(02-06-2014 10:46 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Guess Thompson had grade issues. That stinks.

Means we lost 4 of our top 5 rated HS recruits in the last week before NSD (Devers, Atkinson, Williams & Thompson). Ouch.

We also got our most highly rated recruit in the last week, so technically that's an offset and makes your stat 3 out of 5.

Just trying to make myself feel better over here, don't hate.

Which still isn't a good thing. IMO this class would have been decent had they landed Mouhon and kept everyone committed.

For me the class overall is a disappointment.

I know the conference sucks and the recruiting budget is one of the worst in the country but I thought they would have recruited better with guys like Hinshaw, Gran and Prunty on staff. I also think losing Tate hurt at least a little bit (granted he probably was going to leave on his own anyways). because he was at least a better recruiter than the two guys they brought in to replace him at the DC.

(02-06-2014 01:42 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 10:46 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Guess Thompson had grade issues. That stinks.

Means we lost 4 of our top 5 rated HS recruits in the last week before NSD (Devers, Atkinson, Williams & Thompson). Ouch.

We also got our most highly rated recruit in the last week, so technically that's an offset and makes your stat 3 out of 5.

Just trying to make myself feel better over here, don't hate.

Which still isn't a good thing. IMO this class would have been decent had they landed Mouhon and kept everyone committed.

For me the class overall is a disappointment.

I know the conference sucks and the recruiting budget is one of the worst in the country but I thought they would have recruited better with guys like Hinshaw, Gran and Prunty on staff. I also think losing Tate hurt at least a little bit (granted he probably was going to leave on his own anyways). because he was at least a better recruiter than the two guys they brought in to replace him at the DC.

After the dinner last night, it was pretty clear to me why Prunty was promoted to DC. He must have recruited 75% of the commits in our class.

(02-06-2014 02:17 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 01:42 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 10:46 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Guess Thompson had grade issues. That stinks.

Means we lost 4 of our top 5 rated HS recruits in the last week before NSD (Devers, Atkinson, Williams & Thompson). Ouch.

We also got our most highly rated recruit in the last week, so technically that's an offset and makes your stat 3 out of 5.

Just trying to make myself feel better over here, don't hate.

Which still isn't a good thing. IMO this class would have been decent had they landed Mouhon and kept everyone committed.

For me the class overall is a disappointment.

I know the conference sucks and the recruiting budget is one of the worst in the country but I thought they would have recruited better with guys like Hinshaw, Gran and Prunty on staff. I also think losing Tate hurt at least a little bit (granted he probably was going to leave on his own anyways). because he was at least a better recruiter than the two guys they brought in to replace him at the DC.

After the dinner last night, it was pretty clear to me why Prunty was promoted to DC. He must have recruited 75% of the commits in our class.

Yeah Prunty is the real deal. It's ashame UC doesnt have a couple of other guys like him on the staff to give him some help on the recruiting trail.

I am sure Tommy T firing two coaches weeks before the signing date reflects his thoughts on their recruiting.

(02-06-2014 12:59 PM)BEARCAT991 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 12:28 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 11:47 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  It wouldn't matter this year anyway.

Generally but there are exceptions like McKay. Besides that's not much different for most of the other signees this year - at least the hs ones.

I was referring to graduate transfers like Marquis Aiken, medical hardship such as McKay, or even an uncommitted junior college transfer like Raul Martinez who didn't sign with ODU yesterday.

Yes I'm with you (and CTT) (edit: and Rj and marcus too). I think it's a smart move for us to be able to capitalize on an opportunity if it arises. Worst case presumably is it goes to a walk-on - which then makes walking-on at UC all the more attractive.

"Sam Kwiatkowski ‏@SKwiatkowski247 58m

After watching film and talking w/ Carter Jacobs, the fact that he's a two-star recruit is laughable. Bearcats stole one from SEC territory."


Jacobs along with Krizancic were a couple of our two stars that I was really stoked about, both were big time talents that I thought had been under evaluated. At least we held onto Jacobs. On the other end of the spectrum, I think the Kimoni Fitz is a bit over rated, given the level of talent he played against. And don't get me started on the ridiculousness that is Kevin Mouhons drop in rating over the past two football-less weeks.

(02-06-2014 04:02 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  "Sam Kwiatkowski ‏@SKwiatkowski247 58m

After watching film and talking w/ Carter Jacobs, the fact that he's a two-star recruit is laughable. Bearcats stole one from SEC territory."


Jacobs along with Krizancic were a couple of our two stars that I was really stoked about, both were big time talents that I thought had been under evaluated. At least we held onto Jacobs. On the other end of the spectrum, I think the Kimoni Fitz is a bit over rated, given the level of talent he played against. And don't get me started on the ridiculousness that is Kevin Mouhons drop in rating over the past two football-less weeks.

I saw Jacobs on ESPN early in the season, and It was evident to the untrained eye(me) that he was a special talent. He was all over the field defending passes and making tackles. He had already committed at this point and I was nervous about holding onto him. At the time we were in with Issac McKenzie and he also had a great game. I think at the time t Mckenzie was rated a 79 by 247. Subsequently, he rose to a 94 and ended up with Georgia.

I'm so confused. I hear, on one hand, ppl complaining about rankings. We all know the drill....kids get higher rankings when bigger schools recruit them. Etc.

Conversely, we hear ppl attribute the entire worth of a recruit to said rankings. This is quite obviously at odds.

Honest question here, how do ppl reconcile this? It can't really be both ways.





mc

(02-07-2014 10:57 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  I'm so confused. I hear, on one hand, ppl complaining about rankings. We all know the drill....kids get higher rankings when bigger schools recruit them. Etc.

