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MemTGRS Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:The folks who are doing the most crying about the BE is  non bcs folks who dont know their place in the world.
I'm sure it will be just scoffed off as a "bitter CUSA fan", but the above quote is a perfect example of why the BCS is a rotten caste system. So Duke and Baylor are more worthy football programs and Utah and pre-2005 Louisville should know their roles?
LOL. That was a sarcastic statement pointed towards all fans from non bcs conferences who insist on coming to the BE board and pointing out our perceived problems, while at the same time ignoring their own problems.

Why are their so many CUSA fans on this board that feel that they have to point to problems of the BE? Sure the BE has some problems, but the folks who are in the know are doing a good job handling the problems. But the only folks that really seem to have a problem with the BE are CUSA fans. There are no SEC, Big 10, Big12, Pac 10 or even acc folks coming to our boards and pointing out our problems. Just envious CUSA folks. Since its been pointed out that the other bcs conferences have such problems with the BE being in the bcs, where are they? You would think they would be the ones to be on this board complaining, since they are so upset.
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O.G. Eagle Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:
MemTGRS Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:The folks who are doing the most crying about the BE is  non bcs folks who dont know their place in the world.
I'm sure it will be just scoffed off as a "bitter CUSA fan", but the above quote is a perfect example of why the BCS is a rotten caste system. So Duke and Baylor are more worthy football programs and Utah and pre-2005 Louisville should know their roles?
LOL. That was a sarcastic statement pointed towards all fans from non bcs conferences who insist on coming to the BE board and pointing out our perceived problems, while at the same time ignoring their own problems.

Why are their so many CUSA fans on this board that feel that they have to point to problems of the BE? Sure the BE has some problems, but the folks who are in the know are doing a good job handling the problems. But the only folks that really seem to have a problem with the BE are CUSA fans. There are no SEC, Big 10, Big12, Pac 10 or even acc folks coming to our boards and pointing out our problems. Just envious CUSA folks. Since its been pointed out that the other bcs conferences have such problems with the BE being in the bcs, where are they? You would think they would be the ones to be on this board complaining, since they are so upset.
Envious?...ROTFLOL!.....envious of what?......the BCS dropping the Big East like a hot potato in a few years....yep...we're envious....lol.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Yes, envious. OG Eagle we will be in the BCS as long as there is a BCS. Too bad some of you C-USA fans can't realize that.

You were one of those that stated we would lose the bid back in 2003, it did not happen. Then we were going to lose it in 2005 and guess what it did not happen.

We have our BCS Bid, the Gator/Sun Bowl and looks like we will pick up the Music City and the Tire Bowl with a shot at the Liberty as well-(BTW you better hope ole Britton can hang on to that for you).
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of course you are not jealous,who would think that LOL.
Lets see in the old CUSA boards i heard some USM fans say:
1.The BE will not have a BCS slot. WRONG
2.The BE will NOT be able to use UL's ranking. WRONG
3. The Memphis AD says USF is NOT going to BE. WRONG
So now the tune is the BE will lose their bids in the next few years.OK sure if you guys say so but hee is a hint for you, the BE DOES HAVE a YEARLY BCS slot for at least the next FOUR years you guys cant say the same.
Those crystal balls are sure muddy in mississippi.
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cuseroc Wrote:
MemTGRS Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:The folks who are doing the most crying about the BE is  non bcs folks who dont know their place in the world.
I'm sure it will be just scoffed off as a "bitter CUSA fan", but the above quote is a perfect example of why the BCS is a rotten caste system. So Duke and Baylor are more worthy football programs and Utah and pre-2005 Louisville should know their roles?
LOL. That was a sarcastic statement pointed towards all fans from non bcs conferences who insist on coming to the BE board and pointing out our perceived problems, while at the same time ignoring their own problems.

Why are their so many CUSA fans on this board that feel that they have to point to problems of the BE? Sure the BE has some problems, but the folks who are in the know are doing a good job handling the problems. But the only folks that really seem to have a problem with the BE are CUSA fans. There are no SEC, Big 10, Big12, Pac 10 or even acc folks coming to our boards and pointing out our problems. Just envious CUSA folks. Since its been pointed out that the other bcs conferences have such problems with the BE being in the bcs, where are they? You would think they would be the ones to be on this board complaining, since they are so upset.
Nowhere did I say that the Big East was unworthy of the BCS.

