L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:I don't think it is an issue of schools like Memphis, ECU or UCF having to step up to get into the BE.  The teams in the BE has to step up and show that losing Miami, Va Tech and BC did not hurt this conference from an image and national respect standpoint.

Before looking for other teams to enhance this conference the current teams need to do it first. 

Like another poster said, it's one thing to throw out stats and make comparisons.  It's another thing when you prove it on the field.  When the BE does that with the current setup of teams only then will they be viewed as a legitmate BCS conference.

At least you got the chance to prove it unlike CUSA or the MWC.

The Big East will be fine regardless. The BCS powers that be have invented some rules to protect us. There is no hand wringing on that front. Our concern is stability within the conference and adding an all-sports member that brings value.

That's just it.

The only additions that would bring value to the Big East just left, or won't come(Penn St./Maryland).

You're better off not adding anyone unless it's Penn state, Maryland, or Boston College.

Memphis is a push.

Messing around with anything else could get your knees taken out by the MWC.

CAJUNNATION Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:I don't think it is an issue of schools like Memphis, ECU or UCF having to step up to get into the BE.  The teams in the BE has to step up and show that losing Miami, Va Tech and BC did not hurt this conference from an image and national respect standpoint.

Before looking for other teams to enhance this conference the current teams need to do it first. 

Like another poster said, it's one thing to throw out stats and make comparisons.  It's another thing when you prove it on the field.  When the BE does that with the current setup of teams only then will they be viewed as a legitmate BCS conference.

At least you got the chance to prove it unlike CUSA or the MWC.

The Big East will be fine regardless. The BCS powers that be have invented some rules to protect us. There is no hand wringing on that front. Our concern is stability within the conference and adding an all-sports member that brings value.

That's just it.

The only additions that would bring value to the Big East just left, or won't come(Penn St./Maryland).

You're better off not adding anyone unless it's Penn state, Maryland, or Boston College.

Memphis is a push.

Messing around with anything else could get your knees taken out by the MWC.

There is no chance that the MWC replaces the BE in the BCS. If it were apparent that that should happen by strength (meaning real strength, not some silly power ratings), then either the BE would simply be ejected OR the BCS will open up to include a lot more leagues. The MWC is in the weakest political position of all the non-bcs leagues (they severely miscalculated when Cowen and his group started pressing the BCS). The BCS is going to be a lot different in 10 years anyway.

And I'm no apologist for the BE, but the BE is a lot better league than the MWC. Who in the MWC is good besides Utah? They have no bad teams; they schedule smart. Hence, the computer rankings rate them highly. But check their record against BCS competition - no better than the WAC or C-USA. I think you'll see TCU in the first 2 or 3 in that league. Last year, they were C-USA's fifth or sixth best team. And the BE has markets and media attention, which brings MONEY to the BCS - the MWC has none of that.

You guys add any combination of:

UCF
East Carolina

MWC adds any combination of :

Boise
Fresno


Then, you guys could be toast.

CAJUNNATION Wrote:You guys add any combination of:

UCF
East Carolina

MWC adds any combination of :

Boise
Fresno


Then, you guys could be toast.

Why? First of all, if the Big East wanted to counter pickup up Fresno and Boise they could pick up Memphis/Marshall and Southern Miss. Also, I don't buy into the theory that Fresno State and Boise would make the MWC some superpower. If that were the case the MWC would have picked them up a long time ago. There's no guarantee that they would continue their run of Top 25 rankings in the MWC, and there is also the chance that a school like UConn, South Florida or Cincinnati, with BCS affiliation, could ascend to Top 25 status. I just don't think the whole "Uh oh, Fresno and Boise is coming, the MWC is great the Big East is dead" theory is that big a deal.

cajun i tend to disagree w/ u on that

pitt, cuse, wvu, lville is better than the combo of utah, fresno, tcu, boise and the big east has alot more potential because of new coaches and lville will do nothing but grow w/ bcs recruits eventually coming w/ the great coaching they already have. pitt is on the verge of becoming the usc of the east coast. so adding such as memphis and ecu really won't be that bad since they'll be in the middle of the pack

pitt, cuse, wvu, lville is better than the combo of utah, fresno, tcu, boise


Marginally


Look, you guys do what you want. I don't have a dog in this fight other than I think the Big East should aspire to better things than Central Florida and Eact carolina.

Those 2 programs have shown a willingness to play abhorrent football for years. I don't see any programs in the MWC with the exception of Wyoming,(but they are expected to have a great year) that are such a load of dead weight.


