his sea legs by then and UM is certainly deep. UT has more depth than you might think this year as well: Prince, Crews, Childress, Howell, Tabb, Tatum and the new big kid, Williams. Good times for Tennessee and Memphis basketball which makes for a good rivalry. I think UM will be favored and Pearl won't be able to place as much emotional emphasis on this game in the middle of the SEC schedule, but I still think UT pulls this one out. Just a gut feeling.

I'm glad to see UM has scheduled Gonzaga and UT in January and February. At least the tigers will play 1 quality team in each of the months leading up to tourney time.

Not that the UM schedule is near as bad as it usually is. Great home schedule this year, can't wait to get tickets

All in all, this is a pretty dumb post. We have AA, Mack, and Kemp coming off the bench, along with former top 30 Taggart and #36 Robinson. All are proven D1 players.

Why would anyone even bring up Prince? The guy is a headcase that doesn't work hard and averages 2 points per game. Crews is a starter so bringing him into the discussion about depth is dumb. Tatum is a fringe top 100 player. He might help. Williams is a fat poor man's Niles who wasn't ranked in the top 150 of any services.

Howell and Tabb averaged less than 7 points per game combined. They are barely D1 players. Mack, Kemp, and AA all averaged around as many points as they did combined.

Let's recap. UTLofton's depth consists of a fringe top 100 player, a player not ranked in the top 150, two talentless role players and JP Prince; the empty suit with no game.

Let's move on to the schedule. The $EC is going to suck this year. Who will be good? Kensucky? Nope. Arkansuck? Maybe. Bama? Yawn. Everyone else will be ok but not great. We will be more tested than UTLofton by the time tournament time comes along.

Using this information you feel that a team that went 3-7 on the road will beat the top ranked team in the country that has lost exactly 1 home game in the last two seasons.

Like I said, that was a mostly dumb post.

As to the schedule, all I said was that UM might actually play a decent one this year. They certainly haven't the past two. Don't take my word for it, take Ken Pomeroy's:

06 SOS
UT 8
UM 79

07 SOS
UT 12
UM 96

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not true. But this year, I think UM should move into the top 50 in the SOS - assuming CUSA can move some teams out of the 200 RPI.

As to the depth I never said that I thought UT was as deep as UM, but there will be more depth on UT's bench than there was when they beat UM by 18. I think you will find that Chism, Crews and Ramar Smith aren't the same players the tigers faced last November either. The thing Tyler should do is make it very hard for teams to cheat on C-Lo.

But still, I understand that alot of you folks, especially Stammers, have a blind spot where UT is concerned - you would fit in great over at Catspause. Hoopsville has a couple of folks who are that way about UM.

I think Memphis will be as good as anyone in the nation next year especially if Rose lives up to the hype, but so will UT. And as long as #5 is on the court UT can beat any team in college basketball.

You would fit perfectly on Ole Piss' site after you mention 2.2 ppg JP Prince in your depth argument, but whatver; it's your opinion. All of UTLofton's subs are borderline D1 players at best, but don't let that stop you from cheering them on. If you want to bring up nonsensical arguments to back up your 3-7 road team, then that's fine by me.

Good luck next season in the $EC.

While Memphis and Louisville and Cincy had a very diverse basketball team when I was an adolescent, UTK and old mrs. had Joe Dean announcing "strrrrrring music, strrrrrrrrrrrring music. (not too diverse)" Don't forget history. The U of M was a very progressive university in the 60's and 70's.

bostontiger Wrote:While Memphis and Louisville and Cincy had a very diverse basketball team when I was an adolescent, UTK and old mrs. had Joe Dean announcing "strrrrrring music, strrrrrrrrrrrring music. (not too diverse)" Don't forget history. The U of M was a very progressive university in the 60's and 70's.

what are you talking about???

on campus post explanation NOW!

