(08-29-2011 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:20 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  A Christian is defined as someone who believes in the holy trinity. They also display compassion, respect for others, and do not seek to use compulsion to gain adherents. They lead by example, but do not seek to ban others from living their own lives.

In my definition, they do NOT have to accept the fundamentalist Bible as a literal work.

There are many Christians in the USA. There are unfortunately, many xtians, who seek to compel, engage in no compassion, have no respect for others, and tarnish the faith by using it for their own political (temporal) power. They assume that they, and they alone, are capable of understanding God's wisdom and grace.

I use the term xtian as to not tar real Christians, many of whom I profoundly disagree with on issues, with the scorn that the modern day money changers in temple deserve.

So if they don't have to believe in the Bible, what do they base their beliefs on?

So what should Christians believe about Homosexuality?

They don't have to base it on your interpretation of the Bible.

Christians should believe that Jesus said nothing about being Gay. And that being Gay and being Christian are not mutually exclusive anymore than being divorced and being Christian. Or wearing leather and being Christian. Or eating shellfish and being Christian. Or violating the sabbath (Tim Tebow) and being Christian....I could go on for days..

And that they shouldn't attempt to abuse Gays into conversion but to lead by example. And to accept that 99% of Gays will reject their vision of a single, lonely life, as a 'celebate' Gay.

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

Tom just keeps regurgitating the same brain damage over and over...even after his lies have been uncovered.

X in Lazybrook is an angry xsexual who doesn't like Christians.

(08-29-2011 03:36 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:20 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  A Christian is defined as someone who believes in the holy trinity. They also display compassion, respect for others, and do not seek to use compulsion to gain adherents. They lead by example, but do not seek to ban others from living their own lives.

In my definition, they do NOT have to accept the fundamentalist Bible as a literal work.

There are many Christians in the USA. There are unfortunately, many xtians, who seek to compel, engage in no compassion, have no respect for others, and tarnish the faith by using it for their own political (temporal) power. They assume that they, and they alone, are capable of understanding God's wisdom and grace.

I use the term xtian as to not tar real Christians, many of whom I profoundly disagree with on issues, with the scorn that the modern day money changers in temple deserve.

So if they don't have to believe in the Bible, what do they base their beliefs on?

So what should Christians believe about Homosexuality?

They don't have to base it on your interpretation of the Bible.

Christians should believe that Jesus said nothing about being Gay. And that being Gay and being Christian are not mutually exclusive anymore than being divorced and being Christian. Or wearing leather and being Christian. Or eating shellfish and being Christian. Or violating the sabbath (Tim Tebow) and being Christian....I could go on for days..

And that they shouldn't attempt to abuse Gays into conversion but to lead by example. And to accept that 99% of Gays will reject their vision of a single, lonely life, as a 'celebate' Gay.

These quotes don't leave much to "interpret" the wrong way...

•Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
•Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
•1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
•Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

And when you stop wearing leather and stop eating shrimp, call me back mmkay?

(08-29-2011 04:10 PM)Paul M Wrote:  X in Lazybrook is an angry xsexual who doesn't like Christians.

Thats really funny...

(08-29-2011 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:20 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  A Christian is defined as someone who believes in the holy trinity. They also display compassion, respect for others, and do not seek to use compulsion to gain adherents. They lead by example, but do not seek to ban others from living their own lives.

In my definition, they do NOT have to accept the fundamentalist Bible as a literal work.

There are many Christians in the USA. There are unfortunately, many xtians, who seek to compel, engage in no compassion, have no respect for others, and tarnish the faith by using it for their own political (temporal) power. They assume that they, and they alone, are capable of understanding God's wisdom and grace.

I use the term xtian as to not tar real Christians, many of whom I profoundly disagree with on issues, with the scorn that the modern day money changers in temple deserve.

So if they don't have to believe in the Bible, what do they base their beliefs on?

So what should Christians believe about Homosexuality?

They don't have to base it on your interpretation of the Bible.

Christians should believe that Jesus said nothing about being Gay. And that being Gay and being Christian are not mutually exclusive anymore than being divorced and being Christian. Or wearing leather and being Christian. Or eating shellfish and being Christian. Or violating the sabbath (Tim Tebow) and being Christian....I could go on for days..

