Tripster Wrote:All the people who blindly voted this man in for Vapid Reasons will NOW BE the Fooled and Hoodwinked and will riot in the streets.

Doubt that would happen Trip. If his citizenship is bogus it will be locked up just like the all the Kennedy assassination stuff only to be released after everyone who was alive at the time is finally dead leaving no one left to care. I would imagine by that time there will be people who will swear they saw Obama rise from the dead and witnessed the Lord offering him the only full partnership he's ever handed out.

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Purina Power - - you must be eating your Purina Chow with the Melamine Laced Niblets in it from China.

I have NOT said one thing against Obama in a Political Way .... I SAID and I fooking QUOTE: "I don't care if the man is a Shape Shifting Blue Green Martian as long as he a Legally Born United States Citizen" .. UN-Fooking-QUOTE.

GEEZE-US MAN !!!!! Lyndon Larouche ran for President for 500 Hundred Years and he WAS HATCHED somewhere over the Moon.

There is this silly thing about Obama's Wife being in a Racist Rant on Video and calling Bill Clinton "Whitey" and slurring White People altogether, of Which Her Husband is HALF OF by-the-way .... so what does she call him ... "BLAAAWHITEY".

I have not seen this Video and I don't believe it exist or we would ALL have it downloaded by now ... do I think she is a *****, YES, do I put this past her, NO ... do I really care that she is a Racist, NO. She is about one Butt Ugly woman and it ain't got jack to with her Skin Color.

Your Type ran Richard Nixon into the Ground and then STUCK UP for Bill Clinton while he was GETTING PAID and while IN THE OVAL OFFICE GETTING PAID, to Stick a Cigar up "THAT WOMAN, MS. LEWINSKY's Coot Shute", and then totally lied to Federal Authorities about it WHILE UNDER OATH !!!! They would still be digging the hole under the Prison to put me in if I did that.

AS I HAVE SAID !!!!!! If this is not true, then LEAVE THE MAN ALONE - - BUT - - If it IS TRUE, kick his ass the same way other Politicians and even Presidents have had their asses kicked.

He won the Office Fair and Square if he IS a LEGALLY BORN UNITED STATES CITIZEN and I am not looking for SMOKING GUNS and SHYTE .... I only want the TRUTH of which WE DO NOT HAVE.

YOU SAY WE DO ..... WELL BY GOD, PRODUCE IT Purina Power !!!!!!! You are Obama's Corner Man and an Expert on Obama Birth Records from 50 YEARS AGO ......

"JUST SHOW ME THE MONEY" since you have it all !!!!!!!!!! That is all you gotta do man !!!!!!

And no, this has not been settled yet and will be heard in front of the SCOTUS as more and more information that is unclear rolls in .... SOMEONE is going to have to honestly and Un-biasly get the REAL Documents to the SCOTUS along with ALL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS or we may as well Exhume Richard Nixon and Un-Impeach Him for the 18 Minutes of missing Audio on the Oval Office Recorder Tape, and Exonerate him Posthumously for Watergate.

This is Ridicules that this much Negative Information is out there regarding this Birth Status and Liberals and Conservatives are just Whistling While they Work as if NOTHING IS WRONG ... WELL UNTIL we have and are shown ABSOLUTE PROOF ..... there is a HELL OF A LOT WRONG.

If he was running for Dog Catcher of BFE Cuba, I would not give a rats ass, but he is the MOST POWERFUL MAN ON EARTH in that OVAL OFFICE and by damn I want him to be as Clean as He can be so MY COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE ANOTHER BILL CLINTON CIGAR SPERM DRESS IDIOTIC MESS TO CLEAN UP AFTER ..... India has been ATTACKED and VERY SUCCESSFULLY ATTACKED ...... IF OBAMA IS NOT 100000% Clean AND I mean SQUEAKY, WE HAVE BECOME THAT MUCH WEAKER IN THE WORLD and WE CAN NOT AFFORD THAT REP RIGHT NOW.

REPULICAN OR DEMOCRAT, it matters NOT ..... either get this settled before January 20th, or EAT SHYTE WHEN IT BLOWS UP IN YOUR FACE for the next 4 Years and Beyond.

And you make it sound like you have to Produce DNA to run for State Congress or run for Federal Congress .... all the man had to do was be breathing AND I HAVE SEEN ELECTIONS WHERE THEY WOULD RUN A "DEAD GUY" on the Ballot !!!!!! So if you are that Gullible, then it is all you baby ... all you .....

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Tripster Wrote:.

Purina Power - - you must be eating your Purina Chow with the Melamine Laced Niblets in it from China.

I have NOT said one thing against Obama in a Political Way .... I SAID and I fooking QUOTE: "I don't care if the man is a Shape Shifting Blue Green Martian as long as he a Legally Born United States Citizen" .. UN-Fooking-QUOTE.

Perhaps that's the problem. You'd much rather take the low road and attack him personally (or attempt to) than take issue with his political ideas and discuss those. It's much easier to throw up slander and hope something sticks and is perpetuated in political circles.

Quote:Your Type ran Richard Nixon into the Ground and then STUCK UP for Bill Clinton while he was GETTING PAID and while IN THE OVAL OFFICE GETTING PAID, to Stick a Cigar up "THAT WOMAN, MS. LEWINSKY's Coot Shute", and then totally lied to Federal Authorities about it WHILE UNDER OATH !!!! They would still be digging the hole under the Prison to put me in if I did that.

My type? I have a type? Richard Nixon deserved to be kicked out of office and to equate his crimes to those of Bill Clinton, while his were still illegal, is a stretch at best. You might want to check your "bias barometer".

Quote:AS I HAVE SAID !!!!!! If this is not true, then LEAVE THE MAN ALONE - - BUT - - If it IS TRUE, kick his ass the same way other Politicians and even Presidents have had their asses kicked.

He won the Office Fair and Square if he IS a LEGALLY BORN UNITED STATES CITIZEN and I am not looking for SMOKING GUNS and SHYTE .... I only want the TRUTH of which WE DO NOT HAVE.