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

No offense guys, but if some of you were scouts for my team, I would fire you. Both Tennessee and Memphis are clearly top 5 teams next year and, possibly, the two most talented teams in the country (Kansas and UNC are also there, or better). The depth of UT is excellent, certainly not made up of margainal D-1 players. The 3-7 road record is not sexy, but it included a lot of very close losses, some without Lofton and to a team with 4 freshman playing key roles. And the Vols have, at least, 4 potential NBA players in Chism, Lofton, R. Smith and T. Smith.

This should be a GREAT game and one that could really draw the attention of the entire country if the two teams start off playing to their potential. I really can't remember a bigger game, potentially, between two Tennessee teams.

As far as the matchups go (to me), I see this:

Rose vs. R. Smith-Tie (possible edge Smith). Two future pros. I'll admit, I've seen relatively little of Rose, but my impressions were very positive of him. However, Smith is a stud as well, very underrated, and, if he can finish a little better than last year, watch out. Smith's one year pushes him into at least a tie, especially since Rose has yet to lace them up for the Tigers.

Douglas-Roberts vs. Lofton-Edge Lofton. I like D-R, but Lofton is the best 2 guard in the country.

T. Smith vs. Anderson-Smith edge. Smith is Tennessee's best pro prospect and will likely head to the NBA in the next year of two. Anderson is talented as well, but, bluntly, Smith is better.

Dozier vs. Chism-Edge Dozier. Chism is a NBA player, but I think he gets a little too cute with the three point shooting and needs better moves in the post. Dozier has him beat in this area and a little tougher as well.

Dorsey vs. Crews-Slight edge Dorsey. Both have had maturity issues, but I like Dorsey's potential better. Of course, I watch UM games and think, "Why isn't this guy dominating?" so, I may have to reserve judgment on this one.

Bench-Tie. Both go about 10 deep with quality players. Both will use them all and RUN.

Anyway, to me, looks about as close as it can get.

^^^

FYI: we know it's going to be a good game...and none of us claim to be pro-scouts...but this is a Memphis board...don't be shocked when we play up Memphis' strengths.

Memphis v. Tennessee is becoming a great basketball rivalry...no matter what happens in this years game, it will only help grow that rivalry.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Unimane Wrote:No offense guys, but if some of you were scouts for my team, I would fire you. Both Tennessee and Memphis are clearly top 5 teams next year and, possibly, the two most talented teams in the country (Kansas and UNC are also there, or better). The depth of UT is excellent, certainly not made up of margainal D-1 players. The 3-7 road record is not sexy, but it included a lot of very close losses, some without Lofton and to a team with 4 freshman playing key roles. And the Vols have, at least, 4 potential NBA players in Chism, Lofton, R. Smith and T. Smith.

This should be a GREAT game and one that could really draw the attention of the entire country if the two teams start off playing to their potential. I really can't remember a bigger game, potentially, between two Tennessee teams.

As far as the matchups go (to me), I see this:

Rose vs. R. Smith-Tie (possible edge Smith). Two future pros. I'll admit, I've seen relatively little of Rose, but my impressions were very positive of him. However, Smith is a stud as well, very underrated, and, if he can finish a little better than last year, watch out. Smith's one year pushes him into at least a tie, especially since Rose has yet to lace them up for the Tigers.

Douglas-Roberts vs. Lofton-Edge Lofton. I like D-R, but Lofton is the best 2 guard in the country.

T. Smith vs. Anderson-Smith edge. Smith is Tennessee's best pro prospect and will likely head to the NBA in the next year of two. Anderson is talented as well, but, bluntly, Smith is better.

Dozier vs. Chism-Edge Dozier. Chism is a NBA player, but I think he gets a little too cute with the three point shooting and needs better moves in the post. Dozier has him beat in this area and a little tougher as well.

Dorsey vs. Crews-Slight edge Dorsey. Both have had maturity issues, but I like Dorsey's potential better. Of course, I watch UM games and think, "Why isn't this guy dominating?" so, I may have to reserve judgment on this one.

Bench-Tie. Both go about 10 deep with quality players. Both will use them all and RUN.

Anyway, to me, looks about as close as it can get.

