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Memphis is the obvious choice for the next member. I really think they got their wake-up call seeing UofL and Cincy move on (Memphis is actually more attached to UofL and Cincy then they are their Southern counterparts), and I think they are committed to improving their football program for the long haul.

The next football member needs to be simply who has the best football program at the time.

So to all you current Big East members in favor of keeping the conference with an eastern flavor, sorry, you just don't give any other alternatives.

Who? Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Delaware…..?? None of these schools play Div 1 football!!

Temple?? They just got kicked out for being pathetic.

Army? We just spent many years with them; they do nothing for football.

Navy? While they field an occasional good team, they are what they are: military people playing football. Perhaps they can follow Air Force in putting out a competitive team year after year, but I still have my doubts they can.

I just wonder if there is a way Memphis can join for football only before the split happens.





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I agree thatMemphis is the best choice.
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Do we really want Memphis in the Big East? Sorry, but I dont feel like hearing Cal whine to refs before games again.

Do everything we can to get ND, PSU and Maryland on board!
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animus Wrote:great point hidden dragon but didn't i mention that utah lost everybody. and pitt is keeping everybody if pitt and utah played in the first game of the season then pitt would win in a blowout.
You don't know that. That is an opinion. It's a fact Utah beat Pitt.

And I thought we were comparing a MWC with Boise and Frenso againt the current BE lineup. If the MWC were able to get Frenso and Boise that would surpass the BE. As it stands right now, the MWC isn't that far behind (if any) to the BE at the moment.

The biggest advantage the BE has over the MWC in addition to BCS status is location. But if the MWC and BE were to do a round robin type thing in football I think the MWC would be a slight favorite.
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Wilkie, At this moment you are right, Memphis is the best choice. Look for ECU to soon enjoy success. Hopefully within the next 2 years, ECU will once again have a stronger football program than Memphis.

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As much as I dislike the MWC.....I have to admit if they invite Boise and Fresno to their conference....the BE would be way behind the MWC in terms of power and competition. Let's compare both conferences top 5 teams....

MOUNTAIN WEST

Boise
Fresno
Utah
BYU
TCU

BIG EAST

Louisville
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Syracuse
UConn

Boise State/Louisville: Even
Fresno State/Pittsburgh: Fresno State
Utah/West Virginia: Utah
BYU/Syracuse: BYU
TCU/UConn: TCU

IMO...the MWC would be better. But until the MWC invites FSU and BSU...the BE is ahead of the MWC.

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UTEPDallas Wrote:As much as I dislike the MWC.....I have to admit if they invite Boise and Fresno to their conference....the BE would be way behind the MWC in terms of power and competition. Let's compare both conferences top 5 teams....

MOUNTAIN WEST

Boise
Fresno
Utah
BYU
TCU

BIG EAST

Louisville
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Syracuse
UConn

Boise State/Louisville: Even
Fresno State/Pittsburgh: Fresno State
Utah/West Virginia: Utah
BYU/Syracuse: BYU
TCU/UConn: TCU

IMO...the MWC would be better. But until the MWC invites FSU and BSU...the BE is ahead of the MWC.

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Utah just lost their head coach, their quarterback and the majority of their team how in the world can you put them ahead of West Virginia!? Fresno over Pitt!? TCU over Connecticut!? People are overhyping the additions of Boise and Fresno like crazy.
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HiddenDragon Wrote:You don't know that. That is an opinion. It's a fact Utah beat Pitt.
And it's a fact that the Utah team was completely gutted. So Pitt is a better team. Fact. The same team that beat Pitt last year is no longer in place. That's like saying that Auburn would beat Virginia Tech this year because they beat them last year. Or that Cincinnati would beat Southern Miss this year because they beat them last year. Completely different teams. That's a fact.
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Boise St/Louisville...we beat em so we own em, advantage: UofL
Fresno St/Pitt....Pitt's future is bright. they just got a committment from one of the top player's in the country. Advantage: Pitt
Utah/WVU...Please Utah had one great year. They lost everyone. Advantage: WVU
BYU/Syracuse...Did BYU go bowling last season? Syracuse did. Advantage: Syracuse
TCU/UConn......As of right now, UConn is looking pretty good. They sell out almost all of their games and they did win their bowl game.

The Big East will still be better even if they add those 2 teams.
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The whole premise of this thread is flawed. If the BE needs PSU, ND, AND MD to succeed, then start holding up those DOOMSDAY signs. Those teams are solid where they are.

I think we have a potentially solid conference without them. We will probably have to pick up 1 or 2 teams (my preference is a 10 or 12 team conference) to add stability, but our core is solid enough to sustain BCS and media credibility.