It seems to me that if the Big East is so gung ho to add a couple of teams(assuming no Penn St.), they should look to Miami(OH)/Bowling Green/Toledo/Marshall, and quit messing around in the south.

I don't know the particulars on these schools, but I'm assuming 1 or 2 has the credentials for Big East admission.

load of weight are u kidding me.

after the big 4. u got rutgers and uconn both are better than mwc's middle whatever. then cincy and usf has alot more potential than mwc's weight. the big east has no team ranked below 90. comon man. big east has more potential than the mwc over the next 5 years.

i'm not a fan of adding ucf in any way. memphis is alot better choice and fit in both bball and fball.

and our top 4 only marginally better than mwc's top 2 plus fresno and boise um yeah right. utah is rebuilding and pitt brings back everyone. and utah is still heads and shoulders above the mwc

pitt beats utah

loisville destroyed boise and would do it again

cuse brings back just bout everyone. cuse beats fresno

wvu beats tcu hands down.

thats a 4 game sweep.

CAJUNNATION Wrote:pitt, cuse, wvu, lville is better than the combo of utah, fresno, tcu, boise


Marginally


Look, you guys do what you want. I don't have a dog in this fight other than I think the Big East should aspire to better things than Central Florida and Eact carolina.

Those 2 programs have shown a willingness to play abhorrent football for years. I don't see any programs in the MWC with the exception of Wyoming,(but they are expected to have a great year) that are such a load of dead weight.


It seems to me that if the Big East is so gung ho to add a couple of teams(assuming no Penn St.), they should look to Miami(OH)/Bowling Green/Toledo/Marshall, and quit messing around in the south.

I don't know the particulars on these schools, but I'm assuming 1 or 2 has the credentials for Big East admission.

TCU sucked @ss last year and will likely suck again this year. And where are you getting that the Big East wants Central Florida and ECU? At the most I have heard MAYBE ECU, but Memphis has been mentioned a lot. As for a load of deadweight, last year 6 of the 9 teams in the MWC were a deadweight. You figure it out.

animus Wrote:wvu beats tcu hands down.

Heck, CINCINNATI pounded TCU last year. And Cincinnati has a ton of potential now that we have BCS status and strong conference exposure to lock down Ohio recruits.

I don't know where you guys see where I'm puting down the Big East.

I'm not.

Re-read my post.

IF you add UCF and ECU, I think y'all are inviting trouble.

The last 2 years they are a combined 5-40.

THAT's sucking ******

back to the original topic @ hand as a pitt fan tryin to bring in maryland, psu and nd is a good idea but won't happen. psu is the most likely to happen and thats a snowballs chance in hell. i think goin to 9 or 10 and have a roundrobin is the best bet. if psu, maryland and nd somehow came in sure an 11 team conference would be good. but its not goin to happen.

as far as best options already been talked bout a million times the past 2 years its memphis, ecu or in my mind temple but i'm knocked bout temple every time.

i don't see how ucf will help the b.e. it will hurt usf for recruits. sure its a good fit for usf as far as havin an instate rivalry but usf already has to contend w/ uf, fsu and miami and most out of state powers for recruits. why would usf want to contend w/ another bcs in state team for a recruit. not goin to happen...

animus Wrote:load of weight are u kidding me.

after the big 4. u got rutgers and uconn both are better than mwc's middle whatever. then cincy and usf has alot more potential than mwc's weight. the big east has no team ranked below 90. comon man. big east has more potential than the mwc over the next 5 years.

i'm not a fan of adding ucf in any way. memphis is alot better choice and fit in both bball and fball.

and our top 4 only marginally better than mwc's top 2 plus fresno and boise um yeah right. utah is rebuilding and pitt brings back everyone. and utah is still heads and shoulders above the mwc

pitt beats utah

loisville destroyed boise and would do it again

cuse brings back just bout everyone. cuse beats fresno

wvu beats tcu hands down.

thats a 4 game sweep.

Didn't Utah just beat the crap out of Pitt in a BCS bowl?

I see the homerism beginning to show so I'll let it be.

Boise, Fresno, Utah, TCU is formidable group of 4. And Pitt, Syra, UL and WVU are head and shoulders above them? Why? It's very clear that right now the BE & MWC are the 6th & 7th best conferences in the country. Whoever you think is 6th or 7th is your opinion.

Lyes say the BE will be fine regardless. DO most of you agree with him?

Why is a UAB fan on a Big East board? Anyways, who does the Mountain West have? Utah? They wont be nearly as good as they were last season. The Big East has UofL, Cincy, WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, UConn.

