Was it already posted'

http://wvgazette.com/Sports/todayssports...1108271505

"Because of what's happening in college football," Luck said, "it's important the Big East shows improvement."

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"I'm hearing [the SEC] doesn't know the fourth school," Luck continued. "I'm hearing if A&M goes, [the SEC] will temporarily have 13 [rather than the projected 14] schools, which is disappointing. It kind of keeps everyone on edge. Does the SEC take Virginia Tech? Missouri? It creates a year or two of increased insecurity."

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What the ACC has, though, is a 12-year television deal with ESPN that will pay each school anywhere from $11.9 to 13 million a year. Does Luck really believe the Big East can land that kind of coin?

"Yes," he said. "Ultimately what matters is the per-school payout. I'm confident, and all the football ADs are confident, we'll equal or surpass what the ACC has."

The Big East can start negotiating with networks next fall. The question is, will there be another league team added before then?

"All the ADs have agreed that if we can add value, we should," Luck said.

(08-28-2011 04:30 PM)Hoquista Wrote:  Was it already posted'

http://wvgazette.com/Sports/todayssports...1108271505

"Because of what's happening in college football," Luck said, "it's important the Big East shows improvement."

.....

"I'm hearing [the SEC] doesn't know the fourth school," Luck continued. "I'm hearing if A&M goes, [the SEC] will temporarily have 13 [rather than the projected 14] schools, which is disappointing. It kind of keeps everyone on edge. Does the SEC take Virginia Tech? Missouri? It creates a year or two of increased insecurity."

.....

What the ACC has, though, is a 12-year television deal with ESPN that will pay each school anywhere from $11.9 to 13 million a year. Does Luck really believe the Big East can land that kind of coin?

"Yes," he said. "Ultimately what matters is the per-school payout. I'm confident, and all the football ADs are confident, we'll equal or surpass what the ACC has."

The Big East can start negotiating with networks next fall. The question is, will there be another league team added before then?

"All the ADs have agreed that if we can add value, we should," Luck said.

I know I am beating a dead horse, but I can't stress enough how much I hope all the Big East school administrators have the vision to see what the Big East "could" become if they stick together.

A conference is only vulnerable if it allows itself to be, and that happens when schools are not committed.

I can't tell you how happy I would be to see the ACC keep all its current members and not add any others (which means they have no cause to renegotiate their current TV contract) then have the Big East bring in a couple more schools, sign a contract that exceeds the ACC's and also set up our own network.

That would make my year.

Luck is being mighty coy in that piece. that is all I will say.

"Everybody always compares conferences," he said. "But I think we are in as good or better shape than the conferences most discussed these days out there, the Big 12 and ACC."

So much for BE schools leaving for the ACC (WVU anyway).

I never thought WVU would go to the ACC (unless, of course, they invited all the old eastern indies). But there's a large portion of the WVU fanbase that seems to have the ACC on the brain...

Right now, no one (other than maybe TAM) knows where they are going to "end up". Everyone is checking out their options, leagues and schools. IF the SEC jumps to 14 at least we will see at least a 3 way taffy pull amongst the 3 less stable conferences and at that point anything could happen.

I'm calling it...when the smoke clears the BE will still be standing with new contract in hand and we aren't losing anybody.

(08-28-2011 05:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I'm calling it...when the smoke clears the BE will still be standing with new contract in hand and we aren't losing anybody.

That is what I am hoping for.

FYI

Thanks guys....
This will be much better.
CJ

Now, if we could just get rid of the first 9 pages cuz ain't nobody tryna go back an read all that haha

(08-29-2011 07:29 PM)krux Wrote:  Now, if we could just get rid of the first 9 pages cuz ain't nobody tryna go back an read all that haha

Son of a b1tch. now we have to split back up the topics. Dammit

(08-29-2011 07:29 PM)krux Wrote:  Now, if we could just get rid of the first 9 pages cuz ain't nobody tryna go back an read all that haha

Can't win for losing. Welcome Krux. You'll like this a bit better without the non-BE influence.

One of the rumors floating around WV is that the Pitt/WVU to the Big 12 is being explored, but that's just the tip of the iceburg. Lots of talk about a full BE football merger with the Big 12 to form an 18 team all sports league. It certainly isn't the most likely thing to happen but those stories are out there

(08-28-2011 05:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I never thought WVU would go to the ACC (unless, of course, they invited all the old eastern indies). But there's a large portion of the WVU fanbase that seems to have the ACC on the brain...

There's a reason for that Bit...every WVU premuim board is churning that info out. People who have always been on top of things are saying the votes are there for WVU if the ACC has an opening and WVU is interested

Jackson

Jackson, IMO if the ACC loses FSU and VT, that all changes...