And that they shouldn't attempt to abuse Gays into conversion but to lead by example. And to accept that 99% of Gays will reject their vision of a single, lonely life, as a 'celebate' Gay.

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

Advocating laws to get all Gays fired from their jobs, deny them equal pay for equal work, not allow them and their partners to live in the same country, saying we rape children, etc. I could go on for days. Ladies and Gentlemen, that would be the policy positions of Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Convention.. Or Fred Phelps. There's actually little different as far as policy differences between the two (except that Phelps protests funerals and holds signs with stick porn).

(08-29-2011 03:36 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Keep calling them "xtians". I'm sure it'll work out well for dumbasses like you.

The fastest growing religious group in the USA is 'decline to state/none'. And even the fundamentalist pollsters show that their homophobia is causing them serious PR problems in the straight community.

Hey, if someone acts like a Christian, I'll use that term. It hardly applies to Rick Perry, Tim Wildmon, Pat Robertson, Albert Mohler, Don Feder, Michelle Bachmann, John Hagee, Joel Osteen etc. So I use xtian to describe them.

(08-29-2011 04:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:20 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  A Christian is defined as someone who believes in the holy trinity. They also display compassion, respect for others, and do not seek to use compulsion to gain adherents. They lead by example, but do not seek to ban others from living their own lives.

In my definition, they do NOT have to accept the fundamentalist Bible as a literal work.

There are many Christians in the USA. There are unfortunately, many xtians, who seek to compel, engage in no compassion, have no respect for others, and tarnish the faith by using it for their own political (temporal) power. They assume that they, and they alone, are capable of understanding God's wisdom and grace.

I use the term xtian as to not tar real Christians, many of whom I profoundly disagree with on issues, with the scorn that the modern day money changers in temple deserve.

So if they don't have to believe in the Bible, what do they base their beliefs on?

So what should Christians believe about Homosexuality?

They don't have to base it on your interpretation of the Bible.

Christians should believe that Jesus said nothing about being Gay. And that being Gay and being Christian are not mutually exclusive anymore than being divorced and being Christian. Or wearing leather and being Christian. Or eating shellfish and being Christian. Or violating the sabbath (Tim Tebow) and being Christian....I could go on for days..

And that they shouldn't attempt to abuse Gays into conversion but to lead by example. And to accept that 99% of Gays will reject their vision of a single, lonely life, as a 'celebate' Gay.

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

Advocating laws to get all Gays fired from their jobs, deny them equal pay for equal work, not allow them and their partners to live in the same country, saying we rape children, etc. I could go on for days. Ladies and Gentlemen, that would be the policy positions of Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Convention.. Or Fred Phelps. There's actually little different as far as policy differences between the two (except that Phelps protests funerals and holds signs with stick porn).

You didn't answer my questions. You just jumped to some sensationalized/emotional tirade. Now my questions where....

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

(08-29-2011 04:41 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:20 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  So if they don't have to believe in the Bible, what do they base their beliefs on?

So what should Christians believe about Homosexuality?

They don't have to base it on your interpretation of the Bible.

Christians should believe that Jesus said nothing about being Gay. And that being Gay and being Christian are not mutually exclusive anymore than being divorced and being Christian. Or wearing leather and being Christian. Or eating shellfish and being Christian. Or violating the sabbath (Tim Tebow) and being Christian....I could go on for days..

And that they shouldn't attempt to abuse Gays into conversion but to lead by example. And to accept that 99% of Gays will reject their vision of a single, lonely life, as a 'celebate' Gay.

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

Advocating laws to get all Gays fired from their jobs, deny them equal pay for equal work, not allow them and their partners to live in the same country, saying we rape children, etc. I could go on for days. Ladies and Gentlemen, that would be the policy positions of Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Convention.. Or Fred Phelps. There's actually little different as far as policy differences between the two (except that Phelps protests funerals and holds signs with stick porn).

You didn't answer my questions. You just jumped to some sensationalized/emotional tirade. Now my questions where....

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

When you tell me what Jesus said about being Gay, I'll respond to it.

If you advocate, as many fundamentalists do, denying someone the ability to make a living, denying them public accomodations, or the ability to live in the same country with the one they love, then you are advocating a public policy punishment for being Gay. In other words, you would be advocating to use the power of the state to punish Gays into abiding by fundamentalist laws.

