(11-06-2010 07:15 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:01 PM)Cromie Wrote:  

Thanks for the info, and that makes for an interesting point. One of the reasons, and this is my thoughts nothing from an insider or anything, but I bet that a lot of the Big East schools are quietly salivating at recruiting in the Texas area. That's why they wouldn't be to upset if they had to "settle" for Houston, and get us deeper into Texas. Personally, and this isn't a knock against UCF or anything, but I would rather have ECU because those are new markets. But, we'll see. USF does have stroke in the conference. On a side note someone mentioned that USF's opinion shouldn't matter it's not like they can leave for anywhere. Well Stanford and California can't exactly jump to another conference either yet their opinion was respected when they said that they didn't want Baylor.

Never said there opinion didn't mater just said if UCF got in they would live with it and move on.

(11-06-2010 07:32 PM)papablastter Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:15 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:01 PM)Cromie Wrote:  

Thanks for the info, and that makes for an interesting point. One of the reasons, and this is my thoughts nothing from an insider or anything, but I bet that a lot of the Big East schools are quietly salivating at recruiting in the Texas area. That's why they wouldn't be to upset if they had to "settle" for Houston, and get us deeper into Texas. Personally, and this isn't a knock against UCF or anything, but I would rather have ECU because those are new markets. But, we'll see. USF does have stroke in the conference. On a side note someone mentioned that USF's opinion shouldn't matter it's not like they can leave for anywhere. Well Stanford and California can't exactly jump to another conference either yet their opinion was respected when they said that they didn't want Baylor.

Never said there opinion didn't mater just said if UCF got in they would live with it and move on.

The key is getting in and UCF might not have overwhelming support.

(11-06-2010 07:36 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:32 PM)papablastter Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:15 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:01 PM)Cromie Wrote:  

Thanks for the info, and that makes for an interesting point. One of the reasons, and this is my thoughts nothing from an insider or anything, but I bet that a lot of the Big East schools are quietly salivating at recruiting in the Texas area. That's why they wouldn't be to upset if they had to "settle" for Houston, and get us deeper into Texas. Personally, and this isn't a knock against UCF or anything, but I would rather have ECU because those are new markets. But, we'll see. USF does have stroke in the conference. On a side note someone mentioned that USF's opinion shouldn't matter it's not like they can leave for anywhere. Well Stanford and California can't exactly jump to another conference either yet their opinion was respected when they said that they didn't want Baylor.

Never said there opinion didn't mater just said if UCF got in they would live with it and move on.

The key is getting in and UCF might not have overwhelming support.

Correct, IF USF was the ONLY objector the league could overrule them. If UCF doesnt get an invite then you know that it wasnt just because of USF's objection

(11-06-2010 07:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:36 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:32 PM)papablastter Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:15 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:01 PM)Cromie Wrote:  

Thanks for the info, and that makes for an interesting point. One of the reasons, and this is my thoughts nothing from an insider or anything, but I bet that a lot of the Big East schools are quietly salivating at recruiting in the Texas area. That's why they wouldn't be to upset if they had to "settle" for Houston, and get us deeper into Texas. Personally, and this isn't a knock against UCF or anything, but I would rather have ECU because those are new markets. But, we'll see. USF does have stroke in the conference. On a side note someone mentioned that USF's opinion shouldn't matter it's not like they can leave for anywhere. Well Stanford and California can't exactly jump to another conference either yet their opinion was respected when they said that they didn't want Baylor.

Never said there opinion didn't mater just said if UCF got in they would live with it and move on.

The key is getting in and UCF might not have overwhelming support.

Correct, IF USF was the ONLY objector the league could overrule them. If UCF doesnt get an invite then you know that it wasnt just because of USF's objection

If I remember correctly, and if it was true, Rutgers reportedly didn't support adding UCF back in 2003. Times change and UCF has improved but you never know.

I do know this though, if you enter a room with 8 equal people in it and one person objects loudly and you get locked out of the room I seriously doubt that that one person bullied the other 7 people into locking you out of the room. That's all I'm saying.

CC
The problem affecting UCF is NOT their performance, because they have clearly improved. Their problem is that many in the league and not just USF are not sure on whether adding them will help the league more than it would hurt the current schools.
I think UCF's best bet in getting into the league will be having top 25 success for a few years that would make the league think that adding them would be bringing another ranked team and thus cancelling out any bad effect on current members recruiting in Florida.