The two major advantages from last year were playing at home, and us playing our first road game, and 4th game in 8 days. You were lucky to have everything line up your way. That won't be the case this year.

Both teams run 10 deep but after you get past your first 6 the rest of your team isn't any good. I'm pretty sure that any scout or any 8 year old with a decent pair of eyes could tell you this. You have a nice team but Sweathog won't have a point guard or true big man again this year. Your bench tie statement is as dumb as dumb gets. You have 6 players. Your 7 through 10 scored 14.8 ppg. Ours scored 30 ppg. Not exactly even, unless you're an orange loving incubus.

One of the other posters tried to tell us that that unranked fat kid that you signed was going to help. That was pretty funny.

In fact, your entire post was funny. We were the better team the last two years; went deeper in the tourney than you did and are ranked higher than you are this year. Despite being the luckiest team the last two years (Lofton not getting called for a travel in your opening game 2 years ago, and Singletary spraining his ankle to let you off the hook last year) you still couldn't make it past the Sweet 16.

Somehow you translate this nonsense into your crappy 3-7 road team coming into FEF where we are 39-1 over the last two years and beating us. Every single UTLofton poster that has come onto this board has been a complete tool. You are no exception.

Stammers Wrote:

Unimane Wrote:No offense guys, but if some of you were scouts for my team, I would fire you. Both Tennessee and Memphis are clearly top 5 teams next year and, possibly, the two most talented teams in the country (Kansas and UNC are also there, or better). The depth of UT is excellent, certainly not made up of margainal D-1 players. The 3-7 road record is not sexy, but it included a lot of very close losses, some without Lofton and to a team with 4 freshman playing key roles. And the Vols have, at least, 4 potential NBA players in Chism, Lofton, R. Smith and T. Smith.

This should be a GREAT game and one that could really draw the attention of the entire country if the two teams start off playing to their potential. I really can't remember a bigger game, potentially, between two Tennessee teams.

As far as the matchups go (to me), I see this:

Rose vs. R. Smith-Tie (possible edge Smith). Two future pros. I'll admit, I've seen relatively little of Rose, but my impressions were very positive of him. However, Smith is a stud as well, very underrated, and, if he can finish a little better than last year, watch out. Smith's one year pushes him into at least a tie, especially since Rose has yet to lace them up for the Tigers.

Douglas-Roberts vs. Lofton-Edge Lofton. I like D-R, but Lofton is the best 2 guard in the country.

T. Smith vs. Anderson-Smith edge. Smith is Tennessee's best pro prospect and will likely head to the NBA in the next year of two. Anderson is talented as well, but, bluntly, Smith is better.

Dozier vs. Chism-Edge Dozier. Chism is a NBA player, but I think he gets a little too cute with the three point shooting and needs better moves in the post. Dozier has him beat in this area and a little tougher as well.

Dorsey vs. Crews-Slight edge Dorsey. Both have had maturity issues, but I like Dorsey's potential better. Of course, I watch UM games and think, "Why isn't this guy dominating?" so, I may have to reserve judgment on this one.

Bench-Tie. Both go about 10 deep with quality players. Both will use them all and RUN.

Anyway, to me, looks about as close as it can get.

The two major advantages from last year were playing at home, and us playing our first road game, and 4th game in 8 days. You were lucky to have everything line up your way. That won't be the case this year.

Both teams run 10 deep but after you get past your first 6 the rest of your team isn't any good. I'm pretty sure that any scout or any 8 year old with a decent pair of eyes could tell you this. You have a nice team but Sweathog won't have a point guard or true big man again this year. Your bench tie statement is as dumb as dumb gets. You have 6 players. Your 7 through 10 scored 14.8 ppg. Ours scored 30 ppg. Not exactly even, unless you're an orange loving incubus.

One of the other posters tried to tell us that that unranked fat kid that you signed was going to help. That was pretty funny.

In fact, your entire post was funny. We were the better team the last two years; went deeper in the tourney than you did and are ranked higher than you are this year. Despite being the luckiest team the last two years (Lofton not getting called for a travel in your opening game 2 years ago, and Singletary spraining his ankle to let you off the hook last year) you still couldn't make it past the Sweet 16.