(08-29-2011 04:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:41 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They don't have to base it on your interpretation of the Bible.

Christians should believe that Jesus said nothing about being Gay. And that being Gay and being Christian are not mutually exclusive anymore than being divorced and being Christian. Or wearing leather and being Christian. Or eating shellfish and being Christian. Or violating the sabbath (Tim Tebow) and being Christian....I could go on for days..

And that they shouldn't attempt to abuse Gays into conversion but to lead by example. And to accept that 99% of Gays will reject their vision of a single, lonely life, as a 'celebate' Gay.

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

Advocating laws to get all Gays fired from their jobs, deny them equal pay for equal work, not allow them and their partners to live in the same country, saying we rape children, etc. I could go on for days. Ladies and Gentlemen, that would be the policy positions of Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Convention.. Or Fred Phelps. There's actually little different as far as policy differences between the two (except that Phelps protests funerals and holds signs with stick porn).

You didn't answer my questions. You just jumped to some sensationalized/emotional tirade. Now my questions where....

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

When you tell me what Jesus said about being Gay, I'll respond to it.

If you advocate, as many fundamentalists do, denying someone the ability to make a living, denying them public accomodations, or the ability to live in the same country with the one they love, then you are advocating a public policy punishment for being Gay. In other words, you would be advocating to use the power of the state to punish Gays into abiding by fundamentalist laws.

So what you are saying is that you can't answer my questions about what you said. And then you throw out some sensationalized crap.

(08-29-2011 04:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:41 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They don't have to base it on your interpretation of the Bible.

Christians should believe that Jesus said nothing about being Gay. And that being Gay and being Christian are not mutually exclusive anymore than being divorced and being Christian. Or wearing leather and being Christian. Or eating shellfish and being Christian. Or violating the sabbath (Tim Tebow) and being Christian....I could go on for days..

And that they shouldn't attempt to abuse Gays into conversion but to lead by example. And to accept that 99% of Gays will reject their vision of a single, lonely life, as a 'celebate' Gay.

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

Advocating laws to get all Gays fired from their jobs, deny them equal pay for equal work, not allow them and their partners to live in the same country, saying we rape children, etc. I could go on for days. Ladies and Gentlemen, that would be the policy positions of Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Convention.. Or Fred Phelps. There's actually little different as far as policy differences between the two (except that Phelps protests funerals and holds signs with stick porn).

You didn't answer my questions. You just jumped to some sensationalized/emotional tirade. Now my questions where....

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

When you tell me what Jesus said about being Gay, I'll respond to it.

If you advocate, as many fundamentalists do, denying someone the ability to make a living, denying them public accomodations, or the ability to live in the same country with the one they love, then you are advocating a public policy punishment for being Gay. In other words, you would be advocating to use the power of the state to punish Gays into abiding by fundamentalist laws.

Here you go Tom...feel free to respond.


•Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
•Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
•1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
•Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

(08-29-2011 06:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:29 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 09:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here's what I would tell any and all of the nuke wannabe's.
"We do not approve of your efforts to develop nuclear weapons, and we will do whatever we can to discourage you. If you persist despite that discouragement, you may succeed in developing a nuclear weapon. If you do develop such a weapon then understand this: If you use such a weapon, or attempt to use such a weapon, or allow anyone within your borders to use such a weapon or attempt to use such a weapon, we reserve the right to to treat such action as an attack on the United States and to retaliate against you with the full force of our nuclear arsenal. How lucky do you feel?"

A nuclear weapon without a return address would prevent any retaliation. People like Lazytom would have no courage or stomach for it, any threat of retaliation would then be an idle one.

Nukes pretty much have return addresses.

Is that signature instantaneous so retaliation can be just as instantaneous? No. There's the rub, if you have to wait to determine where the suitcase nuke came from the denial and certain distancing from the event, makes retaliation a distant memory of a possibility. Or, you want them to prove it in court.

(08-29-2011 06:19 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:41 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 04:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 03:58 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

Advocating laws to get all Gays fired from their jobs, deny them equal pay for equal work, not allow them and their partners to live in the same country, saying we rape children, etc. I could go on for days. Ladies and Gentlemen, that would be the policy positions of Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Convention.. Or Fred Phelps. There's actually little different as far as policy differences between the two (except that Phelps protests funerals and holds signs with stick porn).

