BearcatOne Wrote:gomemphistigers1:

Here is some additional information I'd like to convey to you.

There are more Ole Miss fans in Memphis than there are Memphis State fans. Does Ole Miss still play some of its home football games in Memphis?

There are more SEC fans in Memphis than there are CUSA fans. There are probably more Arkansas fans in Memphis than there are Memphis State fans. And, since the University of Tennessee Medical Center is in Memphis, I am sure there are just as many, if not more, Tennessee fans in Memphis as there are Memphis State fans.

Ohio State has no campus or any other type of presence in Cincinnati. The same can't be said for Memphis State and the University of Tennessee. Even Ole Miss has a campus within minutes of downtown Memphis. Again, check out your own situation before criticizing others.

You Memphis State fans are not the majority of college sports fans in Memphis. You are the minority.

Memphis does not belong in the Big East. Make CUSA work. It's a good conference.

Go 'Cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Big East!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are crazy.

There may be (as a whole) more SEC fans in Memphis than there are Memphis fans, but there is no single school that has more fans in Memphis than the Tigers. Ole Miss has a lot of fans in Memphis, UT has a lot of fans in Memphis, Ark has some fans in Memphis as does Miss State, but the hometown university has the biggest fan base in this city.

BearcatOne Wrote:gomemphistigers1:

You are wrong. There are more Cincinnati fans in Cincinnati than there are Ohio State fans with more than 200,000 UC alums in the Cincinnati metro area.

It is true that our campus stadium only seats 35,000. However, how large is the on campus stadium at Memphs? Oh, I forgot! You don't have one. Neither do you have an on campus basketball arena. Don't talk smack until you check your own house or lack thereof.

P.S. Isn't it strue that when Memphis plays Ole Miss at the Liberty Bowl Stadium that Ole Miss fans always out number the Memphis fans?

Don't confuse Alumni as fans.

I know 2 Cinci Alumni in FLA...both a HUGE Ohio St fans.

I know a ton of USF and UCF Alumni....who are fans of either FSU or UF.

Don't confuse being a graduate of a certain school with being a "fan" of their athletic program.

Sad fact is....in many schools...a majority of students do not attend athletic events.

KL

PS. This is especially true for schools that have "Big Brothers" in their State.

Tigertate: You may be right. However, gomemphistiger1 ticked me off with his reference to the hated Ohio State.

KnightLight:

I don't know about UCF and USF vs. UF and FSU.

However, traditionally, it is true that many UC grads rooted for OSU football but that's because UC football left much to be desired. However, when it comes to basketball you will be hard pressed to find a UC grad who roots for the buckeyes.

This is especially true with younger UC grads. There are bitter feelings between UC and OSU dating back to the 1960s when UC beat OSU repeatedly to win the national basketbatball championships in 1961 and 1962. As a result, OSU has refused to play UC in basketball for 40+ years.

With football, things are now changing. UC's entrance into the Big East and the recent bearcat football success has triggered much more loyalty from UC grads. The fact that UC and OSU have renewed the football series also has helped to bring the UC faithful back home.

In other words, UC and OSU have a greater history of competition than UCF or USF has with UF or FSU.

The OSU vs. UC situation is more similar to the Louisville vs. Kentucky rivalry.

KnightLight:

You also have to take into consideration that UC is a much older university compared to UCF and USF. UC was established in 1819 and has played football longer than Ohio State has. It's unfortunatel that the UC football program floundered over the years but hopefully we are now headed in the right direction.

If you are interested, check the next televisioned UC vs. Ohio State football game. It's a bitter rivalry that's only played every other year or so. However, there is talk about starting a basketball series. I'm sure all the gloves would be off for that game. However, there are some UC fans who are not thrilled about a possible series with OSU because the buckeyes have dodged us for 40+ years.

We'll see what happens.

BearcatOne Wrote:Tigertate: You may be right. However, gomemphistiger1 ticked me off with his reference to the hated Ohio State.

Understood

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

BullsFanatic Wrote:

Quote:if the BE were to sign a contract with the LB, Steve Earhart would have to take his family out of town in the middle of the night and never again set foot in the state

If he's giving the bowl from Memphis to Tennessee? Somehow, I don't think the state will weep over Memphis losing a bowl.

Nobody in Tennesse outside of Memphis gives a crap about the Tigers.

oh please...there are more Ohio State fans in Cincy than Bear-cat fans...a sell-out for cincy is what 35,000 people...wow!