(11-06-2010 07:42 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:36 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:32 PM)papablastter Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:15 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Thanks for the info, and that makes for an interesting point. One of the reasons, and this is my thoughts nothing from an insider or anything, but I bet that a lot of the Big East schools are quietly salivating at recruiting in the Texas area. That's why they wouldn't be to upset if they had to "settle" for Houston, and get us deeper into Texas. Personally, and this isn't a knock against UCF or anything, but I would rather have ECU because those are new markets. But, we'll see. USF does have stroke in the conference. On a side note someone mentioned that USF's opinion shouldn't matter it's not like they can leave for anywhere. Well Stanford and California can't exactly jump to another conference either yet their opinion was respected when they said that they didn't want Baylor.

Never said there opinion didn't mater just said if UCF got in they would live with it and move on.

The key is getting in and UCF might not have overwhelming support.

Correct, IF USF was the ONLY objector the league could overrule them. If UCF doesnt get an invite then you know that it wasnt just because of USF's objection

If I remember correctly, and if it was true, Rutgers reportedly didn't support adding UCF back in 2003. Times change and UCF has improved but you never know.

I do know this though, if you enter a room with 8 equal people in it and one person objects loudly and you get locked out of the room I seriously doubt that that one person bullied the other 7 people into locking you out of the room. That's all I'm saying.

Well i believe who gets invited is gonna have more to do with whatever paul T's money maker of a TV deal calls for. Not saying that UCF is the awnser, but i think all these schools are looking at the fact they dont make squat compared to the other conferences.

(11-06-2010 07:42 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:36 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:32 PM)papablastter Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:15 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Thanks for the info, and that makes for an interesting point. One of the reasons, and this is my thoughts nothing from an insider or anything, but I bet that a lot of the Big East schools are quietly salivating at recruiting in the Texas area. That's why they wouldn't be to upset if they had to "settle" for Houston, and get us deeper into Texas. Personally, and this isn't a knock against UCF or anything, but I would rather have ECU because those are new markets. But, we'll see. USF does have stroke in the conference. On a side note someone mentioned that USF's opinion shouldn't matter it's not like they can leave for anywhere. Well Stanford and California can't exactly jump to another conference either yet their opinion was respected when they said that they didn't want Baylor.

Never said there opinion didn't mater just said if UCF got in they would live with it and move on.

The key is getting in and UCF might not have overwhelming support.

Correct, IF USF was the ONLY objector the league could overrule them. If UCF doesnt get an invite then you know that it wasnt just because of USF's objection

If I remember correctly, and if it was true, Rutgers reportedly didn't support adding UCF back in 2003. Times change and UCF has improved but you never know.

I do know this though, if you enter a room with 8 equal people in it and one person objects loudly and you get locked out of the room I seriously doubt that that one person bullied the other 7 people into locking you out of the room. That's all I'm saying.

I see where you are going with that. But it is more likely that the other 7 weren't as adamant of having that person come in to argue with that one objector.

The way I see it is that USF's voice counts as one vote. I'm assuming they will have to explain why and those other institutions will have to agree. I doubt it will be vote no because you are my friend type of thing. They will have convinced the other presidents.

(11-06-2010 07:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  CC
The problem affecting UCF is NOT their performance, because they have clearly improved. Their problem is that many in the league and not just USF are not sure on whether adding them will help the league more than it would hurt the current schools.
I think UCF's best bet in getting into the league will be having top 25 success for a few years that would make the league think that adding them would be bringing another ranked team and thus cancelling out any bad effect on current members recruiting in Florida.

you already have ppl from florida on UCF's team then USf, Miami, UF, Florida state and probably on every collage team in the united states. Florida players aren't drying up really it seems it's like listening to people say the world is almost out of oil yet more keeps coming out.

(11-06-2010 07:49 PM)AlEast Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:42 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:36 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:32 PM)papablastter Wrote:  Never said there opinion didn't mater just said if UCF got in they would live with it and move on.

The key is getting in and UCF might not have overwhelming support.

Correct, IF USF was the ONLY objector the league could overrule them. If UCF doesnt get an invite then you know that it wasnt just because of USF's objection

If I remember correctly, and if it was true, Rutgers reportedly didn't support adding UCF back in 2003. Times change and UCF has improved but you never know.

I do know this though, if you enter a room with 8 equal people in it and one person objects loudly and you get locked out of the room I seriously doubt that that one person bullied the other 7 people into locking you out of the room. That's all I'm saying.

I see where you are going with that. But it is more likely that the other 7 weren't as adamant of having that person come in to argue with that one objector.

