Best guesses I've seen lately give Israel somewhere in the 410-490 range. That makes them the third largest nuke power in the world.

(08-28-2011 05:00 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 09:42 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 07:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-27-2011 08:39 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(08-27-2011 08:36 PM)Rebel Wrote:  He's the leader of a now nuclear nation, Neville, you fuken retard. You don't have to take him serious; you just have to understand that he IS serious.

Gdamn, you liberals are f'n morons.

A country that "may" have 1 nuclear weapon is such a threat!!

One nuclear weapon is all they need to destroy Israel and BTW Israel is who he wants to destroy. Retard.

The Reichstag burns, and Hitler comes to power. No one took him seriously either.

Then let Israel deal with the problem and let us stay the hell out of it.

Btw, I have always been a little curious as to why it is permissable for Israel to have nukes and not others in the region.

I'm not afraid of Israel who has ~15 nuclear weapons, I'm terrified of the man who only wants one.

I say let the Israelis and the Arab states (who fear and loathe Iran btw) deal with Iran.

If you want to start ANOTHER war, you pay for it without borrowing for it or taxing me and you go find the people to fight it.

Iran can't really use its nuclear weapon and they know it. They have miserable relations with Al-Qaida. I'd rather they not have a nuke but other than invading, its not going to stop them from developing it.

The real problem in the region is RUSSIA, who keeps on giving Iran and (much more disturbingly) Syria nuclear technology.

I'd argue that North Korea's nukes make the world a hell of a lot more unstable.

Here's what I would tell any and all of the nuke wannabe's.

"We do not approve of your efforts to develop nuclear weapons, and we will do whatever we can to discourage you. If you persist despite that discouragement, you may succeed in developing a nuclear weapon. If you do develop such a weapon then understand this: If you use such a weapon, or attempt to use such a weapon, or allow anyone within your borders to use such a weapon or attempt to use such a weapon, we reserve the right to to treat such action as an attack on the United States and to retaliate against you with the full force of our nuclear arsenal. How lucky do you feel?"

(08-28-2011 09:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here's what I would tell any and all of the nuke wannabe's.

"We do not approve of your efforts to develop nuclear weapons, and we will do whatever we can to discourage you. If you persist despite that discouragement, you may succeed in developing a nuclear weapon. If you do develop such a weapon then understand this: If you use such a weapon, or attempt to use such a weapon, or allow anyone within your borders to use such a weapon or attempt to use such a weapon, we reserve the right to to treat such action as an attack on the United States and to retaliate against you with the full force of our nuclear arsenal. How lucky do you feel?"

A nuclear weapon without a return address would prevent any retaliation. People like Lazytom would have no courage or stomach for it, any threat of retaliation would then be an idle one.

(08-29-2011 04:29 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 09:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here's what I would tell any and all of the nuke wannabe's.
"We do not approve of your efforts to develop nuclear weapons, and we will do whatever we can to discourage you. If you persist despite that discouragement, you may succeed in developing a nuclear weapon. If you do develop such a weapon then understand this: If you use such a weapon, or attempt to use such a weapon, or allow anyone within your borders to use such a weapon or attempt to use such a weapon, we reserve the right to to treat such action as an attack on the United States and to retaliate against you with the full force of our nuclear arsenal. How lucky do you feel?"

A nuclear weapon without a return address would prevent any retaliation. People like Lazytom would have no courage or stomach for it, any threat of retaliation would then be an idle one.

Nukes pretty much have return addresses.

(08-29-2011 06:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Nukes pretty much have return addresses.

Correct statement. Nukes can't be 'wiped clean' like a pistol can.

If anyone wants to examine a nuke close up we can drop one on them...

(08-28-2011 05:00 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 09:42 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 07:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-27-2011 08:39 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(08-27-2011 08:36 PM)Rebel Wrote:  He's the leader of a now nuclear nation, Neville, you fuken retard. You don't have to take him serious; you just have to understand that he IS serious.

Gdamn, you liberals are f'n morons.

A country that "may" have 1 nuclear weapon is such a threat!!

One nuclear weapon is all they need to destroy Israel and BTW Israel is who he wants to destroy. Retard.

The Reichstag burns, and Hitler comes to power. No one took him seriously either.

Then let Israel deal with the problem and let us stay the hell out of it.

Btw, I have always been a little curious as to why it is permissable for Israel to have nukes and not others in the region.

I'm not afraid of Israel who has ~15 nuclear weapons, I'm terrified of the man who only wants one.

Of course you trust Israel. You didn't even have to say that. The problem is, Iran doesn't. Which is why they are supposedly trying to get a bomb. We don't trust Russia and Russia doesn't trust us. Why would it be any different in that region?

(08-29-2011 01:19 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Of course you trust Israel. You didn't even have to say that. The problem is, Iran doesn't. Which is why they are supposedly trying to get a bomb. We don't trust Russia and Russia doesn't trust us. Why would it be any different in that region?

Israel isn't the one rattling it's sabers at Iran, fool. Iran isn't doing this **** because they don't trust Israel; they're doing it because they want Israel destroyed.

I swear, I think most of you liberals were dropped on your heads from a very tall shelf as kids.