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

You are prob. right......however, this does not in itself make my statement false or void. Once again, I have lived in TN in Nashville and nobody in the state gives a crap about UM outside of Memphis.

I also have a hard time believing that the LB is so tied with UMTigers that they would not consider some other possibilities.
In other words I just don't buy this whole "as UM goes, so the LB goes" bull you tiger fans are saying.

PS:
My reference to you being right (more OSU fans than UC in Cincy) was in terms of football only and that's only bc Cincy football has floundered over the years and OSU has been strong.

In terms of basketball......OSU has no basketball support in Cincy (or Columbus for all that matters) and in terms of basketball....Cincy as a town is 100% PRO UC BEARCATS.

The Reds and Bungles bite and XU basketball is an exercise in futility and so for most years (under Huggins anyway) UC basketball has been he only semblance of winning Cincy as a city has so as a result....UC Basketball has no comparison in Cincinnati.

As for the entire state, UC Basketball was rated the 10th best program of all time by Street and Smith NOT OSU, NOT Xavier, NOT Dayton, or any of the other little schools in the state and certainly not Memphis.

I would expect bitterness toward UC since UC owns and has owned Memphis on the bball court.

GO BEARCATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

BullsFanatic Wrote:

Quote:if the BE were to sign a contract with the LB, Steve Earhart would have to take his family out of town in the middle of the night and never again set foot in the state

If he's giving the bowl from Memphis to Tennessee? Somehow, I don't think the state will weep over Memphis losing a bowl.

Nobody in Tennesse outside of Memphis gives a crap about the Tigers.

oh please...there are more Ohio State fans in Cincy than Bear-cat fans...a sell-out for cincy is what 35,000 people...wow!

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

You are prob. right......however, this does not in itself make my statement false or void. Once again, I have lived in TN in Nashville and nobody in the state gives a crap about UM outside of Memphis.

I also have a hard time believing that the LB is so tied with UMTigers that they would not consider some other possibilities.
In other words I just don't buy this whole "as UM goes, so the LB goes" bull you tiger fans are saying.

I don't think most tiger fans think that it is completely out of the realm of possibility that the liberty bowl could drop CUSA, but we do believe that if they do, it will not be for the conference that left out the hometown school. The liberty bowl could very well chose to include the SEC 4,5, or 6 and the ACC or some other conference, but not the big east. They have already expiremented with the big east in the Liberty bowl and the results were less than desired. Also most to all tiger supporters would probably boycott the bowl game if they included the big east and dropped CUSA.

BearcatOne Wrote:KnightLight:

You also have to take into consideration that UC is a much older university compared to UCF and USF. UC was established in 1819 and has played football longer than Ohio State has. It's unfortunatel that the UC football program floundered over the years but hopefully we are now headed in the right direction.

If you are interested, check the next televisioned UC vs. Ohio State football game. It's a bitter rivalry that's only played every other year or so. However, there is talk about starting a basketball series. I'm sure all the gloves would be off for that game. However, there are some UC fans who are not thrilled about a possible series with OSU because the buckeyes have dodged us for 40+ years.

We'll see what happens.

Good point about historic value...but also thru mine/your experience...replace USF/UCF with any MAC School...non-BCS Schools in TX, etc....and you might end up with the same results.

Understandable though around Cinci Hoops.

KL

Bearcats#1 Wrote:In other words I just don't buy this whole "as UM goes, so the LB goes" bull you tiger fans are saying.

You may very well be right ... but we're basing it exactly on what the Liberty Bowl execs have told us. So it is NOT B.S. on our part.

Maybe they have LIED to us? If so, then we'll have the same "stabbed us in the back" complaints I have read here about Boston College.

Bearcat, let me address a couple of things.

Mississippi brings a lot of fans to the Liberty Bowl when they play Memphis, but they have NEVER had the majority of the crowd. Not even close. At most, they've had 1/3 of the crowd in a 62,000 stadium

Regarding your concern over owning an on campus football stadium or BB arena, it's a weak attempt at an insult. Kentucky seems to do Ok in Rupp Arena. USC does well in the LA Coliseum. Miami does Ok in the Orange Bowl. All three of those venues are off campus. I don't think any of those programs would be trade places with the Bearcats.

Can you really say that OSU doesn't get BB support in Columbus? I call BS.