The BCS, itself, remains a rotten caste system that is shameless regardless of who is in it and who is not.
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The reason these conference USA ppl are coming over is the same reason us big easters a few years back were so pissed off at the acc for stealing our members. There is no reason to not let them vent a little bit. We know how it feels to be stabbed in the back so we do understand what they are going through. However that being said the Big East will survive and will be fine...we have not even played a down in the new system and everone is up in arms about how many problems we have. The problems will be played out on the field period in both conferences.
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St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:The focal point is that eventually the BE is going to have to stand on their own, and get Bowl games through the accomplishments of their actual football playing conference members, not through some loose affiliation with ND. Ask the WVU coach what he thinks of the arrangement. It isn't right that a legitimate BE member busts their behinds all year, looks forward to a New Years Day game and get the rug pulled from them because ND didn't have a season like they wanted and backs into a Bowl that they really don't have a passion for.
Stop acting like you care about the welfare of the other Big East schools, you just got done trashing the freaking conference! Why are you worried about Notre Dame anyway, though you forget they're partial members of the Big East conference.
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St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:Hey Cuseroc you asked a question and I gave you an answer. If you don't like the answer or can't handle the answer, then too bad. Getting a welfare check doesn't improve the way your  Conf or your schools are perceived across the football landscape. A team that refuses to join your football conference has to carry you guys no matter where you go. Until that, along with the overall strength of the NBE improves dramatically, everybody is going to be on your case and work towards BCS reform, and that includes the other BCS conferences that are still befuddled  on how in the world you guys  could still  recieve a BCS penny.
Yeah, the other BCS conferences are so befuddled that the Big East, Pac-10 and Big 12 SUPPORTED the Big East keeping their conference, with the Big 12 vocally supporting the Big East. Yeah, they sounded REAL befuddled. So you can whine and stomp your feet and claim the Big East is receiving a "Welfare check", even though you forget C-USA also receives one, but facts are facts.
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O.G. Eagle Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:
MemTGRS Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:The folks who are doing the most crying about the BE is  non bcs folks who dont know their place in the world.
I'm sure it will be just scoffed off as a "bitter CUSA fan", but the above quote is a perfect example of why the BCS is a rotten caste system. So Duke and Baylor are more worthy football programs and Utah and pre-2005 Louisville should know their roles?
LOL. That was a sarcastic statement pointed towards all fans from non bcs conferences who insist on coming to the BE board and pointing out our perceived problems, while at the same time ignoring their own problems.

Why are their so many CUSA fans on this board that feel that they have to point to problems of the BE? Sure the BE has some problems, but the folks who are in the know are doing a good job handling the problems. But the only folks that really seem to have a problem with the BE are CUSA fans. There are no SEC, Big 10, Big12, Pac 10 or even acc folks coming to our boards and pointing out our problems. Just envious CUSA folks. Since its been pointed out that the other bcs conferences have such problems with the BE being in the bcs, where are they? You would think they would be the ones to be on this board complaining, since they are so upset.
Envious?...ROTFLOL!.....envious of what?......the BCS dropping the Big East like a hot potato in a few years....yep...we're envious....lol.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You mean the way they were dropped last year when people like you predicted that? In fact, the BCS has a system that is perfectly suited to the Big East keeping their bid, and if Louisville or Pitt finish in the Top 15 it would keep the Big East's BCS average over 10 for the next 5 to 6 years. Yeah, sounds like the Big East is going to be dropped REAL soon! :laugh:
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WVUGeo1 Wrote:The reason these conference USA ppl are coming over is the same reason us big easters a few years back were so pissed off at the acc for stealing our members. There is no reason to not let them vent a little bit. We know how it feels to be stabbed in the back so we do understand what they are going through. However that being said the Big East will survive and will be fine...we have not even played a down in the new system and everone is up in arms about how many problems we have. The problems will be played out on the field period in both conferences.
We stabbed no one in the back. It is not the same.
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L-yes Wrote:
WVUGeo1 Wrote:The reason these conference USA ppl are coming over is the same reason us big easters a few years back were so pissed off at the acc for stealing our members.  There is no reason to not let them vent a little bit.  We know how it feels to be stabbed in the back so we do understand what they are going through.  However that being said the Big East will survive and will be fine...we have not even played a down in the new system and everone is up in arms about how many problems we have.  The problems will be played out on the field period in both conferences.
We stabbed no one in the back. It is not the same.
That is very true. Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida did what is best for their programs by moving to the Big East and getting a shot at an automatic BCS bid. No honest or realistic C-USA fan can fault them for that.
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MichiganTiger Wrote:
L-yes Wrote:
WVUGeo1 Wrote:The reason these conference USA ppl are coming over is the same reason us big easters a few years back were so pissed off at the acc for stealing our members.  There is no reason to not let them vent a little bit.  We know how it feels to be stabbed in the back so we do understand what they are going through.  However that being said the Big East will survive and will be fine...we have not even played a down in the new system and everone is up in arms about how many problems we have.  The problems will be played out on the field period in both conferences.
We stabbed no one in the back. It is not the same.
That is very true. Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida did what is best for their programs by moving to the Big East and getting a shot at an automatic BCS bid. No honest or realistic C-USA fan can fault them for that.
Exactly.