The way I see it is that USF's voice counts as one vote. I'm assuming they will have to explain why and those other institutions will have to agree. I doubt it will be vote no because you are my friend type of thing. They will have convinced the other presidents.

Clearly they have convinced someone if UCF hasn't been extended and invite. And being friends have EVERYTHING to do with it. Cincinnati had a lot to offer but the only reason we got in so solidly was because our programs was friends with Syracuse, West Virginia, Connecticut, Notre Dame and Boston College.

(11-06-2010 06:32 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 06:24 PM)Cromie Wrote:  UCF is the next school but does not have an Invite yet as USF is causing some uproar as they do not want to play another FL teams each year.

Jim Levitt (their former HC) pretty much stated their Admin was doing everything they could to hold UCF back. I don't blame them. By becoming a member UCF and USF would become official rivals, and USF is trying to make FSU, Miami, and UF their rivals instead.

The GOOD thing for UCF is that the rest of the BE schools don't really care what USF thinks.

You don't have one shred of evidence to back up this statement. If you get in, congrats, and it will become a good rivalry, but here are 2 facts for you. 1) USF will oppose UCF's entry into the BE. and 2) USF DOES have allies in the BE. The BE is more inclined to come down on the side of a member in good standing than an outsider, when considering what teams to add. Whether USF has enough support to keep UCF out is anyone's guess. But, USF does have some power in the matter.

(11-06-2010 07:56 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:49 PM)AlEast Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:42 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:36 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  The key is getting in and UCF might not have overwhelming support.

Correct, IF USF was the ONLY objector the league could overrule them. If UCF doesnt get an invite then you know that it wasnt just because of USF's objection

If I remember correctly, and if it was true, Rutgers reportedly didn't support adding UCF back in 2003. Times change and UCF has improved but you never know.

I do know this though, if you enter a room with 8 equal people in it and one person objects loudly and you get locked out of the room I seriously doubt that that one person bullied the other 7 people into locking you out of the room. That's all I'm saying.

I see where you are going with that. But it is more likely that the other 7 weren't as adamant of having that person come in to argue with that one objector.

The way I see it is that USF's voice counts as one vote. I'm assuming they will have to explain why and those other institutions will have to agree. I doubt it will be vote no because you are my friend type of thing. They will have convinced the other presidents.

Clearly they have convinced someone if UCF hasn't been extended and invite. And being friends have EVERYTHING to do with it. Cincinnati had a lot to offer but the only reason we got in so solidly was because our programs was friends with Syracuse, West Virginia, Connecticut, Notre Dame and Boston College.

I would argue that being friends with BC helped :) lol

(11-06-2010 07:57 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 06:32 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 06:24 PM)Cromie Wrote:  UCF is the next school but does not have an Invite yet as USF is causing some uproar as they do not want to play another FL teams each year.

Jim Levitt (their former HC) pretty much stated their Admin was doing everything they could to hold UCF back. I don't blame them. By becoming a member UCF and USF would become official rivals, and USF is trying to make FSU, Miami, and UF their rivals instead.

The GOOD thing for UCF is that the rest of the BE schools don't really care what USF thinks.

You don't have one shred of evidence to back up this statement. If you get in, congrats, and it will become a good rivalry, but here are 2 facts for you. 1) USF will oppose UCF's entry into the BE. and 2) USF DOES have allies in the BE. The BE is more inclined to come down on the side of a member in good standing than an outsider, when considering what teams to add. Whether USF has enough support to keep UCF out is anyone's guess. But, USF does have some power in the matter.

This is what I was telling someone a few years ago. I remember I was talking to an ECU fan about ECU joining the Big East and I was going back and forth about it. They told me that nobody cares what Cincinnati thinks they're not important. I promptly told them that Cincinnati is a conference member and actually votes, they have what you have, so they're a tad big important to you and you better start caring. These people thumb their noses down a programs and they convince themselves that this program or this conference isn't that powerful or isn't that important but it's just your warped point of view not fact. If you're trying to get into a conference and you tell one of the members to go screw off I doubt that's going to sit very well with the other members. And you also cost yourself a precious vote. Every vote is important, especially if you're on the bad side of one of the members.

(11-06-2010 07:56 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Clearly they have convinced someone if UCF hasn't been extended and invite. And being friends have EVERYTHING to do with it. Cincinnati had a lot to offer but the only reason we got in so solidly was because our programs was friends with Syracuse, West Virginia, Connecticut, Notre Dame and Boston College.

One thing to take out of this...Our AD, Keith Tribble, was previously the director of the Orange Bowl. Now, I certainly do not know the dynamic of any relationships, but Keith has a lot of contacts, and seems to be very well respected.

