"Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



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(03-29-2012 10:25 AM)ConanX Wrote:  "Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



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ND will always "matter", despite what certain message board posters and some "sportswriters" may desire.

The fact that we seem to discuss every single day about whether ND matters is proof in and of itself that ND still matters.

Good for ND, they don't "matter" to me, but hey if a lot of people care good for them. I don't watch them, but then again I have been watching less and less college football every year outside of East Carolina related games, and that trend is probably going to continue.

(03-29-2012 10:25 AM)ConanX Wrote:  "Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



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So Notre Dame matters more than the entire Big East according to this quote??

(03-29-2012 10:37 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:25 AM)ConanX Wrote:  "Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



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So Notre Dame matters more than the entire Big East according to this quote??

Has that ever been up for debate? Now the BE is helped by the fact that they do have an association with ND, but of course ND matters more than the entire BE.

Makes you wonder if BE would have been omitted from this qoute if Pitt, WV, and Syracuse were not leaving....

(03-29-2012 10:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:25 AM)ConanX Wrote:  "Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



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ND will always "matter", despite what certain message board posters and some "sportswriters" may desire.

Things change. The "U" used to matter...but not so much now. TCU mattered in the early days, and then went a long time not mattering. UCLA used to be on everyone's mind for bball, not so much now.

ND continues to fade. Without some sort of spark, they won't matter so much.

(03-29-2012 10:42 AM)ConanX Wrote:  Makes you wonder if BE would have been omitted from this qoute if Pitt, WV, and Syracuse were not leaving....

The Big East still matters. Once they renegotiate their contracts, they will matter a lot more than people think.

(03-29-2012 10:44 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:25 AM)ConanX Wrote:  "Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



6 v 6

ND will always "matter", despite what certain message board posters and some "sportswriters" may desire.

Things change. The "U" used to matter...but not so much now. TCU mattered in the early days, and then went a long time not mattering. UCLA used to be on everyone's mind for bball, not so much now.

ND continues to fade. Without some sort of spark, they won't matter so much.

So people keep saying. Yet here they are years after being proclaimed irrelevant still mattering.

With Jack Swarbrick heading up the Big East expansion committee (hand picking the new additions) and with the departure of Syracuse, Pitt and WVU, ND is arguably the driving force keeping the Big East Conference going.

Remember, self interest is the rule. Keeping the Big East going allows ND to play its other sports there and stay independent in football.

I agree with TOGC. I think that the Big East will do fairly well with a new TV contract.

(03-29-2012 10:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:37 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:25 AM)ConanX Wrote:  "Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



6 v 6

So Notre Dame matters more than the entire Big East according to this quote??

Has that ever been up for debate? Now the BE is helped by the fact that they do have an association with ND, but of course ND matters more than the entire BE.

(03-29-2012 10:51 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:44 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:25 AM)ConanX Wrote:  "Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



6 v 6

ND will always "matter", despite what certain message board posters and some "sportswriters" may desire.

Things change. The "U" used to matter...but not so much now. TCU mattered in the early days, and then went a long time not mattering. UCLA used to be on everyone's mind for bball, not so much now.

ND continues to fade. Without some sort of spark, they won't matter so much.

So people keep saying. Yet here they are years after being proclaimed irrelevant still mattering.

I have personally heard this stuff since 1964. Those folks have been wrong every time and all along since then.

I do agree that ND needs to start making and winning BCS (or playoff) games in the near future.

But, ND "matters" very much to the college presidents, other conferences, bowl committees, TV executives and its nationwide fan base.

Notre Dame matters so much it gets two votes: its own and the Big East's. Marinatto will do whatever his Irish overlords say for certain.

(03-29-2012 10:51 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:44 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  ND continues to fade. Without some sort of spark, they won't matter so much.

So people keep saying. Yet here they are years after being proclaimed irrelevant still mattering.

Who proclaimed them irrelevant previously?

And what proves they're relevant anyway?

Let's see a 11-1 ND get invited over a 12-0 BCS team to the championship game. It won't happen.

(03-29-2012 10:44 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-29-2012 10:25 AM)ConanX Wrote:  "Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



6 v 6

ND will always "matter", despite what certain message board posters and some "sportswriters" may desire.

Things change. The "U" used to matter...but not so much now. TCU mattered in the early days, and then went a long time not mattering. UCLA used to be on everyone's mind for bball, not so much now.

ND continues to fade. Without some sort of spark, they won't matter so much.

Miami and UCLA still matter greatly for TV purposes, which is really all that matters. Don't confuse recent on-the-field results with long-term off-the-field power. It's the biggest mistake I see on message boards and blogs. History and tradition are highly underrated by "what have you done for me lately" fans. Remember that we're dealing with academia here, which is the single most snobby prestige perception-oriented old money group of people in America.

(03-29-2012 10:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  With Jack Swarbrick heading up the Big East expansion committee (hand picking the new additions) and with the departure of Syracuse, Pitt and WVU, ND is arguably the driving force keeping the Big East Conference going.

Remember, self interest is the rule. Keeping the Big East going allows ND to play its other sports there and stay independent in football.

I agree with TOGC. I think that the Big East will do fairly well with a new TV contract.

I was skeptical but with Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp jumping into the game, there just might be a bidding war for sports content.

(03-29-2012 10:28 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The fact that we seem to discuss every single day about whether ND matters is proof in and of itself that ND still matters.

Duh.

Some may not like it, but it's obviously true.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-29-2012 10:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  With Jack Swarbrick heading up the Big East expansion committee (hand picking the new additions) and with the departure of Syracuse, Pitt and WVU, ND is arguably the driving force keeping the Big East Conference going.

Remember, self interest is the rule. Keeping the Big East going allows ND to play its other sports there and stay independent in football.

I agree with TOGC. I think that the Big East will do fairly well with a new TV contract.

Of course, ND was a driving force behind the TCU and upgrading Villanova expansion plan and look how that worked out.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-29-2012 10:57 AM)EERSFAN Wrote:  Notre Dame matters so much it gets two votes: its own and the Big East's. Marinatto will do whatever his Irish overlords say for certain.

For a long time I thought the BE would be better off telling ND to take a hike. Now even if they wanted to they can't afford to. ND alone probably has the power to keep the BE relevant, and from comments like the ones in that article it's kinda obvious that without ND the BE doesn't have any sway in the room.

(03-29-2012 10:42 AM)ConanX Wrote:  Makes you wonder if BE would have been omitted from this qoute if Pitt, WV, and Syracuse were not leaving....

They probably wouldn't have. Although Delany and Scott always talk about the 7 founders. So to say the Big East doesn't matter at all is poppycock. On the other hand do they matter as much as the other 6 founders? No. With Miami, Va Tech, BC, WVU, Cuse and Pitt all in the Big 12 or ACC, the only originals left are Rutgers and Temple and at that Temple has been out in the wilderness for 8 years. Unfortunately if ND helped keep us relevant during the 2003 round of realignment, they're completely necessary to keep us relevant now. In some ways its a mutually beneficial relationship the Big East allows them a high quality league for basketball and non-revenue sports and also allows them to stay independent in football. They in turn have been increasingly the guy to keep the Big East in the BCS mix.