I just have a problem there's a BCS that exists at all. A prime example of the old British empire.
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Hey live in the now...ND football has sucked for like the last 15 years.....I assure you that at this stage, Gator or Sun would be welcome sight to ND fans. After all....."A" bowl game is better than nothing at all......Your assesment of ND fans would be valid if you were talking about late 80's....this is 2005 and I know that their fans would not be disappointed with a Gator Bowl invite.

Your scenario has a typical ND fan saying...."Oh man....we were 6-5 -again....and we are only getting to go to the Gator Bowl. I can't believe we are not playing for the national championship so...I prob. won't even watch the game."

No way.
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I can't believe how many bitter C-DOA fans there are on this board pissing and moaning about how UC sucks, how USF is a joke, how Big East is bad and going to loose their BSC......no wonders the C-DOA board is always dead....all three of their fans are over here!!!


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I wish UC and UL good luck in the BE. You guys did exactly what you had to do to take care of your programs. You deserve the good fortune that you now enjoy. I respect your athletic teams, admins, and fans for the work that you did to get where you are. Maybe someday down the road we will meet you guys in the NCAA or a bowl game. USF....??????

Having said that, I do find all of the talk about the Liberty Bowl interesting. Seriously, if the BE is so set on playing the SEC in a bowl game in mid-America, the anser is easy........start a bowl game in Louisville or Cincy. It's really not hard to start a bowl game, a couple of million or so and a stadium that holds 50,000 or so. Meanwhile, I can't see the LB leaving CUSA. Despite what is being said by some experts in this thread, the LB exists based on local volunteers, local donations, local sponsorship, and local ticket buyers (some of which never set foot inside the stadium). I'll be shocked if the LB leaves the confernce that the home university is in.
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oldtiger Wrote:I wish UC and UL good luck in the BE. You guys did exactly what you had to do to take care of your programs. You deserve the good fortune that you now enjoy. I respect your athletic teams, admins, and fans for the work that you did to get where you are. Maybe someday down the road we will meet you guys in the NCAA or a bowl game. USF....??????

Having said that, I do find all of the talk about the Liberty Bowl interesting. Seriously, if the BE is so set on playing the SEC in a bowl game in mid-America, the anser is easy........start a bowl game in Louisville or Cincy. It's really not hard to start a bowl game, a couple of million or so and a stadium that holds 50,000 or so. Meanwhile, I can't see the LB leaving CUSA. Despite what is being said by some experts in this thread, the LB exists based on local volunteers, local donations, local sponsorship, and local ticket buyers (some of which never set foot inside the stadium). I'll be shocked if the LB leaves the confernce that the home university is in.
If that is the case why don't you just add another home game. Seriously.
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Wow! Cats Claw you are a frustrated young man. Settle down, and relax. You guys have a real keeper with Bearcats#1, he is pretty funny.
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MemTGRS Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:
MemTGRS Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:The folks who are doing the most crying about the BE is  non bcs folks who dont know their place in the world.
I'm sure it will be just scoffed off as a "bitter CUSA fan", but the above quote is a perfect example of why the BCS is a rotten caste system. So Duke and Baylor are more worthy football programs and Utah and pre-2005 Louisville should know their roles?
LOL. That was a sarcastic statement pointed towards all fans from non bcs conferences who insist on coming to the BE board and pointing out our perceived problems, while at the same time ignoring their own problems.

Why are their so many CUSA fans on this board that feel that they have to point to problems of the BE? Sure the BE has some problems, but the folks who are in the know are doing a good job handling the problems. But the only folks that really seem to have a problem with the BE are CUSA fans. There are no SEC, Big 10, Big12, Pac 10 or even acc folks coming to our boards and pointing out our problems. Just envious CUSA folks. Since its been pointed out that the other bcs conferences have such problems with the BE being in the bcs, where are they? You would think they would be the ones to be on this board complaining, since they are so upset.
Nowhere did I say that the Big East was unworthy of the BCS.