Somehow you translate this nonsense into your crappy 3-7 road team coming into FEF where we are 39-1 over the last two years and beating us. Every single UTLofton poster that has come onto this board has been a complete tool. You are no exception.

I also found humor in the part where he compares players to try to give the edge to ut.

A) CDR may be a 2 guard, but he basically plays the 3 and Anderson the 2 in our line-up. Even with his distorted view, and using his logic with his crazy Rose/r.smith tie senerio, CDR would have the edge over t.smith. While lofton may get the edge based on his offensive skills, Anderson is the defensive stopper who will get that assignment.

B) 4 future NBA players huh? Calling r.smith or chism a future NBA players with one season under their belt and modest numbers is insane. Just because you were a top 100 HS talent and start for a Div. 1 college team as a freshman doesn't mean you go to the NBA. It doesn't work that way. Maybe they will make it, maybe they won't, but the same can be said of damn near every player on our team. CDR, Dozier, Dorsey and Rose at a minimum are our NBA prospects, and an arguement can be made that Mack, Robinson, Anderson and Taggart could reach that level as well before they finish their eligiblity. In fact let's take a look at NBADraft.net's mock draft rankings for 2008:

Round 1, #1 overall pick - Rose
Round 2, #41 overall pick - Dorsey
Round 2, #43 overall pick - lofton

Not enough, let's look at the class of 2009 ranking from the same website:

#9 - CDR
#23 - Dozier
#25 - Anderson

Then if you go as far as the class of 2010 rankings you'll find this

#35 - chism

I looked and looked for r.smith, t.smith, howell, crews, j.smith and prince, but I couldn't find them listed anywhere. So, by NBADraft.net's standards, at this point, that's 5 at Memphis and 2 at ut, aka 4 FIRST rounders at Memphis, ZERO at ut. ZERO?!?!? I guess the experts haven't been clued into all the NBA talent the sweathog has. Very interesting indeed.

Where did I say we would beat you all? I merely said you are not being realistic with your observations. The whole "firing you" comment was tongue in cheek. And, if you really think it will that easy, you are whistling past the graveyard, this is an excellent UT team. I would address more, but I have to head out. I'll try and say more later (and I'm hardly a tool).

Entire UT team 43- One tiny Cal 176. Da Tigers!!

SpiderMan79x Wrote:

Stammers Wrote:

Unimane Wrote:No offense guys, but if some of you were scouts for my team, I would fire you. Both Tennessee and Memphis are clearly top 5 teams next year and, possibly, the two most talented teams in the country (Kansas and UNC are also there, or better). The depth of UT is excellent, certainly not made up of margainal D-1 players. The 3-7 road record is not sexy, but it included a lot of very close losses, some without Lofton and to a team with 4 freshman playing key roles. And the Vols have, at least, 4 potential NBA players in Chism, Lofton, R. Smith and T. Smith.

This should be a GREAT game and one that could really draw the attention of the entire country if the two teams start off playing to their potential. I really can't remember a bigger game, potentially, between two Tennessee teams.

As far as the matchups go (to me), I see this:

Rose vs. R. Smith-Tie (possible edge Smith). Two future pros. I'll admit, I've seen relatively little of Rose, but my impressions were very positive of him. However, Smith is a stud as well, very underrated, and, if he can finish a little better than last year, watch out. Smith's one year pushes him into at least a tie, especially since Rose has yet to lace them up for the Tigers.

Douglas-Roberts vs. Lofton-Edge Lofton. I like D-R, but Lofton is the best 2 guard in the country.

T. Smith vs. Anderson-Smith edge. Smith is Tennessee's best pro prospect and will likely head to the NBA in the next year of two. Anderson is talented as well, but, bluntly, Smith is better.

Dozier vs. Chism-Edge Dozier. Chism is a NBA player, but I think he gets a little too cute with the three point shooting and needs better moves in the post. Dozier has him beat in this area and a little tougher as well.

