being barely conscious L, you don't have to be concerned with reality. Its like the chicken who is unaware even when the farmer picks up his axe.

Why don't you just beat it and come back and brag when the ACC expands to 14, Louisville and UC don't go to the Big East, the Big East hosts a 5th BCS bowl against a mid-major with a 4 million dollar payout, Syracuse joins the Big 10, etc. etc.

Sandman, I thought you were going to have a heart attack before you finished that post.

1. I wasn't around when Louisville went to the Big East so don't try to hang that on me.

2. As for SMU, I defended them in the face of a continous verbal onslaught by your fans. What difference does it make when they finished it the top 10...they did and you didn't. You not only didn't do it in the 80's , you haven't done it since.

3. I was on the Frog CUSA forum for all of a week and haven't been back so that is not valid.

I know that Louisville has some great fans, CJ is one of them. But in all my life I have never seen such an arrogant group of people considering the program they tout in football does not have a single signature acomplishment in its entire history.
Spent two weeks at my brothers house in Oklahoma City this summer. Standing in the fron yard talking to has neighbor (a guy who has no reason to grind an axe about UL) he says..."Whats has happenend to Houston football." He pauses for a moment and then says..."playing people like Louisville, UAB and West Carolina you won't go anywhere." Doesn't that say it all...you can't get there with arrogance, you can't get there with talk and insults. You gotta be able to walk the walk and you never have.

TopCoog Wrote:Sandman, I thought you were going to have a heart attack before you finished that post.

1. I wasn't around when Louisville went to the Big East so don't try to hang that on me.

2. As for SMU, I defended them in the face of a continous verbal onslaught by your fans. What difference does it make when they finished it the top 10...they did and you didn't. You not only didn't do it in the 80's , you haven't done it since.

3. I was on the Frog CUSA forum for all of a week and haven't been back so that is not valid.

I know that Louisville has some great fans, CJ is one of them. But in all my life I have never seen such an arrogant group of people considering the program they tout in football does not have a single signature acomplishment in its entire history.
Spent two weeks at my brothers house in Oklahoma City this summer. Standing in the fron yard talking to has neighbor (a guy who has no reason to grind an axe about UL) he says..."Whats has happenend to Houston football." He pauses for a moment and then says..."playing people like Louisville, UAB and West Carolina you won't go anywhere." Doesn't that say it all...you can't get there with arrogance, you can't get there with talk and insults. You gotta be able to walk the walk and you never have.

So now it turns to straight Louisville bashing. :laugh:

Yeah, L-yes I'll do some Louisville bashing WHEN it is deserved. Some Louisville fans have an attitude problem, there is no question about that. Keep in mind that Trangese didn't want you in the first place. He didn't offer you that spot on your merits, you got it because he had to have somebody. If he could have BC, VT and Miami back he would dump you in a heart beat for ANY of the three. Its notable that they didn't offer you a spot while their power teams were still there. A little humility on your part would be much more appealing and make you look one heck of a lot better. You got a long long way to go.....

TopCoog Wrote:Yeah, L-yes I'll do some Louisville bashing WHEN it is deserved. Some Louisville fans have an attitude problem, there is no question about that. Keep in mind that Trangese didn't want you in the first place. He didn't offer you that spot on your merits, you got it because he had to have somebody. If he could have BC, VT and Miami back he would dump you in a heart beat for ANY of the three. Its notable that they didn't offer you a spot while their power teams were still there. A little humility on your part would be much more appealing and make you look one heck of a lot better. You got a long long way to go.....

Again you have no idea what you are talking about. Tom Jurich, the UofL AD, was going to be Mike Tranghese's personal guest at the BCS meetings last year prior to ACC expansion. UofL was already going, it was just a matter of when.

Everybody who reads what you just said will be rolling in the floor. That is revisionist nonsense and you know it. Show us one source dated prior to the Miami rumors where that is true. TJ spent half of that process hedging his bets with both leagues.

I'll try to get this back on subject. I won't believe anything about this until it actually makes a newspaper. It would be great if it happened, but it would have some risk in it. I bet the A10 won't play only 14 conference games like C-USA will be so that the Tigers can improve their RPI. The football part is a no brainer because you just can't turn down a possible 8 figure check every year. My only concern would be what if the split doesn't happen. Who knows, everyone might like the 16 team league, no one knows yet because they haven't played in it yet.

I'm personally very opposed to partial memberships. However, if it was an agreed, wriitten, and temporary arrangement of no more than 2 years with full new-split-BE access guarenteed. Yeah I think I could live with that. Leaving CUSA without a guarentee for full access would be too big a risk. Most of us have come to terms with the membership of New CUSA and see potential there. Many of these programs are steppping it up in the two major sports. Baseball will compete at the highest level league-wide. If we were to leave, and then things somehow fall apart with BE full membership, it's not like we could go back. Being stuck in split-limbo has to be avoided.