3601 Wrote:Bearcat, let me address a couple of things.

Mississippi brings a lot of fans to the Liberty Bowl when they play Memphis, but they have NEVER had the majority of the crowd. Not even close. At most, they've had 1/3 of the crowd in a 62,000 stadium

Regarding your concern over owning an on campus football stadium or BB arena, it's a weak attempt at an insult. Kentucky seems to do Ok in Rupp Arena. USC does well in the LA Coliseum. Miami does Ok in the Orange Bowl. All three of those venues are off campus. I don't think any of those programs would be trade places with the Bearcats.

Can you really say that OSU doesn't get BB support in Columbus? I call BS.

Excuse me for being a bit tongue in cheek.....

Concerning O$U basketball support in Columbus....yes they get some support but they are relegated to a level just above field hockey, baseball, track/field and other traditional non-revenue producing college sports. When the radio up here does do an update it calls them "the buckeye men’s basketball team" not "the Buckeyes"....in Columbus when the radio says "The Buckeyes it's a reference to the football team"....In Cincy "The Bearcats" means the "men’s basketball team" and "Bearcat Football" is just what it says. So do the "Men's Basketball Buckeyes" get support? Yes......is it support like UofL, UC, UK, and other BASKETBALL schools give their basketball teams? NO.

And NOBODY in Cincy sure has heck gives a rat's #$% about the "Men's Buckeye Basketball Team"......they are not a blip on the radar in Cincy during basketball season. Their scores are scrolled up the screen during basketball season with the likes of Akron, Bowling Green, and Ohio U under the title "Other Area Team Scores"...NO highlights.

UC Basketball however is the Shizdiggity during basketball season in Cincy!

Go BEARCATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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3601 Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

HoopDreams Wrote:keep dreaming......it really doesn't matter what news source reports what, since none of them are batting a thousand any way.....if the BE were to sign a contract with the LB, Steve Earhart would have to take his family out of town in the middle of the night and never again set foot in the state......in other words - aint going to happen.......

Nice, you'd threaten a man and his family over a football game.

Bottom line is the L-Bowl is shopping and has NCUSA on month to month rent.

LB is shopping, but I don't see C-USA going anywhere. We'll see.

LOL more wishful thinking by the Card fans.....the same picture, with an exception of black and gold colors, could be seen the three times SOUTHERN MISS was in the Liberty Bowl....The Cards never brought over 500 when they came to Hattiesburg......I sit just above the visiting fans section, and only Cal and Nebraska brought fans in large numbers with them.....The Liberty Bowl is set with Conference USA ve ACC...Mark it down.....

Not with the recent media reports. The C-USA/ACC is an old one, you now have a couple of media reports that it very well could be Big East/ND vs. SEC.

SEC schools travel and the Liberty Bowl knows they could get a crowd from Notre Dame, West Virginia and Louisville.

Yes they can get a crowd from Hattiesburg, BUT they would have trouble with Tulsa, Houston, Tulane, Rice, Southern Methodist, UCF, UAB ect ect. That is what the Liberty Bowl is afraid of.

As far as traveling to Hattiesburg, that is not the easiest place to go plus it Hattisburg for Godsakes. That place is a hellhole.

I've been all over this great country and looked at living in many places across the nation. I even looked into a job in Louisville once.

I currently live in Hattiesburg and wouldn't want to live anywhere else, including Louisville. Which is to say nothing against the city of Louisville, I'm sure it’s a fine city.

Describing Hattiesburg as a hellhole, smacks of ignorance, bias, or bigotry.

Hattiesburg is a very nice area that offers a very high quality of living. 118,000 people call Hattiesburg MSA home. We have two Universities, and two community colleges, that provide for education opportunities and entertainment as they offer art events such as music, art, and theatrical performances. The University also offers physical recreation through its campus facilities, such as a natatorium and a workout facility that is open for membership to the Hattiesburg community. We have several great golf courses in the area and have gotten recognition as a golf destination. We have a 41 mile paved trail for bike riding, running, walking, and horse back riding. We are within an hour’s drive of several larger cities that offer additional experiences, such as the Gulf Coast for gaming and New Orleans. There is a first rate Medical community in the area.
Here is a brief list of some the area attractions in Hattiesburg

12 Golf Courses in a 30-Mile Radius.
13 Libraries, Museums, and Galleries
4 Historic Districts and 10 Homes and Buildings Listed on the National Historic Register
6 Parks and Gardens
6 Camping Facilities
Hattiesburg Local Zoo

You mentioned it is hard to travel to Hattiesburg, interesting, since there is the Pine Belt regional airport that is serviced by Northwestern Airlines. Admittedly it isn't an international airport but it will get you here and it has gotten me personally all over this nation and to countries such as France.