I have privately wondered how the league can possibly be all smiles about their upcoming contract when there is so much internal strife within the league (much of it having been made public). Either these issues are well on their way to getting resolved, or things will be in the crapper, and everyone's putting up a good public front.

Whenever I start to feel good about the direction the BE is heading, some disruptive crap always pops up, such as was discussed in the Pittsburgh blog that Jackson linked.

(08-30-2011 11:46 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I have privately wondered how the league can possibly be all smiles about their upcoming contract when there is so much internal strife within the league (much of it having been made public). Either these issues are well on their way to getting resolved, or things will be in the crapper, and everyone's putting up a good public front.

Whenever I start to feel good about the direction the BE is heading, some disruptive crap always pops up, such as was discussed in the Pittsburgh blog that Jackson linked.

Amen!

(08-30-2011 12:04 PM)krux Wrote:  

(08-30-2011 11:46 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I have privately wondered how the league can possibly be all smiles about their upcoming contract when there is so much internal strife within the league (much of it having been made public). Either these issues are well on their way to getting resolved, or things will be in the crapper, and everyone's putting up a good public front.

Whenever I start to feel good about the direction the BE is heading, some disruptive crap always pops up, such as was discussed in the Pittsburgh blog that Jackson linked.

Amen!

I weigh the comments against the fact that the Big East turned down more money than the ACC currently gets. I then factor in that GTech is on probation, UNC is likely to get probation and Miami will be on life support, soon. Then I incorporate the variable that FSU and VPI are looking at the SEC with wandering eyes.

Once I process this info, I ask, "Would any Big East team want that?" Seriously, is there any real benefit to accept less money, in an unstable conference, that will always be 2nd, 3rd or 4th in popularity in its own region?

I understand the arguments for the ACC: Stability, academics, rivalries, better than the Big East, more money. But then I break it down:

Stability: With two or more schools having wandering eyes (FSU, VPI), stability is not so stable. This is overrated in the ACC as they have schools that the SEC, B1G 10 and Big East would like to have.

Academics: Yes, they have a consortium that shares academic and research. The Big East should start one and be more like the CIC. But when it comes down to the real measurements, the Big East schools are academically sound and excellent, especially if you include the Basketball schools. When boiled down, the ACC is just more arrogant than the Big East.

Rivalries: In truth, none of the Big East schools have real rivalries with any ACC teams, except for Miami and VPI. Syracuse wanted a rivalry with Miami but most agree that VPI and BC were not real rivalries, though, most of us hate VPI, but then, so does everyone else, so it's not really a rivalry. WVU would be most likely to claim a rivalry and it would be against VPI, with whom they had a longer tradition than most Big East teams. But VPI refuses to play WVU, not much of a rivalry when one school is too pansy to play you. As for ACC rivalries, outside the Carolina Four and UVA, what are the real rivalries? Miami-FSU.

ACC better than Big East: This is misnomer, though true last season and, perhaps the last couple seasons, but when considering the whole body of work, the Big East has exceeded the ACC, especially in BCS wins, OOC strength/wins and NC's (yes, Miami won ours, but they did os as a Big East school). Besides, outside of Miami and FSU, no ACC team has really done much the last 20 years (Clemson and VPI have done some, Clemson flashes of greatness, VPI beating up weak opponents for high win tallies, but they have NEVER been the old FSU-Anyone, Anywhere). If you look at basketball, then ther eis no comparisson, Duke and UNC, then nothing. My opinion is that DePaul and Seton Hall would be respectable in ACC basketball.

More Money: Since our front office turned down an offer that would have paid more than the ACC is getting and we expect something around $20MM, I think we can dispense with this claim.

When I think on these things, I become happy to stay with my Big East bretheren.

(08-30-2011 02:47 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Rivalries: In truth, none of the Big East schools have real rivalries with any ACC teams, except for Miami and VPI. Syracuse wanted a rivalry with Miami but most agree that VPI and BC were not real rivalries, though, most of us hate VPI, but then, so does everyone else, so it's not really a rivalry. WVU would be most likely to claim a rivalry and it would be against VPI, with whom they had a longer tradition than most Big East teams. But VPI refuses to play WVU, not much of a rivalry when one school is too pansy to play you. As for ACC rivalries, outside the Carolina Four and UVA, what are the real rivalries? Miami-FSU.

You forget WVU-Maryland. But that wasn't the only thing you missed. It was just the most glaring omission...

Great post H. I completely agree. However, it still seems that too many parties disagree on basic issues such as conference configuration. I just hope this gets worked out pretty soon.