The BCS, itself, remains a rotten caste system that is shameless regardless of who is in it and who is not.
Memtgr: You are for the most part a very classy poster who lives in the real world. My posts were not directed at respectable CUSA fans such as yourself. If you will notice, I directed my posts at CUSA fans who feel the need to point out the BE perceived problems, and those that like to lay down the smack on our board. You are welcomed here anytime as far as I am concerned.

I do understand your frustration with the bcs, and I feel bad about the whole bcs thing when fans such as yourself express your frustrations with it.
But their are other fans who are very disrespectful that I like to shove the non bcs title right down their pieholes. :laugh:
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L-yes Wrote:
oldtiger Wrote:I wish UC and UL good luck in the BE.  You guys did exactly what you had to do to take care of your programs.  You deserve the good fortune that you now enjoy.  I respect your athletic teams, admins, and fans for the work that you did to get where you are.  Maybe someday down the road we will meet you guys in the NCAA or a bowl game.  USF....??????

Having said that, I do find all of the talk about the Liberty Bowl interesting.  Seriously, if the BE is so set on playing the SEC in a bowl game in mid-America, the anser is easy........start a bowl game in Louisville or Cincy.  It's really not hard to start a bowl game, a couple of million or so and a stadium that holds 50,000 or so.  Meanwhile, I can't see the LB leaving CUSA.  Despite what is being said by some experts in this thread, the LB exists based on local volunteers, local donations, local sponsorship, and local ticket buyers (some of which never set foot inside the stadium).  I'll be shocked if the LB leaves the confernce that the home university is in.
If that is the case why don't you just add another home game. Seriously.
Good luck in the Big East.
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What must really burn Memphis State fans' britches must be that USF didn't campaign for the admission for the Big East....they came to us. Tom Jurich was instrumental in this process, much to he chagrin of people like 'L-yes'.

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When the fall of 2003 rolled around for USF to begin C- USA play, a seismic shifting of the conferences was occurring. Suddenly, USF was a possible target of the Big East.

``USF hit all of the hot buttons, the pressure points of what their criteria was [for a future member],'' said Kevin O'Malley, a sports media consultant for the Big East.

While Memphis, East Carolina, UCF and Marshall bombarded the Big East with telephone calls and letters, USF decided to take a completely different approach.

[b]The Bulls waited for the Big East to contact them.


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Evolution Of A Program
By BRETT McMURPHY
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Jul 1, 2005


TAMPA - Ten years ago, the University of South Florida's athletic department faced the very real possibility of being stuck in the Southern Conference with the likes of Elon and Wofford.
Ten years later - and light years away from Elon and Wofford - the Bulls have been accepted into a neighborhood that is strictly upscale.

Today the Bulls join the Big East, one of the nation's top six Division I-A conferences. Now part of the Bowl Championship Series, USF theoretically can win a national championship in football. USF's other 15 basketball-playing partners each has reached the Final Four.

To reach this once-unthinkable point, there were plenty of twists and turns, some impressive networking and some old- fashioned luck.


Offer They Couldn't Refuse

Four years after joining the Metro Conference in 1991, USF was ready for a bigger conference.

There was just one small problem: The new league being formed was not interested in USF.

The yet-to-be named league was taking Louisville, Tulane and Southern Miss from the Metro, leaving USF, UNC- Charlotte, Virginia Tech and Virginia Commonwealth behind.

Having already been rejected three times by what will become Conference USA, USF athletic director Paul Griffin commissioned a study of USF's other options. They weren't pretty: Return to the Sun Belt, join the Southern Conference or become an independent in Division I-A or I- AA.

``We had alternative plans,'' Griffin said. ``But they all smelled like bad fish.''

Ultimately, the Bulls came out smelling like a rose.

Metro bylaws required teams leaving the league to forfeit their NCAA Tournaments ``units,'' meaning Louisville, Tulane and Southern Miss would lose more than $2 million. However, Metro bylaws could be changed by a two-thirds majority vote. So USF and UNC-Charlotte made the three exiting teams an offer they couldn't refuse.

USF and UNC-Charlotte officials said they would vote for departing members to keep their NCAA ``units'' under one condition: They had to take USF and UNC-Charlotte with them into C-USA.

So on April 24, 1995, C-USA announced its 11-member league, including USF and UNC-Charlotte.

Less than five months later, the Board of Regents approved the start of USF football.