Dorsey vs. Crews-Slight edge Dorsey. Both have had maturity issues, but I like Dorsey's potential better. Of course, I watch UM games and think, "Why isn't this guy dominating?" so, I may have to reserve judgment on this one.

Bench-Tie. Both go about 10 deep with quality players. Both will use them all and RUN.

Anyway, to me, looks about as close as it can get.

The two major advantages from last year were playing at home, and us playing our first road game, and 4th game in 8 days. You were lucky to have everything line up your way. That won't be the case this year.

Both teams run 10 deep but after you get past your first 6 the rest of your team isn't any good. I'm pretty sure that any scout or any 8 year old with a decent pair of eyes could tell you this. You have a nice team but Sweathog won't have a point guard or true big man again this year. Your bench tie statement is as dumb as dumb gets. You have 6 players. Your 7 through 10 scored 14.8 ppg. Ours scored 30 ppg. Not exactly even, unless you're an orange loving incubus.

One of the other posters tried to tell us that that unranked fat kid that you signed was going to help. That was pretty funny.

In fact, your entire post was funny. We were the better team the last two years; went deeper in the tourney than you did and are ranked higher than you are this year. Despite being the luckiest team the last two years (Lofton not getting called for a travel in your opening game 2 years ago, and Singletary spraining his ankle to let you off the hook last year) you still couldn't make it past the Sweet 16.

Somehow you translate this nonsense into your crappy 3-7 road team coming into FEF where we are 39-1 over the last two years and beating us. Every single UTLofton poster that has come onto this board has been a complete tool. You are no exception.

I also found humor in the part where he compares players to try to give the edge to ut.

A) CDR may be a 2 guard, but he basically plays the 3 and Anderson the 2 in our line-up. Even with his distorted view, and using his logic with his crazy Rose/r.smith tie senerio, CDR would have the edge over t.smith. While lofton may get the edge based on his offensive skills, Anderson is the defensive stopper who will get that assignment.

B) 4 future NBA players huh? Calling r.smith or chism a future NBA players with one season under their belt and modest numbers is insane. Just because you were a top 100 HS talent and start for a Div. 1 college team as a freshman doesn't mean you go to the NBA. It doesn't work that way. Maybe they will make it, maybe they won't, but the same can be said of damn near every player on our team. CDR, Dozier, Dorsey and Rose at a minimum are our NBA prospects, and an arguement can be made that Mack, Robinson, Anderson and Taggart could reach that level as well before they finish their eligiblity. In fact let's take a look at NBADraft.net's mock draft rankings for 2008:

Round 1, #1 overall pick - Rose
Round 2, #41 overall pick - Dorsey
Round 2, #43 overall pick - lofton

Not enough, let's look at the class of 2009 ranking from the same website:

#9 - CDR
#23 - Dozier
#25 - Anderson

Then if you go as far as the class of 2010 rankings you'll find this

#35 - chism

I looked and looked for r.smith, t.smith, howell, crews, j.smith and prince, but I couldn't find them listed anywhere. So, by NBADraft.net's standards, at this point, that's 5 at Memphis and 2 at ut, aka 4 FIRST rounders at Memphis, ZERO at ut. ZERO?!?!? I guess the experts haven't been clued into all the NBA talent the sweathog has. Very interesting indeed.

Unimane's talent evaluation skills and scouting network are far more sophisticated and state of the art than anything that we could possibly understand. Clearly, a team that lost 11 games; that only beat Virginia because Singletary sprained his ankle; that has never been past the Sweet 16, was 3-7 on the road; and has no projected first rounders in the next 3 years OBVIOUSLY has more talent than us at every position.

They were 1-6 against on the road against teams that made the tourney with their only win being against lucky to make the tournament Arkansuck. Most were blowouts with the average margin of defeat being 9 points.

That was a great post. Sadly, it won't shut up Unimane and the other imbeciles that can't stay away from here.

Where is the depth? Memphis legitimately goes nine deep, while UT only goes five deep. Outside of Lofton, UT has nothing.