YOU SAY WE DO ..... WELL BY GOD, PRODUCE IT Purina Power !!!!!!! You are Obama's Corner Man and an Expert on Obama Birth Records from 50 YEARS AGO ......

"JUST SHOW ME THE MONEY" since you have it all !!!!!!!!!! That is all you gotta do man !!!!!!

I've already linked to multiple sources accounting that he is a legal citizen of the United States, was born in Hawaii, and even linked to a scanned image of his birth certificate. If you're wanting me to get my hands on the original and mail it to you, you're being ridiculous. What more do you want? Do you want him to get up in front of a podium to quell this rumor by holding his birth certificate up for all to see and passing it around the nation? Home movie of his birth? Pictures? Interviews with eyewitnesses? Time travel so you can witness his birth?

Quote:And no, this has not been settled yet and will be heard in front of the SCOTUS as more and more information that is unclear rolls in .... SOMEONE is going to have to honestly and Un-biasly get the REAL Documents to the SCOTUS along with ALL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS or we may as well Exhume Richard Nixon and Un-Impeach Him for the 18 Minutes of missing Audio on the Oval Office Recorder Tape, and Exonerate him Posthumously for Watergate.

This is Ridicules that this much Negative Information is out there regarding this Birth Status and Liberals and Conservatives are just Whistling While they Work as if NOTHING IS WRONG ... WELL UNTIL we have and are shown ABSOLUTE PROOF ..... there is a HELL OF A LOT WRONG.

If you're so interested in proving Richard Nixon innocent, perhaps you should take up the case. Or if you're trying to argue that using your executive powers to spy on your political opponents is a harmless crime, you may not find many who agree with you.

In this wonderful justice system we have the burden of proof is always placed on the accuser, so if you have evidence beyond nutjob YouTube videos that show Barack Obama was born abroad, please share. I'd be interested to see it.

Quote:If he was running for Dog Catcher of BFE Cuba, I would not give a rats ass, but he is the MOST POWERFUL MAN ON EARTH in that OVAL OFFICE and by damn I want him to be as Clean as He can be so MY COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE ANOTHER BILL CLINTON CIGAR SPERM DRESS IDIOTIC MESS TO CLEAN UP AFTER ..... India has been ATTACKED and VERY SUCCESSFULLY ATTACKED ...... IF OBAMA IS NOT 100000% Clean AND I mean SQUEAKY, WE HAVE BECOME THAT MUCH WEAKER IN THE WORLD and WE CAN NOT AFFORD THAT REP RIGHT NOW.

REPULICAN OR DEMOCRAT, it matters NOT ..... either get this settled before January 20th, or EAT SHYTE WHEN IT BLOWS UP IN YOUR FACE for the next 4 Years and Beyond.

And you make it sound like you have to Produce DNA to run for State Congress or run for Federal Congress .... all the man had to do was be breathing AND I HAVE SEEN ELECTIONS WHERE THEY WOULD RUN A "DEAD GUY" on the Ballot !!!!!! So if you are that Gullible, then it is all you baby ... all you .....

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Let me get this straight, if Barack Obama isn't squeaky clean, because Mumbai, India was attacked by Deccan Muhajideen the US will be weaker? I'm not sure I'm following this logic on this one. Your fearmongering doesn't really work in this situation, at least not with terrorism.

Also, I never said that the government was the one doing this dirt digging on the candidates. If you don't think that their political opponents dig up mounds of dirt to sling at their opponents, you're naive. I find it hard to believe that no one would have uncovered such a loose, easily verifiable lie such as where he was born.

If you want to buy into all of this conspiracy theory and waste your time demanding Obama prove his innocence, that's your decision. This argument, if it can even be called that, isn't worth continuing.

I heard a rumor that John McCain was born to Australian parents & secretly switched at birth. Why won't he produce a DNA test to prove he's a real American? What is he afraid of. Answer the question John.

And I would just like to point out that the claim that Sarah Obama was in the room in Kenya when Barak was born comes from a cell phone interview with a translator and that, except for her initial greeting, her words aren't ever recorded (they are listed as unitelligible in the transcript). That's a quality source right there.

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JH - - here again it is all up to the Person(s) or Group(s) who are telling the Story and are the "Source of the Facts", as to what the guts of the story propagates based on agenda ....

One side of the Theorist Say her conversation is on a bad cell phone connection and no one could understand a word she said .... the "Other" Camp of Theorist say she can Speak Swahili Perfectly and She Was Very Well Understood and Said, not once, but Twice, with pure determination, that her Grandson, Barrack Hussein Obama Jr., was born in her Region of Kenya Africa and she was at the bedside for the Birth ... Close Your Eyes and Throw the Dart and go with which ever Camp the Dart hits closest too .... but I care that this silliness is going on and the Messiah Like Person of Barrack Obama won't simply go get his dadgumm Birth Certificate and Shut the World Up for ever more .... why is that so Impossible ??? And why is this World King Messiah being so Hard Headed and Stubborn about it ???
Does he think it is funny to cost the Federal Court System Millions of Dollars chasing shadows if HE can prove all these "Conspiracy Theorist to be Wrong" in an instant ????

I did not bring the Law Suit, but since the information is Out There Now, it really really makes or Should make one take Pause, at a man who is/was Touted as the "Savior of the World" and pretty much Campaigned on Having an Open Door Policy at the White House to HIS Public (which is a stupid thing anyway), to now be a Hidden, Unapproachable "Regular Human Being" that has shut himself off from the Very World that Cried Rivers of Tears and Went Out and Hugged Some Trees when Obama Won on Nov. 4 - -

I just want the SCOTUS '9' to get their hands on that Birth Certificate along with ALL Other Supporting Documents and be able to Honestly and on Their Sworn Oath, tell me they "Find For and Rule In Favor of Barrack Hussein Obama et al, that He, Mr. Obama, is In Fact, a Legally Born Citizen of the United States of America and has Proven this with overwhelming Proof and with Supporting Documents to Justify such Proof".