Griffin now had to hire a football coach to build the program from scratch. From dozens of applications, five finalists emerged: Nebraska assistant Tony Samuel, Bradenton Manatee High coach Joe Kinnan, former Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator Jack Burns, Boston University coach Dan Allen and a 38- year-old Kansas State defensive coordinator named Jim Leavitt.

Less than a year after Leavitt was hired, he was attending a party at a prominent Davis Islands residence. The guest list was a who's-who of area celebrities and sports figures.

Then-USF president Betty Castor was chatting with Leavitt and a couple of other guests about the upcoming football season.

``Coach Leavitt was talking with Coach [Steve] Spurrier and Coach [Bobby] Bowden, how they would be in the top 10 or 15,'' Castor said. ``And [Leavitt] mentions he just ordered helmets.''

Now, less than 10 years later, Leavitt's program is on equal footing with Spurrier and Bowden on the college football landscape. USF belongs to a BCS conference.

``We're now in the same room with everyone else,'' Leavitt said. ``Before, we were outside that room. It's huge for recruiting to be able to play for a national championship.

``Nobody dreamed 10 years ago we could go from [Division] I-AA to playing in a conference with an opportunity for a national title. It's unbelievable.''

And without its unbelievable success under Leavitt, USF never would have been in this position.

``I talked to a wide range of people,'' Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese said. ``People from all backgrounds who knew a lot more about football than I did, and they all kept saying the same thing: USF has enormous potential.''

Griffin, now a senior associate AD at Georgia Tech, believes USF's success already is being taken for granted.

``People have a naive impression that any football program in Florida will be successful,'' Griffin said. ``If it was easy for USF to have a good football program, why hasn't it happened in other programs? There's been far too little credit given to [Leavitt to] put together a competitive team at the I-AA level and advance that, given the limitations to compete at a I-A level.''

``Football,'' former USF athletic director Lee Roy Selmon said, ``was a very important part of the puzzle.''


Subtle Approach

A vote was to be conducted on C-USA's football expansion on Oct. 11, 1999 - nearly a month after Castor's final day as USF president.

Yet Castor, no longer on USF's payroll, paid her own way to New York to represent USF.

``I thought it was important because it was a presidents meeting,'' said Castor, now founder of Campaign for Florida's Future, a political action committee, and still a USF season-ticket holder. ``It was something I wanted to do.''

Griffin said Castor's commitment was incredible.

``There were some dicey moments there, and South Florida could have easily been left out if Betty wasn't there,'' Griffin said. ``That's what stands out about her commitment and legacy.''

With Castor present, USF was granted football membership. Despite ``guarantees'' to Castor and Griffin from C-USA commissioner Mike Slive and the league's presidents that the Bulls would join by 2001, USF was forced to wait until 2003. UAB president Ann Reynolds insisted on a two- year delay, the same wait UAB incurred.

Without a conference for two years, the Bulls took out their frustrations on the field. In 2001, USF pulled off college football's biggest upset. The 22-point underdog Bulls upset Pittsburgh 35-26 and finished 8-3.

Three months later, USF's men's basketball team also won at Pittsburgh. Shortly afterward, Pittsburgh-area high school students began receiving ice-scrapers for their cars, courtesy of USF's admissions office.

An attached letter tells prospective students: ``Leave this with your parents because you won't need it at the University of South Florida.''

USF's success kept snowballing in 2002. Leavitt's Bulls finished 23rd in the final BCS standings. But without a conference affiliation, USF became the first non-probation Top 25 BCS team not to receive a bowl bid.

Included in USF's school-record 9-2 season was a 4-0 mark against teams from C-USA.

When the fall of 2003 rolled around for USF to begin C- USA play, a seismic shifting of the conferences was occurring. Suddenly, USF was a possible target of the Big East.

``USF hit all of the hot buttons, the pressure points of what their criteria was [for a future member],'' said Kevin O'Malley, a sports media consultant for the Big East.

While Memphis, East Carolina, UCF and Marshall bombarded the Big East with telephone calls and letters, USF decided to take a completely different approach.

The Bulls waited for the Big East to contact them.

``All the other schools were taking a slick PR approach, and Lee Roy [Selmon] said this is not how to do it,'' said Michael Rierson, USF's vice president for advancement.

Not surprisingly, Selmon, the former AD who is now president of USF's Foundation for Athletics, downplayed his role.

``We did not believe we needed to go out and do a big marketing campaign and try to push ourselves into the [Big East] commissioner's office and force our way into being a member,'' Selmon said. ``I believed in being above board, sincere and doing it with integrity. I think that's the way to do business.''