Memphis wins this one going away.

I don't think I've qualified as an imbecile (yet). I thought I posted a fairly informed response, you all seem to be putting a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say (or that you feel Vol fans have collectively said). But, anyway, to address some things as a matter of a good debate, I will make these points. One, UT's road record may have been 3-7, but, as I said, that included 1-2 point losses to both Ohio St. and Vandy as well as a number of losses without Lofton and playing 4 true freshman among the top 8. You could see marked improvement over the course of the season as we finished very strong. That can be said for our very young team last year, who learned to be less reliant on Lofton in February and March. And, YES, the depth is there. Childress provides solid minutes off the bench and can hit from outside (ask Ohio State), Tabb is a fantastic defender who has great intagibles, Prince is someone that can drive and finish as well as any 6-9 player, Howell is an excellent 3 point shooter and Cam Tatum ewill provide great athleticism and a nice shot as well. I'm not sold on Williams, though.

The NBA mock draft is for fun and will change once the play starts for this year. I remember Noah going from a nobody to #1 potential in one year. I have been fortunate enough to see the improvement in some of those guys and it doesn't take any kind of genius to see the NBA player in Tyler Smith, for sure, and likely Chism and Ramar Smith. And, on the subject of Ramar, didn't anyone pay attention to his play the last two months of the season once he got used to playing the point? Oh, and I never said that we had advantages at every position. In fact, it looks pretty equal to me.

Also, yes, we made the Sweet 16 and you the Elite 8, but you all realize that we both lost to the same team, right? It stands to reason if our paths had been switched we would have been the Elite 8 team. Plus, it's a matter of one level, so I'm not sure why this is such a great argument on behalf of the Tigers.

Anyway, sorry I can't agree that you all will smoke us this year, but it does lead to some interesting debate. But, I will reiterate that you all would be greatly mistaken to think we are not a serious threat to win in Memphis. Not trying to mock your board, just sayin'.

Unimane Wrote:No offense guys, but if some of you were scouts for my team, I would fire you. Both Tennessee and Memphis are clearly top 5 teams next year and, possibly, the two most talented teams in the country (Kansas and UNC are also there, or better). The depth of UT is excellent, certainly not made up of margainal D-1 players. The 3-7 road record is not sexy, but it included a lot of very close losses, some without Lofton and to a team with 4 freshman playing key roles. And the Vols have, at least, 4 potential NBA players in Chism, Lofton, R. Smith and T. Smith.

This should be a GREAT game and one that could really draw the attention of the entire country if the two teams start off playing to their potential. I really can't remember a bigger game, potentially, between two Tennessee teams.

As far as the matchups go (to me), I see this:

Rose vs. R. Smith-Tie (possible edge Smith). Two future pros. I'll admit, I've seen relatively little of Rose, but my impressions were very positive of him. However, Smith is a stud as well, very underrated, and, if he can finish a little better than last year, watch out. Smith's one year pushes him into at least a tie, especially since Rose has yet to lace them up for the Tigers.

Douglas-Roberts vs. Lofton-Edge Lofton. I like D-R, but Lofton is the best 2 guard in the country.

T. Smith vs. Anderson-Smith edge. Smith is Tennessee's best pro prospect and will likely head to the NBA in the next year of two. Anderson is talented as well, but, bluntly, Smith is better.

Dozier vs. Chism-Edge Dozier. Chism is a NBA player, but I think he gets a little too cute with the three point shooting and needs better moves in the post. Dozier has him beat in this area and a little tougher as well.

Dorsey vs. Crews-Slight edge Dorsey. Both have had maturity issues, but I like Dorsey's potential better. Of course, I watch UM games and think, "Why isn't this guy dominating?" so, I may have to reserve judgment on this one.

Bench-Tie. Both go about 10 deep with quality players. Both will use them all and RUN.

Anyway, to me, looks about as close as it can get.