By calling Hattiesburg a hellhole and saying it is hard to travel too is just displaying your ignorance and raises the question why you would need to fabricate such a lie?

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3601 Wrote:Bearcat, let me address a couple of things.

Mississippi brings a lot of fans to the Liberty Bowl when they play Memphis, but they have NEVER had the majority of the crowd.  Not even close.  At most, they've had 1/3 of the crowd in a 62,000 stadium

Regarding your concern over owning an on campus football stadium or BB arena, it's a weak attempt at an insult.  Kentucky seems to do Ok in Rupp Arena.  USC does well in the LA Coliseum.  Miami does Ok in the Orange Bowl.  All three of those venues are off campus.  I don't think any of those programs would be trade places with the Bearcats.

Can you really say that OSU doesn't get BB support in Columbus?  I call BS.

Excuse me for being a bit tongue in cheek.....

Concerning O$U basketball support in Columbus....yes they get some support but they are relegated to a level just above field hockey, baseball, track/field and other traditional non-revenue producing college sports. When the radio up here does do an update it calls them "the buckeye men’s basketball team" not "the Buckeyes"....in Columbus when the radio says "The Buckeyes it's a reference to the football team"....In Cincy "The Bearcats" means the "men’s basketball team" and "Bearcat Football" is just what it says. So do the "Men's Basketball Buckeyes" get support? Yes......is it support like UofL, UC, UK, and other BASKETBALL schools give their basketball teams? NO.

And NOBODY in Cincy sure has heck gives a rat's #$% about the "Men's Buckeye Basketball Team"......they are not a blip on the radar in Cincy during basketball season. Their scores are scrolled up the screen during basketball season with the likes of Akron, Bowling Green, and Ohio U under the title "Other Area Team Scores"...NO highlights.

UC Basketball however is the Shizdiggity during basketball season in Cincy!

Go BEARCATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortuntely for you, they could soon be changing. From what I hear, OSU is about to sign a class better than Michigan's Fab Five and one can't help but think that Huggins' lame duck status is going to kill UC recruiting the next couple of years.

By the way, according to NCAA stats OSU averaged 13K per game last year and UC avereaged 11K. I know that stats can be skewed, but it looks to me like OSU has a pretty good following.

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Quote: (BullsFanatic @ Jul 19 2005, 11:17 AM)

I can see it when Memphis fans post here. They will be Big East members soon enough 

Memphis will not be invited to the Big East as long as RC Johnson is the AD...however, if he quits or is fired, then we have a different ball game...

Quote:3601 Posted: Jul 19 2005, 02:12 PM 
You don't know 5hit from shinola. 

It is not a big secret that RC Johnson and Tom Jurich do not get along. And if Memphis wants in the Big East, they're gonna need Louisville's vote and support. It's that simple. I think if Jurich got along with the Memphis AD, that they could work their way in....but not while they are in a feud with the Cardinals.

This is also assuming Memphis maintains/improves their academic and athletic position.

Jurich is a business man first. If he is as brilliant as the Card fans say he is, he will be intelligent enough to not let personal differences get in the way of a good deal. If the split occurs and Memphis is the most logical choice for expansion, Jurich will vote for them. Once that happens you would see some very much improved relations between the 2 programs.

No it will not happen.

It is extremely naive to believe that personal feelings do not impact business decisions especially when the bottom line is only a marginal difference between competing interests. As we saw with the addition of USF, they are not heads and shoulders above Memphis. You always choose your business partners on how well you believe the group can work together unless of course the personal strength of an individual member is too obvious to ignore. In that case you hold your nose, capitulate and move forward.

RC made no friends in the Big East during his short stint at Temple.

And do not forget the Cal factor, from what I gather he rubbed many in the NE the wrong way duing his tenure at UMASS.

Sorry, but I very much beg to differ. If the situation came down to the BE needing a ninth school for the BE to thrive and Memphis represents the best possible choice for the BE to thrive, Jurich is savvy and shrewd enough to know what is best for the conference and his school and will act accordingly. Whether he likes the Memhis ad or not, he would vote for Memphis for selfish reasons that his program would benefit from. Its silly for anyone to even think otherwise in the world of big time college sports that is all about the $$$.