When that happens .... the questions go away and Mr. Obama can Hit the Tilda Key(~), Drop the Cheat Console down and go back to "god-mode", where he ties on his Red, White, & Blue Cape and saves the World .... I don't really give a Shyte after that - - he can't affect my guns because I will have bought as many of them as I needed to before he Bans them Permanently to Death and Into the Abyss and I will wait for all the Messiah'ing He can Produce with bated breath - - I may even go out and Hug a Tree or a Bush or a Weed.

That's all .....

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Tripster Wrote:.

JH - - here again it is all up to the Person(s) or Group(s) who are telling the Story and are the "Source of the Facts", as to what the guts of the story propagates based on agenda ....

One side of the Theorist Say her conversation is on a bad cell phone connection and no one could understand a word she said .... the "Other" Camp of Theorist say she can Speak Swahili Perfectly and She Was Very Well Understood and Said, not once, but Twice, with pure determination, that her Grandson, Barrack Hussein Obama Jr., was born in her Region of Kenya Africa and she was at the bedside for the Birth ... Close Your Eyes and Throw the Dart and go with which ever Camp the Dart hits closest too

No, the two camps are not the same. I provided a link (from a conservative site no less) which showed a copy of the transcript that was provided as part of the lawsuit. It clearly states that her responses are unintelligible, with only the words of the "translator" recorded. If you want to find a different source, be my guest.

Absolutely no evidence has been presented to support the allegation that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. None. Berg has no understanding of US citizenship laws (as proven by his claim that Obama could have lost his citizenship while in Indonesia). This is pure silliness. I guess since no one pays attention to the 9-11 Truthers anymore he had to find a new conspiracy.

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OH Purina Power !!!!!! You are one Slick Willie Liberal aren't you ???

You come on here and Scream and Holler that you have all this 'Uncontestable Proof' that Obama is a Legally Born United States Citizen and you do it like one of those Idiots who paint them selves up with Body Paint in the Color of their Ball Team, and go out Half Naked, in 25 Degree Snowing Weather and sit for 3 Hours Freezing to Death to Prove your Loyalty to the Team ... who by the way are Freezing Too and think you are an Idiot for being so Foolish.

Yet for all your Banner Waving, the most you can produce is a Simply Minded Critique of My Post and Others Postings.

SLICK Old Boy - - Bill Clinton could have learned from you babe ... you side step better than Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers (these were actors that also danced very very well).

If this is all you got, it is pretty sad .... at least I give you Heart, Soul, and Passion for my Reasoning and all I get from you is a High Brow Rip, Shred Critique of what "I" said, not what the Problem Is and How to Solve it.

Critique your Messiah and go on bended knee before him and beg of his holiness to get his ass on a plane, hope it is not a hi-jack target by box-cutter wielding Sharia Islamist Fundamentalist, fly to Hawaii, get the damm Birth Certificate, bring it before the World and the SCOTUS '9', and Prove to us, FOREVER MORE, that you are the Legally Born Citizen all your Supporters say you are .....

And HECK MAN !!!! Obama don't need no stinkin' plane .... why he can just go to San Francisco, step on to the Waters of the Bay, and WALK to Hawaii !!!!!!!!

Seems as simple a thing for him to do as it is getting an Answer from you that is not a Critique or a Side Two-Step Muffle Shuffle and a Tango Hustle.

I will not engage you any more .... you Purina Power, are a waste of time .... you are a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing - - you know something is wrong, but you and all your kind are so Orgasmic over this "Simple Human Beings Winning of the Oval Office", that you would allow him to Become the Most Powerful Man on Earth, even if he has balled faced Lied and Deceived to get there.

You people make me sick !!!!!! And the "Missiah'Bama" is starting to make me Sick too .... he can stop this and won't .... WHY THE FOOK NOT ??? WHY THE FOOK NOT ????? WHY THE FOOK NOT ?????

WHY THE FOOK NOT ?????

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JH, since you don't think it important enough to view the videos I have posted here concerning his paternal grandmother, I'm not going to lead you by the nose to it.

Also, Try looking at the 14th amendment and you will see the LEGAL requirement for "Natural Born Citizenship". Enlighten yourself. When his mother married the Indonesian citizen and BO was adopted by him, he had dual citizenship, (provided he had American citizenship in the first place) which makes him ineligible to be president. I’m not going to point you to that either. Are you second or third generation I don't give a Syhit.

There is more to this than just his place of birth. But his supposed "Birth Cert" that he has posted online is not. It is a registration of birth, allowed in Hawaii, but does not establish his origin. (read earlier posts)

B. Obama must let the TRUTH BE KNOWN, or his presidency is illegitimate. I am not a Obama hater, as the Bush haters of the Democratic party. I just want the TRUTH.

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JH - - it has been shown that Obama was a Naturalized Citizen of Indonesia and therefore had to Renounce his U.S. Citizenship, thus causing him to be Disqualified to be the President of the United States.

If "In Fact", the man was ever an Indonesian Naturalized Citizen, that all alone and by its self, puts him out of the Oval Office - - if we follow Law and the Constitution.

What is 'SO' freaking hard about getting your own Birth Certificate and Supporting Documents to the SCOTUS '9' ??? Obama still has a few Million in his Campaign Fund that I am sure he could legally squeeze a trip to Hawaii out of for the Expressed Purpose of Obtaining Evidence that Supports His Parties Contention that He, Obama, is eligible to be the President of the United States.

AND I am MOST sure there are about 1 Billion Tree Huggers World Wide, that would Sell All Their Possessions and live on the Cold Deadly Streets to pay for Obama and Family to trip to Hawaii for a week and Retrieve this NOW Classified Document(s) .....

Shyte .... 1 Billion Messiah Loving Tree Hugging Weeping Mush Brained Weirdo's could link them selves together in the Ocean and make a Bridge that their Messiah could Drive Across to Hawaii ..... but "Why Drive When You can Walk is what I am sayin' – see what I’m sayin' playa"

DAMMMMM !!!!!!!!!!! Now that is a freggin NOVEL and BLOODY JOLLY GOOD IDEA !!!!!!!!