As far as lesser conferences rising above us, it's not happening in their present forms. The MWC only has 2 teams of long-term worth. The WAC has a couple good teams, but is on the verge of collapsing. CUSA still has a couple nice programs, but they have been gutted. If they weren't good enough before for bcs, why would they be now? They haven't improved except for the fact that they've gone all-sports, a lesson the BE sorely needs to learn.

My synopsis: we're good for at least 2 years. We do need to split and add 1 or 2 schools as soon as possible.
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Just my thoughts...

If you add Notre Dame I will immediately respect your conference. Right now I don't. I don't think that you are as good as the MWC, let alone the Pac-10. You are currently a far cry from that. But Notre Dame has already started to deliberate for their own bowl spots, regardless of the nBE. If you split, they will stay with the basketball schools. They now get yearly BCS money and an auto-bid given certain circumstances. ND will stay Independent for a long, long time, but if they ever do join a conference it will be the Big Ten, which would then become the Dirty Dozen (for lack of a better name).

If you add Penn State, that brings a lot of prestige to your conference. I believe their football team would improve with you and be much better than they are now (they would actually have a shot at being nationally ranked). The problem is that they like the Big XI because of their high academic standards and research-based institutions, and also because they are such a good and nationally respected football conference. Penn State SHOULD come back after Paterno retires/dies, but they won't. They would be better off in a 9 or 10 team Big East (minus South Florida), but PSU is a proud school. They are too arrogant to come back.

Maryland belongs with you all, because that's where they are, as far as you can get in the north and the east. They belong, but who with a right mind leaves the SEC? Even if you are at the permanent bottom of the conference. And Maryland is. In football, they suck. Or as polite newscasters say after they get beat 10-27, "Maryland may not move the ball much, or get into too many scoring opportunities, but at least they are a good defensive team." That means their offense always scores less than the opposing one. Still, getting the Terpins would be a statement that the nation would see. Any of these 3 would.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

Memphis is your best opportunity. They are good in football, they are great in basketball, they have a lot of fans and good attendence, and they fit right in with the expansion footprint. You should add them the first season you get a chance.

Navy would also be a good add. Navy is a very respectable school, has lots of fans nation-wide, and runs very clean programs.

Army would be terrible, they would be the new Temple minus some. Why do you think only Air Force plays in the MWC? They were the only good school for a long time. Now Navy is good as well. Army is not. Adding one does not mean that you must add both. Army was in a conference by themselves for long enough that there is no way they could complain. Let them play each other regardless, but do not take Army in yourselves. It would be a big mistake.

Also, if you EVER add ECU or UCF, I will LMAO. They are terrible. They are Buffalo in my eyes. They are Maine in the eyes of the nation. If you are dead set as a conference on going the Florida route, to appease stinky USF, I predict that Florida Atlantic will soon prove to be much better... but they will still only have about 15,000 fans per game.

Lastly, Marshall/Southern Miss/Miami(OH)/Bowling Green/UAB/Northern Ill./Toledo/Troy/North Texas are all decent football schools and would all do fairly well on the field in your conference (though perhaps not top half), but each has varying basketball levels, attendence issues, or non-proximity to your geographic "stamp" of the nation. Marshall, Miami Ohio, Bowling Green, and Toledo are your four best bets here, but all must expand their stadiums and expand their attendence. You would be able to help them out. Re-create them if you will, accept them in and then "expand from the inside out".

As the old knight tells Indiana Jones concerning his choice of Holy Grail- "Choose Wisely".

Good luck.
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I do not think BYU is as good as Louisville, Pitt or WVA! 05-nono 05-nono 05-nono
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A BYU fan doesnt respect the Big East? Let me cry a river.
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BYU would not even compete in the bottom half of the BE.
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eldermars Wrote:Also, if you EVER add ECU or UCF, I will LMAO. They are terrible. They are Buffalo in my eyes. They are Maine in the eyes of the nation. If you are dead set as a conference on going the Florida route, to appease stinky USF, I predict that Florida Atlantic will soon prove to be much better... but they will still only have about 15,000 fans per game.
Yes you tell the folks over at ESPN that buddy. ECU had its own national television contract with the only other school to do that being Notre Dame. I do not remember Maine having that. Or even BYU for that matter. The contining saga of judging a program on two to three years. We'll see in five years. I predict the Pirates regaining its place as a top 25 team. The foundation is being laid now. Just wait. It's going to be a great ride.
The coaching disaster (experiment) of the last two years is now over. Sit back and have a cold one.