Conversely, we hear ppl attribute the entire worth of a recruit to said rankings. This is quite obviously at odds.

Honest question here, how do ppl reconcile this? It can't really be both ways.





mc

I think you have to consolidate it by looking at two factors combined: rankings and scholarship offers. If a recruit is rated a 3* player by Rivals, for example, and has offers from the likes of Tennessee, Florida, Nebraska, Texas A&M, he's probably a legit prospect. But if a 3* kid has offers from across the MAC, there's something fishy there.

In general, a 4* or 5* prospect will always have offers from major programs, 2* will have offers from minor programs, but it's the 3* recruits where it can go either way. To me, I'm happy seeing players who have at least a couple of offers from the solid P5 schools like 3* recruit Spencer Williams with Nebraska, Mizzou, and Auburn. It's the 3* recruits with MAC offers that look like more "projects" on the surface.

Unfortunately most people don't understand how or take the time to consolidate them and only focus on the rankings. Frankly, I don't blame them, it's easier that way.

I generally focus on who else has offered a player. Rankings generally follow that but not always.

Nice snippet on our new walk on long snapper:

http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/keith...y-20140206

Is Michael Farkas (P) just a regular walk-on? What binds him to UC?

I didn't really know where to put this topic...

Sooooo, losing Atkinson may end up hurting more than I thought it would if this ends up holding true. I really REALLY hope its just speculation, but the original post and the very first comment don't make me feel very good.

http://cincinnati.247sports.com/Board/39...#a25751431

That would make the fifth 4-star player that ends up doing nothing/very little here. Patrick Coyne, Dyjuan Lewis, and Jameel Poteat have all left the program, and Chris Williams ended his career as a nickleback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing any of these kids, and it still isn't even set in stone that Johnson would be leaving, but man that is just really bad luck. Haha maybe its a good thing Kevin Mouhon got downgraded to a 3-star! (although Coyne got downgraded toward the end too.... Crap)

Like others on that board are saying... he would have to sit out TWO years (including losing a year of eligibility) since he is transferring within conference. He would have to REALLY want out if he is willing to do that. Hopefully this is in regard to someone else and Johnson will be a stud. I mean he was a TT get so I would imagine that relationship was at one time at least quite strong. He was a big surprise last year.

Just checked his twitter. He was retweeting various UC things on signing day. Has other UC tweets, none with negativity.

Also hearing things about some "non voluntary" defections as well... hmmmm.

(02-08-2014 12:46 PM)dbernie41 Wrote:  Also hearing things about some "non voluntary" defections as well... hmmmm.

Do tell. What are you hearing? Put a disclaimer on it that is just rumors.

(02-02-2014 10:51 PM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 10:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 09:43 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

Quote:Brody Tonn (@brodytonn)
2 Feb 2014 8:57 PM EST
@BlackSwarm_76 congrats bro but what happened with cincy?

Nathaniel Devers (@BlackSwarm_76)
2 Feb 2014 8:58 PM EST
@brodytonn just a loss of trust

This is bullsh!t if true.

One of our top recruits and he goes to Marshall due to not trusting the word of our coaches 3 days before NSD...nice.

We don't know the complete story but stuff like the "loss of trust" happens at every single program in the country

Based upon his tweet and the vague injury reports, I was thinking it might be a greyshirt issue but didn't want to speculate:

Quote:...One of the reasons Devers flipped from Cincinnati to Marshall is the Bearcats wanted him to grayshirt.

"It was like a slap in the face to me," said Devers, who had been committed to the Bearcats since June 10. "That was (January 27). I reopened my recruitment and started looking for another place. I called all of the coaches who had previously offered me."

...Devers loves it even more now that fellow Buckeye State native Kaleb Harris flipped from Cincinnati to Marshall on Signing Day.

"We were going to be roommates at Cincinnati," said Devers, a three-star recruit who had scholarship offers from Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Connecticut, Indiana, Marshall, Ohio and Toledo. "We are pretty good friends, and we wanted to go to college together."...

Reading into it a bit, I can see both sides although I wonder if the greyshirt issue still would have been a deal-breaker given how things eventually worked out. Either way, good luck to him at Marshall.

Best wishes to them, let's go Cats.

(02-08-2014 04:55 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 10:51 PM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 10:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 09:43 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

Quote:Brody Tonn (@brodytonn)
2 Feb 2014 8:57 PM EST
@BlackSwarm_76 congrats bro but what happened with cincy?

Nathaniel Devers (@BlackSwarm_76)
2 Feb 2014 8:58 PM EST
@brodytonn just a loss of trust

This is bullsh!t if true.

One of our top recruits and he goes to Marshall due to not trusting the word of our coaches 3 days before NSD...nice.

We don't know the complete story but stuff like the "loss of trust" happens at every single program in the country

Based upon his tweet and the vague injury reports, I was thinking it might be a greyshirt issue but didn't want to speculate:

Quote:...One of the reasons Devers flipped from Cincinnati to Marshall is the Bearcats wanted him to grayshirt.

"It was like a slap in the face to me," said Devers, who had been committed to the Bearcats since June 10. "That was (January 27). I reopened my recruitment and started looking for another place. I called all of the coaches who had previously offered me."

...Devers loves it even more now that fellow Buckeye State native Kaleb Harris flipped from Cincinnati to Marshall on Signing Day.

"We were going to be roommates at Cincinnati," said Devers, a three-star recruit who had scholarship offers from Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Connecticut, Indiana, Marshall, Ohio and Toledo. "We are pretty good friends, and we wanted to go to college together."...

Reading into it a bit, I can see both sides although I wonder if the greyshirt issue still would have been a deal-breaker given how things eventually worked out. Either way, good luck to him at Marshall.

Ugh. Thats a kick in the crotch.