Let Obama be the FIRST PERSON TO EVER ACTUALLY DRIVE TO HAWAII !!!!!!!!!!!!! (you see one Man has already Walked on Water so Walking There would be kinda old and stuffy for the likes of a Man the Caliber of Messiah'Bama)

Now that is the stuff of True Legends and Messiahs.

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Tripster Wrote:.

JH - - it has been shown that Obama was a Naturalized Citizen of Indonesia and therefore had to Renounce his U.S. Citizenship, thus causing him to be Disqualified to be the President of the United States.

If "In Fact", the man was ever an Indonesian Naturalized Citizen, that all alone and by its self, puts him out of the Oval Office - - if we follow Law and the Constitution.

Perhaps you should learn the law or the Constitution before spouting off such nonsense. I've already posted a link, in this very thread, to the relevant section of the US Code. It very explicitly states that a minor, someone under 18 such as Obama was when he was in Indonesia, cannot renounce their citizenship. It's impossible for a minor to renounce their citizenship. Not just hard, but impossible. Not only that, but noone else can renounce it for them. It is a decision that an individual has to make for themselves, after they have reached the age of maturity.

The fact that the people running this movement are ignorant about such basic facts as these should really make you question the rest of the garbage they spew.

And for SumofAllFears, I've already responded to your claims about the 14th Amendment.

The truth is known, as much as it ever is. Obama was born in Hawaii.

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RobertN .... I happen to LOVE Alaska .... it is absolutely Beautiful up there ... all you know about it is what you’ve seen in your Grade School books or you would not be so foolish to think offering me a Vacation to Alaska to be an Insult ....

And RobertN .... for some reason I like you and believe there is hope for you yet ... But 'SUM' is not me and will rip you a new hose .... where I am serious and use humor to express my passion ..... 'SUM' is Dead Serious about his beliefs .... you and I can toy with each other and its fun ... but don't use the same method on 'SUM' ... you won't be happily surprised.

And RobertN .... again you Posted Twice and Answered your very own Put Down ... learn the art of "Got Cha" before you play it man ... .... it is like honing your Kung Fu skills .... it takes centuries to become as proficient as I am in it.

I never said Obama was Al Qaeda or Taliban and you know that RobertN - - I said we would be "setting a precedent that would allow 500 of these Murderers to put their names on the Presidential Ballot - - after all, if we allow Obama to do it, they sure as heck are going to try it too".

Bye Bye RobertN .....

Purina Power !!!!! Good too see you in here too !!!!!!

We just don't understand why the Man does not SHOW the world the Dadgumm Birth Certificate and Supporting Documents.

And are you just Uber-Lame .... we have had College Kid's PRINTING MONEY so perfect and exact off Super Color Printers, that the Federal Government had to Enact Special Legislation to try and stop this from Happening .... no more is there need for the Old Swiss Silversmith Master Engraver, perched over in the Corner with his Magnifier Spectacle over his eye, as he Slowly and Ever So Meticulously ENGRAVES the Perfect Master Plates for a $100 Dollar Bill .... all you need today is Kinko's man !!!

So don't tell me anything about fabricating an Entire Paper Existence if you have the most dripping inkling of the idea and only part of the needed smarts to achieve it ....

And if you are trying to tell me that the United States Government will NEVER BE FOOLED ... then you are a sad and confused individual ....

RobertN, offer this man a Vacation to the HOLE in the Ground where the World Trade Centers Once Stood (oh that's right Purina Power, the Lone Gunmen think George Bush Masterminded 9/11 so he could go Kill His Daddy's Arch Enemy, Little Saddamy Husseiny .... but we are the "True Conspiracy Theorist" because OUR NEW PRESIDENT WON'T SIMPLY OFFER UP HIS FREGGIN BIRTH CERTIFICATE !!! It makes one go off on Tangents when you HIDE THINGS from US) - -

I can get my hands on Forged Stamps of all Flavors and from All Countries Purina Power ... how hard would it be to Forge one that is nearly 50 Years Old and really Really REALLY Out of Date. Just 'Hollywood it a little wear into it', so it has those musty old time and much used Flaws in it and then WHO CARES - -

I know a Chief of Police that HAS A FAKE HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA that's gotten him thru almost 30 Years of Employment, in '2' Different Law Enforcement Agencies and probably nearly Thru over 300 Law Enforcement Training Classes/Schools (got him thru the State Police Academy !!!) he has so many Certificates, that he needs and Octagon Shaped Room to hang them all - - AND THOSE ARE REAL - - and yet, HE IS NO MASTERMIND .... LOL

You don't believe that $800,000,000.00 Tiny Dollars can buy you a Super Whopper With Double Cheese Please FAKE OUT ..... that is the same naivety that got Pearl Harbor Blown to Smithereens in 1941 !!!!!

I just want to Truth man .... why on Earth Don't YOU .... ??? (you would not be saying Shyte against this if it were George Bush on the Hot Seat - - you best check you Bias Barometer there Dude)

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I know Alaska is nice(just not this time of year). I am not stupid despie what you think. I meant you could go up there and meet your hero Palin.
ou too.

Oddly enough, I think there is some hope for you too. I think we agreed a couple weeks back. As for SUM, he should change his name to the "SUM OF ALL RIGHTWING COMMENTATORS" because all he does is say the same crap the conservatives tell Rush, Hannity and Ann "my jaw is wired shut" Coulter. Btw, do you guys think we would believe a rightwing rag like "American Thinker(as if you guys actually think for yourselves) is going to convince anyone but the conservative non-thinker this is possibly even true?

I am not sure how I answered my own put down but you can believe what you want. As for Kung Fu, why does it not surprise me that you are into violent "sports"? How come violence is the only way to solve problems with you guys?

As for saying Obama is Al Qaeda, I wasn't talking about you. SUM was the one who answered you post by implying Obama was Al Qaeda. As far as the WTC site I have been there. It is a horrible place. THe "men" who did it were/are horrible "people". I don't necessarily believe we did it ourselves but as someone(not sure if it was you or SUM-or both) said to not believe everything the government tells you. You can't tell me that when it fell it didn't look like the buildings imploded.