How many teams are going to be in the A-10 starting next year anyway? St. Louis and Charlotte are added. Is anyone leaving?

Don't worry tiger, the chance of a Big East split is about the same as old faithful spewing Koolaide. Trangese isn't about to dump 30 million people out of his basketball TV contract. The so called split is one of the favorities over here on the NBE board but there is not a kernel of data to back up the possibility.

A-10 is adding Boston U also.

Interesting rumor. I'd like to see how it plays out.

But for the sake of argument, let's say it's true and that it happens.

So the Big East would have, in effect, taken Cincy, Louisville South Florida and Memphis in football.

Here's what I can't help but wonder. If the Big East needs 9 football playing teams and the final two teams chosen are South Florida and Memphis, is the Big East happier to have South Florida added for basketball while Memphis basketball plays in a different conference, or would the Big East members prefer to have Memphis basketball and let South Florida basketball play in a different conference.?

That's what gets me -- the possibility that USF plays both in the BE while Memphis just plays football.

Because guys, and this is money in the bank, USF has NO interest or commitment to basketball.

:bang:

Coog,
Actually Tom Jurich did attend the BCS meetings with Mike Trangese as his guest in early 2003, before news of Miami leaving the Big East broke. I'm sure the article could be linked from one of Louisville sites. Jurich visiting the BCS was common knowledge here. Thats why if you look back on the Louisville boards you will see posts over 2 to 3 years old about Louisville joining the Big East.
There were 11th hour discussions with Shalala about the Big East picking up Louisville and Cincinnati and continuing on but Miami nix the idea because they wanted to go south at all costs. This information comes from Ron Steiner who was the SID at Miami. He was also at West Virginia and Pittsburgh serving in the same position. He has friends at all 3 universities and he has been a great source of information during this whole process.
He was also the source that debunked all the rumors that where swirling last year about CUSA and the Big East merging because of his contacts at 4 of the schools involved.
CJ

I personally have heard nothing or read anything anywhere about Memphis being ask to join as a partial member, like Temple. That doesn't mean it is not going on. The only thing I have heard is that the Big East and Memphis are talking.
Something to note is that Mike Tranghese will be here in Louisville on the 24th for a Big East get together. Has anyone from Memphis heard of your AD making plans for a trip up this way around that time or is Tranghese visiting down there. That might be something to check out with the media etc there in Memphis. I would be interested in hearing if anything is going on then.
CJ

Quote:The so called split is one of the favorities over here on the NBE board but there is not a kernel of data to back up the possibility.

Except for the Big East bylaws stating that every 5 years, the football schools can re-evaluate the situation and break into two separate leagues without an exit fee penalty if they so desire.

This was shortly after the expansion of Louisville, South Florida, Cincinnati, DePaul, and Marquette.

And the split is probably "one of the favorites over here" because all realistic scenerios for conference expansion (short of Villanova going 1-A ) won't be a possibility until after a split. And call us crazy, but we here at the Big East board like to talk about expansion of the league sometimes, sorry to offend you TopCoog.

Also, I know you think you are being bashed because of your insanely high intelligence and perfect understanding of college football and your 37 years in the media and all us dumb Big East fans are obviously jealous... but the fact that 95% of your opinions on the Big East are extremely negative might have something to do with it to.

It's fine that you think the Big East will have to host it's own BCS bowl (which we won't), only get a 3-4 million dollar payout (haven't seen a single article hint such a thing, but hey, you're in the media, why don't you write an article since you have such a scoop), and only play a mid-major in that bowl (no BCS official has hinted such a thing), but don't keep telling us this over and over without any evidence other than "you guys simply don't understand advertising."

the point is Jim that whatever talk might have taken place it would be premature to say UL was headed for the BE before Miami left. UL has a nice program but some of these little preps who support your program go way over the edge.

nfl, Look at what Trangese does......he adds two more non football schools, Marquette and depaul. He does it because they are good programs and also because they bring millions of people into his basketball TV contract. You guys get so hung up on this football thing you fail to appreciate what an awsome powerhouse he has created in basketball both from a competitive and an economic standpoint.

He brought them in to bring a 8/8 balance between football and basketball schools also.

Makes a split easier. But I agree with you, I think a split isn't in the Big East's best interest currently.

TopCoog Wrote:nfl, Look at what Trangese does......he adds two more non football schools, Marquette and depaul. He does it because they are good programs and also because they bring millions of people into his basketball TV contract. You guys get so hung up on this football thing you fail to appreciate what an awsome powerhouse he has created in basketball both from a competitive and an economic standpoint.

He did that to appease Notre Dame so ND would have some travel partners.

TopCoog Wrote:the point is Jim that whatever talk might have taken place it would be premature to say UL was headed for the BE before Miami left. UL has a nice program but some of these little preps who support your program go way over the edge.

The point is that you're wrong again.