In September 2003 - even before USF made its C-USA debut at Army - Tranghese called Selmon to tell him that the Big East could only take Louisville and Cincinnati. But he believed there would be another opening soon. Very soon.

``I know it must have been hard on them,'' Tranghese said. ``But the fact they just sat and waited for us to give them a signal was very impressive.''


Fateful Meeting

Tranghese was having a great Sunday. It was Oct. 12, 2003, and he had just finished a meeting with Big East presidents and Louisville and Cincinnati representatives to informally invite the schools to replace Miami and Virginia Tech.

Tranghese was floating through the Pittsburgh airport when his cell phone rang. It was Boston College president William P. Leahy. Father Leahy gives Tranghese the news he had been expecting: BC is leaving for the ACC.

The next morning, Tranghese called Selmon. They set up a meeting four days later on Oct. 17 in Newark, N.J.

That Friday, the charter jet left sunny Clearwater for New Jersey. In three hours, the plane's passengers - USF president Judy Genshaft, Selmon and Rierson - would meet with three Big East presidents and Tranghese in one of the most significant meetings in the school's 47-year history.

Halfway through the flight, Genshaft is passing time by working on some paperwork. Rierson admits he's ``nervous as a cat'' and paces the aisle like a wind-up toy robot. Selmon prepares for the meeting the same way he did on game days during his Hall of Fame careers with Oklahoma and the Tampa Bay Bucs.

He's sound asleep.

``Actually,'' Selmon said, ``I was just resting with my eyes closed.''

The meeting at the Newark Marriott with the Big East presidents and Tranghese lasts two hours. ``But it seems like it went on forever,'' Rierson said.

The presidents are impressed with USF.

``Judy was fabulous in the meeting,'' Tranghese said. ``I could tell within 15 minutes there was a tremendous comfort level with the presidents.''

Genshaft, who declined interview requests for this story, Selmon and Rierson board the plane for the flight home. Once the wheels are up, Rierson asks Genshaft and Selmon their thoughts on the meeting.

Everyone breaks into big smiles.

Less than 48 hours later, the Big East membership conducts a conference call. Once the call is completed that Sunday night, Tranghese - exactly one week after he learned Boston College was leaving - contacts Genshaft and Selmon. He extends a Big East invitation to USF.

``In an atmosphere of chaos and complications, son of a gun if it all didn't come together for USF,'' Rierson said. ``This will have economic and academic benefits for decades.''

The former commuter school on Fowler Avenue, turned down three times by Conference USA and then forced to wait another two years, was Big East-bound.

``Paul Griffin was the dynamic kick-starter of all those things [that led to the Big East], and Lee Roy tied up the package,'' said softball coach Ken Eriksen, who has been at USF since 1985. ``The dynamic duo of Betty Castor and Paul Griffin were the fuel behind the program.''


Raising A New Flag

Outside the administrative offices at 10 this morning, Genshaft and Athletic Director Doug Woolard will raise a Big East flag signifying USF's new conference membership. Some cynics suggest USF - restricted by one of the Big East's lowest athletic budgets and competing in arguably the nation's top men's basketball conference - should instead raise a white flag.

Woolard, who has been at USF only 13 months, is ready.

``It's as much a challenge as an opportunity,'' Woolard said. ``I look at the glass half- full and the opportunities our student-athletes will have to play at the very highest level. It will change the people we can recruit and our fans can see the highest level of competition.

``We don't have the history or tradition of the other schools. As a new member of the Big East we don't look just to survive, we look to succeed.''

Selmon also is excited about the opportunity.

``I'm amazed how things have unfolded, and it's not over,'' said Selmon, the athletic department's chief fundraiser. ``It's just starting. I pray and hope the community sees it that way and gets ready for the next steps.

``We're ready to climb, and we want them to climb with us. And we need them to climb those steps with us.''

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old tiger: this all started by me posting on the C-USA board two articles describing the Liberty Bowl as possibly being in play. I was initially surprised since it was common knowledge that the Liberty Bowl had strong ties with Memphis. However I was personally attacked for just posting the article. The common thought was there was NO WAY that the Liberty Bowl could drop C-USA b/c there was a contract in place. Rather than talk smack I challenged this assumption with clear quotes that the Liberty Bowl holds a series options to allow CUSA to play in their game. In other words there is no longterm binding contract preventing the LB from looking for two new conferences. Could this happen? Who knows but to ignore this possibility plus published reports is somewhat naive.
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