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RobertN - - I am really getting to like you more and more !!!!! You are a trip and can be fairly funny when you want to be. And I do not think you to be "Stupid" .... I wish you wouldn't read out of the Liberals Handbook so much though. I don't have a Conservative Right-Wingers Handbook and everything I say comes straight from my Heart - - unless I Paste a Quote or a Web Page link, what I say is ALL ME, not Rush Limbaugh or Shawn Hannity or any Talking Heads - -

I haven't listened to Rush in more than a Year and Hannity for about a Year ... I already know what they are going to say so why waste my time ??? I would rather listen to Bill Moyers or Charlie Rose or help me, Al Frankin - - at least I get Surprised by them from time to time ... LOL.

I know this is a long Post, but I think you might like reading it. It took me a long long time to Ponder if I should Post it as Written or Not. I mean I am opening up a good bit of my self and I don't like doing that. Oh I will offer up a Tid Bit here and there as to what Tripster is, but to hang it out there like this is not my style - - I like to leave people wondering more than give them Absolutes - - Yet, it will give you an idea of why I am who I am - - I am not apologizing or offering any Excuses for what I have done in my life, I am merely offering an Explanation as best as I can.

What is "Violent" about learning and practicing an Ancient Art of Self Defense that has SAVED MY LIFE MANY TIMES.

And I ain't talking Jet Li Movie Kung Fu either (and I know that Jet Li is the real-deal), but the stuff you see in movies is total crap - - 20 guys are not going to stand around and come at you One-By-One so you can kick the snot out of them - - in the Real World, you do get hit and it Does Hurt, but you don't let the Other Guy Win. We trained with every Hard Core Fighting Technique we could use and only incorporated what would hurt the Most and Hurt the Fastest in a Hand-to-Hand Fight. No Flashy Movie-oid Triple Round House Head Kicks and stupid stuff like that. About the Highest we will kick on a Standing Opponent, is to his Groin and MAYBE to his Stomach/Solar Plexis if it is an Economical Kick that does not leave you open or vulnerable. So all that Hollywood Jive ain't in my Script.

Real Life Hand-to-Hand Fights last about as long as the ones you see in the Bourne Movies and they are Deadly and Intentional (Bourne example meant ONLY to give some semblance of a half-assed, yet Visual Real Life Idea of an Actual Hand-to-Hand fight to the Death) - -

You go in to Kill your Opponent, not to 'Beat Him Up' and you do it as Fast and as Economically as You Possibly Can and you get the hell up and move on. If you are NOT there to Kill your Target, you hurt him as badly as you can to subdue him and you Secure Him to the point of cutting off circulation to limbs, but YOU stay ALIVE at ALL COST. This is no Game and there is no Console Cheat for God Mode - - you Die in my world, you simply lay down and your Soul Leaves your Body … ain't no Tilda Key in Real Life Baby (~)!!!

RobertN - - I guess I do have what some Uninformed Souls would consider a "Handicap" - - I have been trained for 2/3'rds of My Life how to Kill and Maim with Weapons, Explosives, and My Bare Hands and I only know from my Training and Life Experiences. I have done more than just be an Army Soldier in my Life and have had to see and handle some puke nasty things - - but I was trained on how to handle these Puke Nasty Things as they Occurred in Real Time - - they never Trained on how to Live with Them After they Start Eating You Down like Cancer.

It is said that if a Person Does a Thing, even just Practicing that Thing, at least 3000 to 5000 Times, it becomes 1st Nature to that Person for the Rest of His Life. AND the really fooked up thing is, All the Person has to do, is Sit In a Dark Room, Close his Eyes and Think the Motions, Actions, or Processes Thru, 3000 to 5000 times and it is just as good as actually physically doing it for real - - so me reliving my Training and My Past every waking and Sleeping Hour, just reinforces within me, how I must act and how I must React. It is no longer a Choice for me RobertN.

I have been Taught and have Seen these horrible things and have done them 1000 times more than 3000 or 5000 Times - - I am a Product of My Training and I will never be able to NOT BE THAT.

It oozes out of me like Poison and if you think the old me is not still somewhere inside, telling the Trained Me to knock it off, you are mistaken ... but the Trained Me is stronger than the Original Nice Guy I was 40+ Years Ago.

Let me offer you an Example of why Tripster is the way he is and if Just Seeing How Detailed this thing is doesn't give you a hint, then I can't help ya beyond that - ->

You have no Idea the Horrible Dreams I have EVERY DAMM NIGHT - - take just ONE of last nights dreams - ->

I am at an Auction where a Business Owner has had to File Bankruptcy and has been Foreclosed On - - the Bidding Starts and this guy is a Mob/Mafia Connected Guy and every one is afraid of him and I look around and I am the only guy there to Bid in the Auction - - I ain't scared of some Mob Dude - - so I get the $1 Million Dollar Business for $20,000 Dollars (really was a dream huh???) and this riles the hide off the Mob Dude .... so I am in the building one day and in walks a Well Known Mob Hitman that Law Enforcement has tried to put in Prison several times, but he always slips away on Technicalities. His Face is Very Well known from the Press and Media.

So I see him walk in - - he does not try to conceal him self because he Has No Fear !!!!! He walks up to within about 15 Feet of me and I look into his Steely Ocean Blue Eyes and see pure Death in an Endless Sea of Lifeless Blue Color under thinning Reddish Blonde Hair - - his smile is one of Polite Contention and is silently saying, "I am here to Kill You so let's just get on with it OK and then I can go have a Cocktail and not miss Happy Hour".

He notices that YOU are not Afraid of him either and that sours him a bit, After all his reputation should precede him where ever he goes.

He then notices that I have a Handgun sitting on the ledge just inches away. His Face Changes Color but he does not lose his composure.

He goes for his gun and I go for mine, blood is flying all over the place, skin and bones exploding inside both of us and yet we keep firing and firing.