The reason USF got in and Memhis did not before is because memphis at the time had 1 winning season in fb in quite a few years, as opposed to USF who were pretty much already having several winning seasons. That coupled with the fact its in Fl. and the Tampa Market is 2 1/2 times the size of the Memhis Market. It was a no brainer decision at the time.

BC did some things that were much more detrimemtal to the BE than what memphis did to Louisville. If BC wanted to come back to the BE, dont think for a minute that the BE folks would not give it some very serious consideration. The feelings are much harder between the BE and BC than they are between Memphis and Louisville. But that will not get in the way of further stabilizing the BE conference, which BC would do.

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cuseroc Wrote:

BullsFanatic Wrote:

Quote: (BullsFanatic @ Jul 19 2005, 11:17 AM)

I can see it when Memphis fans post here. They will be Big East members soon enough 

Memphis will not be invited to the Big East as long as RC Johnson is the AD...however, if he quits or is fired, then we have a different ball game...

Quote:3601 Posted: Jul 19 2005, 02:12 PM  
You don't know 5hit from shinola. 

It is not a big secret that RC Johnson and Tom Jurich do not get along. And if Memphis wants in the Big East, they're gonna need Louisville's vote and support. It's that simple. I think if Jurich got along with the Memphis AD, that they could work their way in....but not while they are in a feud with the Cardinals.

This is also assuming Memphis maintains/improves their academic and athletic position.

Jurich is a business man first. If he is as brilliant as the Card fans say he is, he will be intelligent enough to not let personal differences get in the way of a good deal. If the split occurs and Memphis is the most logical choice for expansion, Jurich will vote for them. Once that happens you would see some very much improved relations between the 2 programs.

No it will not happen.

It is extremely naive to believe that personal feelings do not impact business decisions especially when the bottom line is only a marginal difference between competing interests. As we saw with the addition of USF, they are not heads and shoulders above Memphis. You always choose your business partners on how well you believe the group can work together unless of course the personal strength of an individual member is too obvious to ignore. In that case you hold your nose, capitulate and move forward.

RC made no friends in the Big East during his short stint at Temple.

And do not forget the Cal factor, from what I gather he rubbed many in the NE the wrong way duing his tenure at UMASS.

Sorry, but I very much beg to differ. If the situation came down to the BE needing a ninth school for the BE to thrive and Memphis represents the best possible choice for the BE to thrive, Jurich is savvy and shrewd enough to know what is best for the conference and his school and will act accordingly. Whether he likes the Memhis ad or not, he would vote for Memphis for selfish reasons that his program would benefit from. Its silly for anyone to even think otherwise in the world of big time college sports that is all about the $$$.

The reason USF got in and Memhis did not before is because memphis at the time had 1 winning season in fb in quite a few years, as opposed to USF who were pretty much already having several winning seasons. That coupled with the fact its in Fl. and the Tampa Market is 2 1/2 times the size of the Memhis Market. It was a no brainer decision at the time.

BC did some things that were much more detrimemtal to the BE than what memphis did to Louisville. If BC wanted to come back to the BE, dont think for a minute that the BE folks would not give it some very serious consideration. The feelings are much harder between the BE and BC than they are between Memphis and Louisville. But that will not get in the way of further stabilizing the BE conference, which BC would do.

You can differ all you like. I was told this by an associate athletic director; (edit)as long as RC is there their chances are slim and none.

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Quote: (BullsFanatic @ Jul 19 2005, 11:17 AM)

I can see it when Memphis fans post here. They will be Big East members soon enough 

Memphis will not be invited to the Big East as long as RC Johnson is the AD...however, if he quits or is fired, then we have a different ball game...

Quote:3601 Posted: Jul 19 2005, 02:12 PM 
You don't know 5hit from shinola. 

It is not a big secret that RC Johnson and Tom Jurich do not get along. And if Memphis wants in the Big East, they're gonna need Louisville's vote and support. It's that simple. I think if Jurich got along with the Memphis AD, that they could work their way in....but not while they are in a feud with the Cardinals.

This is also assuming Memphis maintains/improves their academic and athletic position.

Jurich is a business man first. If he is as brilliant as the Card fans say he is, he will be intelligent enough to not let personal differences get in the way of a good deal. If the split occurs and Memphis is the most logical choice for expansion, Jurich will vote for them. Once that happens you would see some very much improved relations between the 2 programs.