I guess we just need to add Louisiana Lafayette. That would definitely put the Big East as the best football conference in the country.

great point hidden dragon but didn't i mention that utah lost everybody. and pitt is keeping everybody if pitt and utah played in the first game of the season then pitt would win in a blowout.

Quote:Boise, Fresno, Utah, TCU is formidable group of 4. And Pitt, Syra, UL and WVU are head and shoulders above them? Why? It's very clear that right now the BE & MWC are the 6th & 7th best conferences in the country. Whoever you think is 6th or 7th is your opinion.

-- Boise and Fresno are in the WAC and Utah and TCU are in the MWC....untill that changes this converstaion is pointless...Both of the western leagues have to much dead weight to challenge the BE unless some kind of merger takes place...


Jackson

Quote:I'm not convinced about Memphis. Too far out there in my opinion. And also a different culture. I guess we'll see.

I think Army in theory would be a good add along with Navy. The problem has been that Army's program has been so moribund for so long, much longer than ECU. Navy seems to have turned the corner to returning to respectability, but Army's not there. However, I could see conditions existing by 2010 or 2011 where Army could be a good addition.

At the moment, though, I think Navy for football as soon as possible.

Actually, if Navy had concerns about the schedule, I would be willing to offer a package deal with Army and Navy together, where each of them would play 4 of our schools each year, and then flip flop. That wouldn't be as taxing on them (especially Army) and it would give us a predictable 8th game.

Still, if I had my pick it would be add Navy full time

-- What makes Memphis so good in my opinion is that they are very similar to almost every football school in the league....Memphis has a great basketball program that gets all kind of fan support and they are in an urban setting....also they bring a quality bowl game, probably a football game that will be on ESPN with UL every year, several national TV games in hoops every year and will bring in the NCAA units as well....outside of the big boys Memphis probably brings the most money to the table

-- As for Army and Navy...rumor has it Navy is not sure if it can compete with in the BE conference...so it may take several more successful seasons to convince them...also I have heard that they would not want to join a conference without Army joining as well... Would you still want Navy if it meant Army coming too? Any sort of membership that includes that academis would have to be for football only...Navy's mens and womens bball team etc would get annilated if they played in the same conference as us


Jackson

HiddenDragon Wrote:

animus Wrote:load of    weight are u kidding me.

after the big 4. u got rutgers and uconn both are better than mwc's middle whatever. then cincy and usf has alot more potential than mwc's    weight. the big east has no team ranked below 90. comon man.  big east has more potential than the mwc over the next 5 years.

i'm not a fan of adding ucf in any way. memphis is alot better choice and fit in both bball and fball.

and our top 4 only marginally better than mwc's top 2 plus fresno and boise um yeah right. utah is rebuilding and pitt brings back everyone.  and utah is still heads and shoulders above the mwc

pitt beats utah

loisville destroyed boise and would do it again

cuse brings back just bout everyone. cuse beats fresno

wvu beats tcu hands down.

thats a 4 game sweep.

Didn't Utah just beat the crap out of Pitt in a BCS bowl?

I see the homerism beginning to show so I'll let it be.

Boise, Fresno, Utah, TCU is formidable group of 4. And Pitt, Syra, UL and WVU are head and shoulders above them? Why? It's very clear that right now the BE & MWC are the 6th & 7th best conferences in the country. Whoever you think is 6th or 7th is your opinion.

Lyes say the BE will be fine regardless. DO most of you agree with him?

So you think that the BE and MWC are about even, even though Boise and Fresno are not in the MWC?


If Boise and Fresno were in the MWC, I have to admit that they would be close to the BE if they could sustain their level of competitiveness. But right now they are not part of the MWC. The BE is still way ahead of the MWC.

Once again, many of you know little to nothing about college athletics. I am not an advocate of expansion, but you can not judge any program based on the past two or three seasons. You have to look at the full picture. How many would have taken UofL in 97 or Cincy in 00? The Big East will be ok as long as our teams win against OOC teams and win our bowls.

You guys are killing me. None of these teams are coming back or to the Big East! Just like Louisville will never go back to CUSA! The past is gone, the future is all we have!

Wilkie01 Wrote:You guys are killing me. None of these teams are coming back or to the Big East! Just like Louisville will never go back to CUSA! The past is gone, the future is all we have!

Exactly Wilkster; please stop with all this other wishful thinking; none of those schools will come to the Big East right now.

We don't even know ourselves what product we have in football, why would any school already in the BCS right now leave their comfortable surroundings and join the Big East?

We have a few years of proving ourselves as a football conference before any BCS school would even consider us.