His white shirt that is under his Triple Breasted Suit complete with Bow Tie and Dress Coat that is hanging over his Left Arm, is now totally Blood Red and soaked thru with his Blood and he has slid down the wall - - I am bent over a table and gasping for breath - - while he is down and dead, I make it outside to try to get me some help - - he is NOT Dead and has gotten up and is bleeding out, chasing me thru the Snow, and we are still blasting each other into little pieces .... I finally manage a head shot that Does Drop him dead and the last thing I remember is trying to 'round a corner and holding on to a Chain-Link Fence and seeing this Teenage Black male just Freeze with his eyes as big as Moon Pies at the sight of all the bullet holes and blood - - I try to call out to him to go get me help and this is where I fall to the Snow, that is Crimson Red from my Blood and I DIE. (I live in the Uber South RobertN, it snows here Once Every Eon)

And I only gave the Highlights of the Dream RobertN - - there is an Entire Movie of the Week left to tell about it and It is ALWAYS IN TECHNICOLOR THX 3D MOFO HI-FI 20.1 DIGITAL SURROUND SOUND WITH "EFFECTS" …. And I still ain't told you much.

This is EVERY NIGHT I CLOSE MY EYES RobertN - - always Different Dreams that are so Bloody and Violent, that it is like living in Hell.

I live my past every waking hour and can't even escape it when I SLEEP.

Almost My Whole Life has been lived by Gun, Weapon, or Fist to Secure OTHER PEOPLE FROM HARM and now I am Cursed 24 Hours A Day, 7 Days a Week, 365 Days a Year for it.

People have Lived because of me and People have Died Because of me ... I have the Outer and Inner Scars that Never Go Away to Remind Me of those People or of their Ghost.

I am not looking for Pity or Sympathy - - you asked and I explained and we will leave it at that.

All I wanted is for you to understand "WHY" a little better. My "Fairy Tales" ended a LONG LONG LONG TIME AGO when I found out that There Is NO Santa Claus, because one of my Predecessors Killed Him ....

I LOVE MY COUNTRY, RobertN - - I distrust and despise my "Merry Band of Thieves" Government - - there is a difference.

By-the-Way, the Military just doubled its Psychiatric Staffing in preparations for Returning Middle East Theater Combat Vets and Stress Exposed Personnel. Viet Nam all over again …. Nennnennenne nineteen Nennnennenne nineteen (Paul Hardcastle's song '19')

AHHHHH ..... "The Messiah Cometh" .....

.

jh Wrote:I heard a rumor that John McCain was born to Australian parents & secretly switched at birth. Why won't he produce a DNA test to prove he's a real American?

What does American DNA look like? Is "American" a race unto itself?

smn1256 Wrote:

jh Wrote:I heard a rumor that John McCain was born to Australian parents & secretly switched at birth. Why won't he produce a DNA test to prove he's a real American?

What does American DNA look like? Is "American" a race unto itself?

The DNA test would be to confirm that he was related to his American "parents" and not the mythical Australian set (if he was born overseas to Australians he would not be a natural born American citizen).

I guess I should have said "I made up a rumor" to make it clear that I'm not actually questioning his heritage.

RobertN Wrote:(as if you guys actually think for yourselves)

Are you kidding me? Liberal Rosie O'Donnell gets a standing ovation when she said "for the first time in history fire melted steel" when she referred to her belief that the US gov caused 9/11. Anna Nichole Smith gets a standing ovation when she painted on her boobs "Jews did 911." Ward Churchill has his fellow faculty and students stand behind him when he compared the victims of 9/11 to Nazis. Liberals actually believe Obama didn't know his pastor of 20 years was an anti-American racist. Liberal loons believe the military took down that commercial airliner over the Atlantic some years ago. It's the liberal-types that think we didn't land on the moon and do believe the gov is hiding alien bodies and space ships. And it's the freaking brainless liberals who believe that higher taxes = prosperity.

Tripster Wrote:.

RobertN - - I am really getting to like you more and more !!!!! You are a trip and can be fairly funny when you want to be. And I do not think you to be "Stupid" .... I wish you wouldn't read out of the Liberals Handbook so much though. I don't have a Conservative Right-Wingers Handbook and everything I say comes straight from my Heart - - unless I Paste a Quote or a Web Page link, what I say is ALL ME, not Rush Limbaugh or Shawn Hannity or any Talking Heads - -

I haven't listened to Rush in more than a Year and Hannity for about a Year ... I already know what they are going to say so why waste my time ??? I would rather listen to Bill Moyers or Charlie Rose or help me, Al Frankin - - at least I get Surprised by them from time to time ... LOL.

I know this is a long Post, but I think you might like reading it. It took me a long long time to Ponder if I should Post it as Written or Not. I mean I am opening up a good bit of my self and I don't like doing that. Oh I will offer up a Tid Bit here and there as to what Tripster is, but to hang it out there like this is not my style - - I like to leave people wondering more than give them Absolutes - - Yet, it will give you an idea of why I am who I am - - I am not apologizing or offering any Excuses for what I have done in my life, I am merely offering an Explanation as best as I can.

What is "Violent" about learning and practicing an Ancient Art of Self Defense that has SAVED MY LIFE MANY TIMES.

And I ain't talking Jet Li Movie Kung Fu either (and I know that Jet Li is the real-deal), but the stuff you see in movies is total crap - - 20 guys are not going to stand around and come at you One-By-One so you can kick the snot out of them - - in the Real World, you do get hit and it Does Hurt, but you don't let the Other Guy Win. We trained with every Hard Core Fighting Technique we could use and only incorporated what would hurt the Most and Hurt the Fastest in a Hand-to-Hand Fight. No Flashy Movie-oid Triple Round House Head Kicks and stupid stuff like that. About the Highest we will kick on a Standing Opponent, is to his Groin and MAYBE to his Stomach/Solar Plexis if it is an Economical Kick that does not leave you open or vulnerable. So all that Hollywood Jive ain't in my Script.