No it will not happen.

It is extremely naive to believe that personal feelings do not impact business decisions especially when the bottom line is only a marginal difference between competing interests. As we saw with the addition of USF, they are not heads and shoulders above Memphis. You always choose your business partners on how well you believe the group can work together unless of course the personal strength of an individual member is too obvious to ignore. In that case you hold your nose, capitulate and move forward.

RC made no friends in the Big East during his short stint at Temple.

And do not forget the Cal factor, from what I gather he rubbed many in the NE the wrong way duing his tenure at UMASS.

Sorry, but I very much beg to differ. If the situation came down to the BE needing a ninth school for the BE to thrive and Memphis represents the best possible choice for the BE to thrive, Jurich is savvy and shrewd enough to know what is best for the conference and his school and will act accordingly. Whether he likes the Memhis ad or not, he would vote for Memphis for selfish reasons that his program would benefit from. Its silly for anyone to even think otherwise in the world of big time college sports that is all about the $$$.

The reason USF got in and Memhis did not before is because memphis at the time had 1 winning season in fb in quite a few years, as opposed to USF who were pretty much already having several winning seasons. That coupled with the fact its in Fl. and the Tampa Market is 2 1/2 times the size of the Memhis Market. It was a no brainer decision at the time.

BC did some things that were much more detrimemtal to the BE than what memphis did to Louisville. If BC wanted to come back to the BE, dont think for a minute that the BE folks would not give it some very serious consideration. The feelings are much harder between the BE and BC than they are between Memphis and Louisville. But that will not get in the way of further stabilizing the BE conference, which BC would do.

You can differ all you like. I was told this by an associate athletic director; (edit)as long as RC is there their chances are slim and none.

Yeah and BC officials said they were committed to the BE. Things change, and you can best believe that if the BE's future was at stake and Memphis was the best choice to help the conference that Jurich would vote for Memphis in a New York minute. To believe that someone as savvy as Jurich would make a decision that he knowingly could prove detrimental to the BE and Louisville is foolish. Especially over something that is as petty as what you guys say has been the problem.

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BullsFanatic Wrote:

Quote: (BullsFanatic @ Jul 19 2005, 11:17 AM)

I can see it when Memphis fans post here. They will be Big East members soon enough 

Memphis will not be invited to the Big East as long as RC Johnson is the AD...however, if he quits or is fired, then we have a different ball game...

Quote:3601 Posted: Jul 19 2005, 02:12 PM  
You don't know 5hit from shinola. 

It is not a big secret that RC Johnson and Tom Jurich do not get along. And if Memphis wants in the Big East, they're gonna need Louisville's vote and support. It's that simple. I think if Jurich got along with the Memphis AD, that they could work their way in....but not while they are in a feud with the Cardinals.

This is also assuming Memphis maintains/improves their academic and athletic position.

Jurich is a business man first. If he is as brilliant as the Card fans say he is, he will be intelligent enough to not let personal differences get in the way of a good deal. If the split occurs and Memphis is the most logical choice for expansion, Jurich will vote for them. Once that happens you would see some very much improved relations between the 2 programs.

No it will not happen.

It is extremely naive to believe that personal feelings do not impact business decisions especially when the bottom line is only a marginal difference between competing interests. As we saw with the addition of USF, they are not heads and shoulders above Memphis. You always choose your business partners on how well you believe the group can work together unless of course the personal strength of an individual member is too obvious to ignore. In that case you hold your nose, capitulate and move forward.

RC made no friends in the Big East during his short stint at Temple.

And do not forget the Cal factor, from what I gather he rubbed many in the NE the wrong way duing his tenure at UMASS.

Sorry, but I very much beg to differ. If the situation came down to the BE needing a ninth school for the BE to thrive and Memphis represents the best possible choice for the BE to thrive, Jurich is savvy and shrewd enough to know what is best for the conference and his school and will act accordingly. Whether he likes the Memhis ad or not, he would vote for Memphis for selfish reasons that his program would benefit from. Its silly for anyone to even think otherwise in the world of big time college sports that is all about the $$$.

The reason USF got in and Memhis did not before is because memphis at the time had 1 winning season in fb in quite a few years, as opposed to USF who were pretty much already having several winning seasons. That coupled with the fact its in Fl. and the Tampa Market is 2 1/2 times the size of the Memhis Market. It was a no brainer decision at the time.