(08-29-2011 01:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 01:19 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Of course you trust Israel. You didn't even have to say that. The problem is, Iran doesn't. Which is why they are supposedly trying to get a bomb. We don't trust Russia and Russia doesn't trust us. Why would it be any different in that region?

Israel isn't the one rattling it's sabers at Iran, fool. Iran isn't doing this **** because they don't trust Israel; they're doing it because they want Israel destroyed.

I swear, I think most of you liberals were dropped on your heads from a very tall shelf as kids.

Whatever. THat must be a fun fantasy world you live in.

Why do people act like Israel can't protect themselves? It seems like it's America's problem first. Why is that? They could wipe Iran off the map if they wanted to.

(08-29-2011 01:36 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Why do people act like Israel can't protect themselves? It seems like it's America's problem first. Why is that? They could wipe Iran off the map if they wanted to.

Its hard to defend against Nuclear weapons. Especially if your nation is very small. That being said...

You're correct in that Israel seems to be above criticism in the American fundamentalist ideology.

Defending everything Israel does is NOT necessarily in US strategic interests.

There he goes again with the "American fundamentalist ideaology" talk...like only one group of people supports Isreal. This guy really has a problem with everyone unless they're gay.

(08-29-2011 01:58 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  There he goes again with the "American fundamentalist ideaology" talk...like only one group of people supports Isreal. This guy really has a problem with everyone unless they're gay.

No..but as someone whose been to Israel a dozen times, I know that most ISREALIS don't slavishly support the 'settler party crazies' like the John Hagees etc.

Israel is a good nation (especially the Tel Aviv side of it) but it isn't perfect.

Can you name ONE tea party politician or fundamentalist preacher that has criticized Israel on any political issue? I have difficulty identifying one.

A. Why can't they just be preachers?
B. How would anyone find that anyway?
C. Do you believe in Heaven?

Lazy Tom hates Christians. We get it. You have made that point in almost every thread.

(08-29-2011 02:29 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Lazy Tom hates Christians. We get it. You have made that point in almost every thread.

Typical leftist Prog. He'll trash Christians but defend Muslims, who would just as soon behead his dumb***.

(08-29-2011 02:26 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  A. Why can't they just be preachers?
B. How would anyone find that anyway?
C. Do you believe in Heaven?

A. I asked for tea party politicians or fundamentalist preachers, who appear to slavishly support Shas or Likud (Israeli political parties) no matter what counterproductive policies they engage in. Their sycophantic support encourages policies that are, IMHO, counter to AMERICAN policy objectives and ISRAELI peace objectives. The United States, as a major funder of Israel does have a responsibility to help its friend Israel by calling them out when they do stupid things. Just like I would do if a buddy of mine did something stupid. Real friendship is not slavish agreement.

B. I can't find it. That's why I asked. There's this idiotic 'end times' strain that is all over dominionist American xtianity that says that we need to encourage all Jews to move to Israel to hasten the 'end times'. This is not a good policy, IMHO.

C. Irrelevant. I might be a member of America's fastest growing religion, "Decline to State/None". I might be a Christian (as I define it). I might be Jewish. But it has no place in a debate on policy issues.

(08-29-2011 02:31 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 02:29 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Lazy Tom hates Christians. We get it. You have made that point in almost every thread.

Typical leftist Prog. He'll trash Christians but defend Muslims, who would just as soon behead his dumb***.

So trashing Christians like FWI and WCF who work with Iran to escape condemnation for executing Gays is somehow supportive of Iran??? WTF.

For the record, Ramallah (the capital of the Palestinian Authority) has the same number of Gay bars as Jerusalem. Amman and Beirut have more Gay bars than J'lem. I've been to all three cities. And J'lem is little better than Amman. And American xtian fundamentalists and their allies have applied pressure on the Israeli government to deny the rights of freedom of speech, petition, protest, assembly, association, and expression by Israeli Gay citizens in their national capital.

Iran is awful. So is Saudi Arabia. So are those American xtian Fundamentalists who support their vile policies at the UN.

I feel safer in Ramallah than I do in Mod'ain or Ariel or Mea Sharim.

(08-29-2011 02:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 02:26 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  A. Why can't they just be preachers?
B. How would anyone find that anyway?
C. Do you believe in Heaven?

A. I asked for tea party politicians or fundamentalist preachers, who appear to slavishly support Shas or Likud (Israeli political parties) no matter what counterproductive policies they engage in. Their sycophantic support encourages policies that are, IMHO, counter to AMERICAN policy objectives and ISRAELI peace objectives. The United States, as a major funder of Israel does have a responsibility to help its friend Israel by calling them out when they do stupid things. Just like I would do if a buddy of mine did something stupid. Real friendship is not slavish agreement.

B. I can't find it. That's why I asked. There's this idiotic 'end times' strain that is all over dominionist American xtianity that says that we need to encourage all Jews to move to Israel to hasten the 'end times'. This is not a good policy, IMHO.

C. Irrelevant. I might be a member of America's fastest growing religion, "Decline to State/None". I might be a Christian (as I define it). I might be Jewish. But it has no place in a debate on policy issues.

I don't know a preacher who supports a political party in Israel. Politicians should support Israel with certain issues and if it has no place in policy debates why do you keep bringing it up?