Real Life Hand-to-Hand Fights last about as long as the ones you see in the Bourne Movies and they are Deadly and Intentional (Bourne example meant ONLY to give some semblance of a half-assed, yet Visual Real Life Idea of an Actual Hand-to-Hand fight to the Death) - -

You go in to Kill your Opponent, not to 'Beat Him Up' and you do it as Fast and as Economically as You Possibly Can and you get the hell up and move on. If you are NOT there to Kill your Target, you hurt him as badly as you can to subdue him and you Secure Him to the point of cutting off circulation to limbs, but YOU stay ALIVE at ALL COST. This is no Game and there is no Console Cheat for God Mode - - you Die in my world, you simply lay down and your Soul Leaves your Body … ain't no Tilda Key in Real Life Baby (~)!!!

RobertN - - I guess I do have what some Uninformed Souls would consider a "Handicap" - - I have been trained for 2/3'rds of My Life how to Kill and Maim with Weapons, Explosives, and My Bare Hands and I only know from my Training and Life Experiences. I have done more than just be an Army Soldier in my Life and have had to see and handle some puke nasty things - - but I was trained on how to handle these Puke Nasty Things as they Occurred in Real Time - - they never Trained on how to Live with Them After they Start Eating You Down like Cancer.

It is said that if a Person Does a Thing, even just Practicing that Thing, at least 3000 to 5000 Times, it becomes 1st Nature to that Person for the Rest of His Life. AND the really fooked up thing is, All the Person has to do, is Sit In a Dark Room, Close his Eyes and Think the Motions, Actions, or Processes Thru, 3000 to 5000 times and it is just as good as actually physically doing it for real - - so me reliving my Training and My Past every waking and Sleeping Hour, just reinforces within me, how I must act and how I must React. It is no longer a Choice for me RobertN.

I have been Taught and have Seen these horrible things and have done them 1000 times more than 3000 or 5000 Times - - I am a Product of My Training and I will never be able to NOT BE THAT.

It oozes out of me like Poison and if you think the old me is not still somewhere inside, telling the Trained Me to knock it off, you are mistaken ... but the Trained Me is stronger than the Original Nice Guy I was 40+ Years Ago.

Let me offer you an Example of why Tripster is the way he is and if Just Seeing How Detailed this thing is doesn't give you a hint, then I can't help ya beyond that - ->

You have no Idea the Horrible Dreams I have EVERY DAMM NIGHT - - take just ONE of last nights dreams - ->

I am at an Auction where a Business Owner has had to File Bankruptcy and has been Foreclosed On - - the Bidding Starts and this guy is a Mob/Mafia Connected Guy and every one is afraid of him and I look around and I am the only guy there to Bid in the Auction - - I ain't scared of some Mob Dude - - so I get the $1 Million Dollar Business for $20,000 Dollars (really was a dream huh???) and this riles the hide off the Mob Dude .... so I am in the building one day and in walks a Well Known Mob Hitman that Law Enforcement has tried to put in Prison several times, but he always slips away on Technicalities. His Face is Very Well known from the Press and Media.

So I see him walk in - - he does not try to conceal him self because he Has No Fear !!!!! He walks up to within about 15 Feet of me and I look into his Steely Ocean Blue Eyes and see pure Death in an Endless Sea of Lifeless Blue Color under thinning Reddish Blonde Hair - - his smile is one of Polite Contention and is silently saying, "I am here to Kill You so let's just get on with it OK and then I can go have a Cocktail and not miss Happy Hour".

He notices that YOU are not Afraid of him either and that sours him a bit, After all his reputation should precede him where ever he goes.

He then notices that I have a Handgun sitting on the ledge just inches away. His Face Changes Color but he does not lose his composure.

He goes for his gun and I go for mine, blood is flying all over the place, skin and bones exploding inside both of us and yet we keep firing and firing.

His white shirt that is under his Triple Breasted Suit complete with Bow Tie and Dress Coat that is hanging over his Left Arm, is now totally Blood Red and soaked thru with his Blood and he has slid down the wall - - I am bent over a table and gasping for breath - - while he is down and dead, I make it outside to try to get me some help - - he is NOT Dead and has gotten up and is bleeding out, chasing me thru the Snow, and we are still blasting each other into little pieces .... I finally manage a head shot that Does Drop him dead and the last thing I remember is trying to 'round a corner and holding on to a Chain-Link Fence and seeing this Teenage Black male just Freeze with his eyes as big as Moon Pies at the sight of all the bullet holes and blood - - I try to call out to him to go get me help and this is where I fall to the Snow, that is Crimson Red from my Blood and I DIE. (I live in the Uber South RobertN, it snows here Once Every Eon)

And I only gave the Highlights of the Dream RobertN - - there is an Entire Movie of the Week left to tell about it and It is ALWAYS IN TECHNICOLOR THX 3D MOFO HI-FI 20.1 DIGITAL SURROUND SOUND WITH "EFFECTS" …. And I still ain't told you much.

This is EVERY NIGHT I CLOSE MY EYES RobertN - - always Different Dreams that are so Bloody and Violent, that it is like living in Hell.

I live my past every waking hour and can't even escape it when I SLEEP.

Almost My Whole Life has been lived by Gun, Weapon, or Fist to Secure OTHER PEOPLE FROM HARM and now I am Cursed 24 Hours A Day, 7 Days a Week, 365 Days a Year for it.

People have Lived because of me and People have Died Because of me ... I have the Outer and Inner Scars that Never Go Away to Remind Me of those People or of their Ghost.

I am not looking for Pity or Sympathy - - you asked and I explained and we will leave it at that.

All I wanted is for you to understand "WHY" a little better. My "Fairy Tales" ended a LONG LONG LONG TIME AGO when I found out that There Is NO Santa Claus, because one of my Predecessors Killed Him ....

I LOVE MY COUNTRY, RobertN - - I distrust and despise my "Merry Band of Thieves" Government - - there is a difference.

By-the-Way, the Military just doubled its Psychiatric Staffing in preparations for Returning Middle East Theater Combat Vets and Stress Exposed Personnel. Viet Nam all over again …. Nennnennenne nineteen Nennnennenne nineteen (Paul Hardcastle's song '19')

AHHHHH ..... "The Messiah Cometh" .....

.