BC did some things that were much more detrimemtal to the BE than what memphis did to Louisville. If BC wanted to come back to the BE, dont think for a minute that the BE folks would not give it some very serious consideration. The feelings are much harder between the BE and BC than they are between Memphis and Louisville. But that will not get in the way of further stabilizing the BE conference, which BC would do.

You can differ all you like. I was told this by an associate athletic director; (edit)as long as RC is there their chances are slim and none.

Yeah and BC officials said they were committed to the BE. Things change, and you can best believe that if the BE's future was at stake and Memphis was the best choice to help the conference that Jurich would vote for Memphis in a New York minute. To believe that someone as savvy as Jurich would make a decision that he knowingly could prove detrimental to the BE and Louisville is foolish. Especially over something that is as petty as what you guys say has been the problem.

Please read my previous posts again. We are not disagreeing. If Memphis was the obvious choice which some believe they are/were over USF of course they would be in. I'm telling you that that realtionship IS a factor. This is straight from the mouth of one of those involved.

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Quote: (BullsFanatic @ Jul 19 2005, 11:17 AM)

I can see it when Memphis fans post here. They will be Big East members soon enough 

Memphis will not be invited to the Big East as long as RC Johnson is the AD...however, if he quits or is fired, then we have a different ball game...

Quote:3601 Posted: Jul 19 2005, 02:12 PM 
You don't know 5hit from shinola. 

It is not a big secret that RC Johnson and Tom Jurich do not get along. And if Memphis wants in the Big East, they're gonna need Louisville's vote and support. It's that simple. I think if Jurich got along with the Memphis AD, that they could work their way in....but not while they are in a feud with the Cardinals.

This is also assuming Memphis maintains/improves their academic and athletic position.

Jurich is a business man first. If he is as brilliant as the Card fans say he is, he will be intelligent enough to not let personal differences get in the way of a good deal. If the split occurs and Memphis is the most logical choice for expansion, Jurich will vote for them. Once that happens you would see some very much improved relations between the 2 programs.

No it will not happen.

It is extremely naive to believe that personal feelings do not impact business decisions especially when the bottom line is only a marginal difference between competing interests. As we saw with the addition of USF, they are not heads and shoulders above Memphis. You always choose your business partners on how well you believe the group can work together unless of course the personal strength of an individual member is too obvious to ignore. In that case you hold your nose, capitulate and move forward.

RC made no friends in the Big East during his short stint at Temple.

And do not forget the Cal factor, from what I gather he rubbed many in the NE the wrong way duing his tenure at UMASS.

Sorry, but I very much beg to differ. If the situation came down to the BE needing a ninth school for the BE to thrive and Memphis represents the best possible choice for the BE to thrive, Jurich is savvy and shrewd enough to know what is best for the conference and his school and will act accordingly. Whether he likes the Memhis ad or not, he would vote for Memphis for selfish reasons that his program would benefit from. Its silly for anyone to even think otherwise in the world of big time college sports that is all about the $$$.

The reason USF got in and Memhis did not before is because memphis at the time had 1 winning season in fb in quite a few years, as opposed to USF who were pretty much already having several winning seasons. That coupled with the fact its in Fl. and the Tampa Market is 2 1/2 times the size of the Memhis Market. It was a no brainer decision at the time.

BC did some things that were much more detrimemtal to the BE than what memphis did to Louisville. If BC wanted to come back to the BE, dont think for a minute that the BE folks would not give it some very serious consideration. The feelings are much harder between the BE and BC than they are between Memphis and Louisville. But that will not get in the way of further stabilizing the BE conference, which BC would do.

You can differ all you like. I was told this by an associate athletic director; (edit)as long as RC is there their chances are slim and none.

Yeah and BC officials said they were committed to the BE. Things change, and you can best believe that if the BE's future was at stake and Memphis was the best choice to help the conference that Jurich would vote for Memphis in a New York minute. To believe that someone as savvy as Jurich would make a decision that he knowingly could prove detrimental to the BE and Louisville is foolish. Especially over something that is as petty as what you guys say has been the problem.

Please read my previous posts again. We are not disagreeing. If Memphis was the obvious choice which some believe they are/were over USF of course they would be in. I'm telling you that that realtionship IS a factor. This is straight from the mouth of one of those involved.

Fair enough. I agree that feelings has something to do with these deals, but not to the point that Jurich is going to purposefully make bad decisions for the conference and louisville to try to spite Memphis.