I would certainly believe his presence benefits UCF in this round of expansion talks.

(11-06-2010 08:00 PM)papablastter Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:56 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:49 PM)AlEast Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:42 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Correct, IF USF was the ONLY objector the league could overrule them. If UCF doesnt get an invite then you know that it wasnt just because of USF's objection

If I remember correctly, and if it was true, Rutgers reportedly didn't support adding UCF back in 2003. Times change and UCF has improved but you never know.

I do know this though, if you enter a room with 8 equal people in it and one person objects loudly and you get locked out of the room I seriously doubt that that one person bullied the other 7 people into locking you out of the room. That's all I'm saying.

I see where you are going with that. But it is more likely that the other 7 weren't as adamant of having that person come in to argue with that one objector.

The way I see it is that USF's voice counts as one vote. I'm assuming they will have to explain why and those other institutions will have to agree. I doubt it will be vote no because you are my friend type of thing. They will have convinced the other presidents.

Clearly they have convinced someone if UCF hasn't been extended and invite. And being friends have EVERYTHING to do with it. Cincinnati had a lot to offer but the only reason we got in so solidly was because our programs was friends with Syracuse, West Virginia, Connecticut, Notre Dame and Boston College.

I would argue that being friends with BC helped :) lol

lol!

(11-06-2010 08:03 PM)knightalum74 Wrote:  

(11-06-2010 07:56 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Clearly they have convinced someone if UCF hasn't been extended and invite. And being friends have EVERYTHING to do with it. Cincinnati had a lot to offer but the only reason we got in so solidly was because our programs was friends with Syracuse, West Virginia, Connecticut, Notre Dame and Boston College.

One thing to take out of this...Our AD, Keith Tribble, was previously the director of the Orange Bowl. Now, I certainly do not know the dynamic of any relationships, but Keith has a lot of contacts, and seems to be very well respected.

I would certainly believe his presence benefits UCF in this round of expansion talks.

That's possible. The wording of Cromie's post is interesting, USF doesn't want to play another Florida school. Is this an excuse for USF to block UCF's inclusion? Possibly, I could see that and it's probably what is going on. But if USF legitimately doesn't want to play another Florida school I think that the Big East should split into two 5 team divisions and put UCF and USF on opposite sides and not schedule a meeting against them every year. Maybe every other year. Still, I think, if this is true, remember we don't know if it's true or not, but if it is true this could be a pre-emptive strike but USF to prevent UCF from joining.

(11-06-2010 08:06 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  That's possible. The wording of Cromie's post is interesting, USF doesn't want to play another Florida school. Is this an excuse for USF to block UCF's inclusion? Possibly, I could see that and it's probably what is going on. But if USF legitimately doesn't want to play another Florida school I think that the Big East should split into two 5 team divisions and put UCF and USF on opposite sides and not schedule a meeting against them every year. Maybe every other year. Still, I think, if this is true, remember we don't know if it's true or not, but if it is true this could be a pre-emptive strike but USF to prevent UCF from joining.

Agree ... It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. The speculation makes for some good message board discussions, so that at least keeps us "armchair" AD's involved!!

Is there a possibility that USF President and UCF President are actually a lot more chummy then people think? They do work together a lot to push the "Tech Corridor" bringing more jobs to Central Florida. I wouldn't be surprised if these two presidents don't talk encouragingly about this exact move.

I think we will know by Dec-jan about two additions in 2012 and if Nova says yes then another squad added for 2014 or 2015. Either way I think UCF has a lot of positives and will be in the running for those spots.
My point will continue to be that if the Knights dont get in, then it wont be because USF was the ONLY one that objected to their addition.

Good luck rest of your season you guys have a good shot of being ranked and making some noise this year.

Also people keep this in mind, sometimes there are schools who legitimately don't want a school from their area into the conference and don't care about geography. If Louisville tried to get into the SEC and other schools accepted them we might see Kentucky try and block it. Same goes for Ohio State in the Big Ten with Cincinnati. Sometimes it's just a territorial battle.

(11-06-2010 08:15 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think we will know by Dec-jan about two additions in 2012 and if Nova says yes then another squad added for 2014 or 2015. Either way I think UCF has a lot of positives and will be in the running for those spots.
My point will continue to be that if the Knights dont get in, then it wont be because USF was the ONLY one that objected to their addition.

Good luck rest of your season you guys have a good shot of being ranked and making some noise this year.

Thanks Cuban ... Good luck to you guys as well!!