THanks for sharing. I am sure it is hard to live like that. I guess I assumed the Kung Fu was more of an "American style"(ie. the American trainer in the Karate Kid) which is more offensive then defeensive. I also assumed that you would be more anti-war because of what you go through. I just don't get the violent tendencies from the Conservatives and why violence is the answer to all our problems. Sometimes it is the only answer but many times things can be settled without violence yet we go the violent route. I keep hearing "nuke em", "kill em" etc. from the right. Is that really going to solve anything? Has violence solved anything in the Middle East? No. Violence only leads to more violence. At some point the pattern has to end-hopefully before everyone is dead.

Steve,

Some more Liberal crap, you can find an endless list if you want...

Quote:1) Saddam Hussein never attacked the U.S.A. The Iraqi people are
showing us they will not live under Republican oppression and everyday
their brave fighters stand against U.S. imperialism. None of them want
democracy. Despite Bush Crime Family ordering the torture and murder
of millions of innocent Moslems, the U.S. war machine is being soundly
defeated by freedom fighters.

2) Republicans hate blacks. They are terrified to have Charlie Rangel
in a position of power. Investigations will reveal that Bush Crime
Family & CIA were behind the deaths of hundreds of innocent black
people in New Orleans.

3) Republicans oppress women. Republicans are against the FREEDOM of
young women to exercise their late-term CHOICE. Republicans in their
antiquated way of thinking wish to term the clock back to the 18th
century. They want to establish a phallocracy by mandating that the
father's of teenage girls be informed of their daughter's pro-CHOICES.
They are also terrified of having Nancy Pelosi in a position of power.

4) Republicans are GREEDY. Most rich white business men are
Republicans! They exploit the needy and give nothing in return. Our
economy is in terrible shape (except of course for the few rich people
that own stock) with millions of people in desperate need. Hugo
Chavez had to donate oil to our poor just to keep thousands of elderly
from freezing to death. Let's eliminate the tax cuts that have gutted
our nation's soul.

When we get the power, will have subpoena power to put Bush's feet to the fire! This will show the world that not all Americans are terrorists and that we are truly sorry for supporting Israeli aggression and allowing our military to terrorize Muslims.

What the HeII is a "phallocracy"?

Maybe you confuse "self defense" for "I keep hearing "nuke em", "kill em" etc. from the right. Because I never hear that.

smn1256 Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:(as if you guys actually think for yourselves)

Are you kidding me? Liberal Rosie O'Donnell gets a standing ovation when she said "for the first time in history fire melted steel" when she referred to her belief that the US gov caused 9/11. Anna Nichole Smith gets a standing ovation when she painted on her boobs "Jews did 911." Ward Churchill has his fellow faculty and students stand behind him when he compared the victims of 9/11 to Nazis. Liberals actually believe Obama didn't know his pastor of 20 years was an anti-American racist. Liberal loons believe the military took down that commercial airliner over the Atlantic some years ago. It's the liberal-types that think we didn't land on the moon and do believe the gov is hiding alien bodies and space ships. And it's the freaking brainless liberals who believe that higher taxes = prosperity.

So you pick Rosie O'Donnell and ANS to "prove your point?

SumOfAllFears Wrote:Steve,

Some more Liberal crap, you can find an endless list if you want...

Quote:1) Saddam Hussein never attacked the U.S.A. The Iraqi people are
showing us they will not live under Republican oppression and everyday
their brave fighters stand against U.S. imperialism. None of them want
democracy. Despite Bush Crime Family ordering the torture and murder
of millions of innocent Moslems, the U.S. war machine is being soundly
defeated by freedom fighters.

2) Republicans hate blacks. They are terrified to have Charlie Rangel
in a position of power. Investigations will reveal that Bush Crime
Family & CIA were behind the deaths of hundreds of innocent black
people in New Orleans.

3) Republicans oppress women. Republicans are against the FREEDOM of
young women to exercise their late-term CHOICE. Republicans in their
antiquated way of thinking wish to term the clock back to the 18th
century. They want to establish a phallocracy by mandating that the
father's of teenage girls be informed of their daughter's pro-CHOICES.
They are also terrified of having Nancy Pelosi in a position of power.

4) Republicans are GREEDY. Most rich white business men are
Republicans! They exploit the needy and give nothing in return. Our
economy is in terrible shape (except of course for the few rich people
that own stock) with millions of people in desperate need. Hugo
Chavez had to donate oil to our poor just to keep thousands of elderly
from freezing to death. Let's eliminate the tax cuts that have gutted
our nation's soul.

When we get the power, will have subpoena power to put Bush's feet to the fire! This will show the world that not all Americans are terrorists and that we are truly sorry for supporting Israeli aggression and allowing our military to terrorize Muslims.

What the HeII is a "phallocracy"?

Maybe you confuse "self defense" for "I keep hearing "nuke em", "kill em" etc. from the right. Because I never hear that.

I think the first part of your post is simple to understand if you just use your "head".

As for my part, no, I do not confuse "self defense" with "nuke em" and "kill em". I have seen it MANY times on this board and MANY other boards. I have lost count the number of times and the number of countries that you(republicans) want nuked. I even heard the brilliant idea of nuking Mecca. Now that is a great idea. Nothing like pissing of billions of Muslims more than they are now. That will make us safer.

RobertN Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:(as if you guys actually think for yourselves)

Are you kidding me? Liberal Rosie O'Donnell gets a standing ovation when she said "for the first time in history fire melted steel" when she referred to her belief that the US gov caused 9/11. Anna Nichole Smith gets a standing ovation when she painted on her boobs "Jews did 911." Ward Churchill has his fellow faculty and students stand behind him when he compared the victims of 9/11 to Nazis. Liberals actually believe Obama didn't know his pastor of 20 years was an anti-American racist. Liberal loons believe the military took down that commercial airliner over the Atlantic some years ago. It's the liberal-types that think we didn't land on the moon and do believe the gov is hiding alien bodies and space ships. And it's the freaking brainless liberals who believe that higher taxes = prosperity.

So you pick Rosie O'Donnell and ANS to "prove your point?

You shouldn't be laughing - you should by crying that the dumb asses on your side think they're credible sources of information. Obama got elected - that proves my point.