You didn't answer my questions. You just jumped to some sensationalized/emotional tirade. Now my questions where....

But you just said the Bible isn't literal....so what should I beleive about Jesus and what he said? Can I just make stuff up? Will that get me into heaven?

And please tell me more about "abusing Gays into conversion."

When you tell me what Jesus said about being Gay, I'll respond to it.

If you advocate, as many fundamentalists do, denying someone the ability to make a living, denying them public accomodations, or the ability to live in the same country with the one they love, then you are advocating a public policy punishment for being Gay. In other words, you would be advocating to use the power of the state to punish Gays into abiding by fundamentalist laws.

Here you go Tom...feel free to respond.


•Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
•Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
•1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
•Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Leviticus was written by someone around the time of Moses. Not by Jesus.

Corinthians was written by Paul, not by Jesus. It was written in Greece. Jesus was never there.

Romans was written by Paul, not by Jesus. It was written in Greece. Jesus was never there.

If you wish to worship Paul, you are welcome to do so. But please, let me know what Jesus had to say about Gay persons.

(08-29-2011 06:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you wish to worship Paul, you are welcome to do so. But please, let me know what Jesus had to say about Gay persons.

Well, Christians know the Bible is the divinely inspired infallible word of God...per the Trinity Jesus is God. Ergo Jesus did say it. Read the Bible Tom. Your ignorance is astounding.

(08-29-2011 06:48 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 06:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you wish to worship Paul, you are welcome to do so. But please, let me know what Jesus had to say about Gay persons.

Well, Christians know the Bible is the divinely inspired infallible word of God...per the Trinity Jesus is God. Ergo Jesus did say it. Read the Bible Tom. Your ignorance is astounding.

Tom has already said the Bible is not be taken literal, so you are just wasting your time. I tried to dig deeper into his thought process, but he proved he really doesn't have one and just skips like a broken record.

I'm a Christian and I believe the Bible is divinely inspired, but reading a little about James I has caused me to have my doubts about its infallibility.

(08-29-2011 07:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I'm a Christian and I believe the Bible is divinely inspired, but reading a little about James I has caused me to have my doubts about its infallibility.

Man isn't infallible, just the words written and through those the lessons learned are whats infallible.

(08-29-2011 06:48 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 06:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you wish to worship Paul, you are welcome to do so. But please, let me know what Jesus had to say about Gay persons.

Well, Christians know the Bible is the divinely inspired infallible word of God...per the Trinity Jesus is God. Ergo Jesus did say it. Read the Bible Tom. Your ignorance is astounding.

Right after you tell me what Jesus had to say about Gay people. You wont answer it...because Jesus said NOTHING about Gay people. Nothing. At. All. Paul pulled some Old Testament stuff in, dropped the stuff he personally didn't like, and kept the stuff that fit his agenda.

You're ignorance of the inconsistent translation of Leviticus from the Old to the New Testiment (Leviticus -> Corinthians/Romans) is unsurprising.

But its probably pointless as you over on the other thread just said that Gay people lynched in other countries deserved it because they got uppity. Really? Do you THINK before you post? Do you THINK at all?

Who would Jesus lynch?

(08-29-2011 07:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 06:48 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-29-2011 06:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you wish to worship Paul, you are welcome to do so. But please, let me know what Jesus had to say about Gay persons.

Well, Christians know the Bible is the divinely inspired infallible word of God...per the Trinity Jesus is God. Ergo Jesus did say it. Read the Bible Tom. Your ignorance is astounding.

Right after you tell me what Jesus had to say about Gay people. You wont answer it...because Jesus said NOTHING about Gay people. Nothing. At. All. Paul pulled some Old Testament stuff in, dropped the stuff he personally didn't like, and kept the stuff that fit his agenda.

You're ignorance of the inconsistent translation of Leviticus from the Old to the New Testiment (Leviticus -> Corinthians/Romans) is unsurprising.

But its probably pointless as you over on the other thread just said that Gay people lynched in other countries deserved it because they got uppity. Really? Do you THINK before you post? Do you THINK at all?

Who would Jesus lynch?

You're the definition of a complete idiot.