This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen. Rose and Ramar Smith a tie?? The only way you can call Ramar Smith a future pro is if you count the Serbian league. Chism an NBA player? he's barely 6-7 and he's no Charles Barkley. He's a servicable college big man and thats about it. Lofton is a great shooter but thats about it. He's too streaky and if he's off, UT loses. He's too short to ever be a factor in the NBA or else he'd be in the draft this year. The only possible NBA player is tyler Smith. in a few years h emay see a second round slot. UT will be good, but they're doing it like all programs on their level have to do. Get players that are good college players, but arent the right size for it to translate to the NBA. It's typical for mid major quality programs trying to brek through. As for Depth, Kemp, Mack, Taggart, Niles, and Robinson were all top 50 players in high school, Allen was 2 time mr basketball.. everyone on our bench would start at UT

Unimane Wrote:Prince is someone that can drive and finish as well as any 6-9 player, just sayin'.

Quote:#0 J.P. Prince | G

Full Name: J.P. Prince
Birth Place: Memphis, TN
Height: 6-6
Weight: 180 lbs. Position: Guard
Class: Sophomore

PPG 1.0 | APG 1.0 | RPG .7

Did he suddenly grow 3 inches? Just sayin'. LOL

From his Arizona playing days:

Quote: The right answer for Prince is to find himself a new place to play.

Prince's weaknesses are glaring. It's possible he's afraid of his right hand all together, refusing to dribble in that direction as if the Great Wall is in his way.

It's also possible he thinks his jump shot has a chance to hit the McKale Center roof because his trajectory is similar to one of Ted Williams' line drive base hits to center field.

"His defense needs to improve � he needs to really work harder at the little things," said Arizona head coach Lute Olson at the end of the season.

Arizona freshman guard J.P. Prince has the ball knocked away by Oregon State sophomore forward Sasa Cuic during the second half of Arizona's 75-65 loss at Oregon State Jan. 12. in Corvallis, Ore. Prince , who will be a sophomore in the fall, will have to compete for playing time with returning senior Mustafa Shakur, junior Daniel Dillion, freshman Marcus Williams, and incoming freshman Nic Wise.

Unimane Wrote:I don't think I've qualified as an imbecile (yet). I thought I posted a fairly informed response, you all seem to be putting a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say (or that you feel Vol fans have collectively said). But, anyway, to address some things as a matter of a good debate, I will make these points. One, UT's road record may have been 3-7, but, as I said, that included 1-2 point losses to both Ohio St. and Vandy as well as a number of losses without Lofton and playing 4 true freshman among the top 8. You could see marked improvement over the course of the season as we finished very strong. That can be said for our very young team last year, who learned to be less reliant on Lofton in February and March. And, YES, the depth is there. Childress provides solid minutes off the bench and can hit from outside (ask Ohio State), Tabb is a fantastic defender who has great intagibles, Prince is someone that can drive and finish as well as any 6-9 player, Howell is an excellent 3 point shooter and Cam Tatum ewill provide great athleticism and a nice shot as well. I'm not sold on Williams, though.

The NBA mock draft is for fun and will change once the play starts for this year. I remember Noah going from a nobody to #1 potential in one year. I have been fortunate enough to see the improvement in some of those guys and it doesn't take any kind of genius to see the NBA player in Tyler Smith, for sure, and likely Chism and Ramar Smith. And, on the subject of Ramar, didn't anyone pay attention to his play the last two months of the season once he got used to playing the point? Oh, and I never said that we had advantages at every position. In fact, it looks pretty equal to me.

Also, yes, we made the Sweet 16 and you the Elite 8, but you all realize that we both lost to the same team, right? It stands to reason if our paths had been switched we would have been the Elite 8 team. Plus, it's a matter of one level, so I'm not sure why this is such a great argument on behalf of the Tigers.

Anyway, sorry I can't agree that you all will smoke us this year, but it does lead to some interesting debate. But, I will reiterate that you all would be greatly mistaken to think we are not a serious threat to win in Memphis. Not trying to mock your board, just sayin'.

UT last year would not have beaten A&M in Texas. Sorry, nice try, you guys were a crap road team.