PS Glad to see you'll going back to those traditional uniforms.
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Wow, a BYU/MWC fan doesn't respect the Big East. Wow. Funny, I don't respect the MWC either. Your conference had 6 of their 9 teams finish the year with losing records, the Big East had 6 of their 8 teams make it to bowl games so, yeah the Big East is better. And statistics show the Big East on par with the Pac-10 and clearly better then the MWC. The Utah-Pitt game doesn't change that.
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*Dear eldermars, here are my thoughts in return
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if you add Notre Dame I will immediately respect your conference. Right now I don't. I don't think that you are as good as the MWC, let alone the Pac-10. You are currently a far cry from that. But Notre Dame has already started to deliberate for their own bowl spots, regardless of the nBE. If you split, they will stay with the basketball schools. They now get yearly BCS money and an auto-bid given certain circumstances. ND will stay Independent for a long, long time, but if they ever do join a conference it will be the Big Ten, which would then become the Dirty Dozen (for lack of a better name).
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I'm not asking for your respect. The BE is a much more solid conference than the MWC. IMO, the MWC only has 2 teams of consequence: BYU which has some tradition, and Utah which plays some good football.
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If you add Penn State, that brings a lot of prestige to your conference. I believe their football team would improve with you and be much better than they are now (they would actually have a shot at being nationally ranked). The problem is that they like the Big XI because of their high academic standards and research-based institutions, and also because they are such a good and nationally respected football conference. Penn State SHOULD come back after Paterno retires/dies, but they won't. They would be better off in a 9 or 10 team Big East (minus South Florida), but PSU is a proud school. They are too arrogant to come back.
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Why should we be concerned with Penn State doing better?
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Maryland belongs with you all, because that's where they are, as far as you can get in the north and the east. They belong, but who with a right mind leaves the SEC? Even if you are at the permanent bottom of the conference. And Maryland is. In football, they suck. Or as polite newscasters say after they get beat 10-27, "Maryland may not move the ball much, or get into too many scoring opportunities, but at least they are a good defensive team." That means their offense always scores less than the opposing one. Still, getting the Terpins would be a statement that the nation would see. Any of these 3 would.
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Maryland belongs in the acc because that's where they are.
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Meanwhile, back in the real world...

Memphis is your best opportunity. They are good in football, they are great in basketball, they have a lot of fans and good attendence, and they fit right in with the expansion footprint. You should add them the first season you get a chance.
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I like Memphis. However, I do question that you are really a BYU fan.
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Navy would also be a good add. Navy is a very respectable school, has lots of fans nation-wide, and runs very clean programs.

Army would be terrible, they would be the new Temple minus some. Why do you think only Air Force plays in the MWC? They were the only good school for a long time. Now Navy is good as well. Army is not. Adding one does not mean that you must add both. Army was in a conference by themselves for long enough that there is no way they could complain. Let them play each other regardless, but do not take Army in yourselves. It would be a big mistake.
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Navy will be terrible this year, but I still like them. Army is far better than Temple in terms of national appeal and attendance. The MWC took Air Force because, frankly, they're one of the few teams that could give it national appeal, and they're also better than most of your schools, both academically and athletically.
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Also, if you EVER add ECU or UCF, I will LMAO. They are terrible. They are Buffalo in my eyes. They are Maine in the eyes of the nation. If you are dead set as a conference on going the Florida route, to appease stinky USF, I predict that Florida Atlantic will soon prove to be much better... but they will still only have about 15,000 fans per game.
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Again, I question your origin.
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Lastly, Marshall/Southern Miss/Miami(OH)/Bowling Green/UAB/Northern Ill./Toledo/Troy/North Texas are all decent football schools and would all do fairly well on the field in your conference (though perhaps not top half),
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All of them would be top half in the MWC.
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but each has varying basketball levels, attendence issues, or non-proximity to your geographic "stamp" of the nation. Marshall, Miami Ohio, Bowling Green, and Toledo are your four best bets here, but all must expand their stadiums and expand their attendence. You would be able to help them out. Re-create them if you will, accept them in and then "expand from the inside out".
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Getting a little incoherent here, friend.
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As the old knight tells Indiana Jones concerning his choice of Holy Grail- "Choose Wisely".
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As the old guy responding to this post tells eldermars, "Who do you think you're fooling?"
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Good luck.
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Lastly, Marshall/Southern Miss/Miami(OH)/Bowling Green/UAB/Northern Ill./Toledo/Troy/North Texas are all decent football schools and would all do fairly well on the field in your conference (though perhaps not top half),

Maybe the MWC should consider adding those schools since they did something over 60% of your conference couldn't do, finish the season with a .500 or better record.
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eldermars Wrote:<span style='color:blue'>
&nbsp; Just my thoughts...

&nbsp; If you add Notre Dame I will immediately respect your conference.&nbsp; Right now I don't.&nbsp; I don't think that you are as good as the MWC, let alone the Pac-10.&nbsp; You are currently a far cry from that.&nbsp; But Notre Dame has already started to deliberate for their own bowl spots, regardless of the nBE.&nbsp; If you split, they will stay with the basketball schools.&nbsp; They now get yearly BCS money and an auto-bid given certain circumstances.&nbsp; ND will stay Independent for a long, long time, but if they ever do join a conference it will be the Big Ten, which would then become the Dirty Dozen (for lack of a better name).

&nbsp; If you add Penn State, that brings a lot of prestige to your conference.&nbsp; I believe their football team would improve with you and be much better than they are now (they would actually have a shot at being nationally ranked).&nbsp; The problem is that they like the Big XI because of their high academic standards and research-based institutions, and also because they are such a good and nationally respected football conference.&nbsp; Penn State SHOULD come back after Paterno retires/dies, but they won't.&nbsp; They would be better off in a 9 or 10 team Big East (minus South Florida), but PSU is a proud school.&nbsp; They are too arrogant to come back.

&nbsp; Maryland belongs with you all, because that's where they are, as far as you can get in the north and the east.&nbsp; They belong, but who with a right mind leaves the SEC?&nbsp; Even if you are at the permanent bottom of the conference.&nbsp; And Maryland is.&nbsp; In football, they suck.&nbsp; Or as polite newscasters say after they get beat 10-27, "Maryland may not move the ball much, or get into too many scoring opportunities, but at least they are a good defensive team."&nbsp; That means their offense always scores less than the opposing one.&nbsp; Still, getting the Terpins would be a statement that the nation would see.&nbsp; Any of these 3 would.

&nbsp; Meanwhile, back in the real world...

&nbsp; Memphis is your best opportunity.&nbsp; They are good in football, they are great in basketball, they have a lot of fans and good attendence, and they fit right in with the expansion footprint.&nbsp; You should add them the first season you get a chance.

&nbsp; Navy would also be a good add.&nbsp; Navy is a very respectable school, has lots of fans nation-wide, and runs very clean programs.

&nbsp; Army would be terrible, they would be the new Temple minus some.&nbsp; Why do you think only Air Force plays in the MWC?&nbsp; They were the only good school for a long time.&nbsp; Now Navy is good as well.&nbsp; Army is not.&nbsp; Adding one does not mean that you must add both.&nbsp; Army was in a conference by themselves for long enough that there is no way they could complain.&nbsp; Let them play each other regardless, but do not take Army in yourselves.&nbsp; It would be a big mistake.

&nbsp; Also, if you EVER add ECU or UCF, I will LMAO.&nbsp; They are terrible.&nbsp; They are Buffalo in my eyes.&nbsp; They are Maine in the eyes of the nation.&nbsp; If you are dead set as a conference on going the Florida route, to appease stinky USF, I predict that Florida Atlantic will soon prove to be much better... but they will still only have about 15,000 fans per game.

&nbsp; Lastly, Marshall/Southern Miss/Miami(OH)/Bowling Green/UAB/Northern Ill./Toledo/Troy/North Texas are all decent football schools and would all do fairly well on the field in your conference (though perhaps not top half), but each has varying basketball levels, attendence issues, or non-proximity to your geographic "stamp" of the nation.&nbsp; Marshall, Miami Ohio, Bowling Green, and Toledo are your four best bets here, but all must expand their stadiums and expand their attendence.&nbsp; You would be able to help them out.&nbsp; Re-create them if you will, accept them in and then "expand from the inside out".

&nbsp; As the old knight tells Indiana Jones concerning his choice of Holy Grail- "Choose Wisely".

&nbsp; Good luck.
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Maybe some of us should go over to the MWC boards and tell all of the mountain folks how we dont respect their silly little conference. The probelm is there is noone there to read the posts.

BTW; Who in the samhills cares what you or any of the 10 other MWC fans think.
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PusherT Wrote:I just can't see the Big East staying alfoat for another 10 years. Just by bringing in PSU the Big East would be able to keep both Pitt/SU/WVU happy.

By going after Maryland, the Big East would be able to keep SU/Pitt/WVU happy

ND would make WVU/Pitt/SU very very happy.

I think Big East needs to focus 100% on Maryland,PSU,ND in order of keeping WVU/Pitt/SU happy the "3" powers of the conference. If 2/3 of this group leave the Big East the BCS bid leaves
Notre Dame and Maryland aren't coming...and why would Penn State leave a stable BCS conference for a shaky Big East?
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