"The 9th football only member will most likely happen first. If the NCAA sactions permanent 12 game schedules, the Big East will make a move. I could see a 9th member for even 2005 and it would probably be an academy."


Exactly.....I would expect some kind of Army-Navy combo......however...if one football only member is to be added...expect Navy....I'm sure the BE is hoping the addition of Navy will help draw in ND


Jackson

Kit-Cat Wrote:

3601 Wrote:What will happen first?

Big East adds 9th football only member

or

Eight Big East FB playing schools split from 8 Big East non-FB playing schools (including ND), form an all sports conference, and add anywhere from one to four schools?

The 9th football only member will most likely happen first. If the NCAA sactions permanent 12 game schedules, the Big East will make a move. I could see a 9th member for even 2005 and it would probably be an academy.

The Big East won't split into a football/basketball league for at least 5 years. They want to get the NBE football league established before setting off on their own. Also, would the Big East Footballers really make more money from a split? Travel costs will go up with a split, which would probably offset any additional revenue. If Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, St.John's, DePaul, Marquette ect end up dominating Big East basketball, the football schools will be forced to stay if they want to maintain a good football deal. In short, much is up in the air regarding the future of a split.

Hell yes the football schools would stand to make money on a split! Follow the NCAA unit earners my friend, it ain't georgetown and saint johns I assure you. As far as adding football only members that is a huge mistake for if a split does occur what do you do? Add Army basketball? This is a little loopy imo.

L-yes Wrote:This is a little loopy imo.

And what in the heck do you call this? Its rediculous. :laugh:

L-yes Wrote:Hell yes the football schools would stand to make money on a split! Follow the NCAA unit earners my friend, it ain't georgetown and saint johns I assure you. As far as adding football only members that is a huge mistake for if a split does occur what do you do? Add Army basketball? This is a little loopy imo.

Damn...I agree with L-Yes...hara-kiri time!

Seriously, if the FB/Non-FB split is inevitable, why would a FB team be added just to get to nine if that team isn't likely become a full member of the new FB conference if it forms? The scenario is even worse if you consider an Army/Navy combo...

In the end, you'll have to choose between keeping a team that does not necessarily have the same goals as the rest of the conference or cutting that team loose and looking bad...in this case, you'd look especially bad since the school being cut loose would be an academy.

I guess what I'm really saying, is IF a 9th team were added, it needs to be one the FB schools plan on keeping around as a full member after any split occurs.

Kit-Cat Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:This is a little loopy imo.

And what in the heck do you call this? Its rediculous. :laugh:

Hey, at least it's not the Cardinal pinching off a loaf... :D

"I guess what I'm really saying, is IF a 9th team were added, it needs to be one the FB schools plan on keeping around as a full member after any split occurs."


-- That is a good point...I guess the short answer would be that if a football only member were added...that school would be invited to keep its football only membership with the league that will be formed by the football schools.

-- If Army and Navy would be added....it will only be a partial membership....4 conference games each plus playing each other

-- A lot of people are assuming it is a foregone conclusion that ND will side with the bball onlys when the split occurs....I for one am not so sure...What will the Irish do for the bowl tie ins? I'm sure the BE football schools will not let a team in another conference be apart of there contract and no other conference is going to give ND the sweet heart deal it now has with the BE. Where is the 7-4 or 8-3 ND bowl team going to go? There are going to have to associate themeselves with some kind of football league somewhere...or just join the Big 10

-- I have heard that ND had verbally agreed to join the proposed all sports league last summer....if you recall at the time the league still had Boston College as a member and it seemed obvious that the football schools were going to seperate from the BE.... the idea was that the 8 football schools would play each other yearly....the BE would have then announced the addition of Navy and ND and each of those schools would have played 4- 5 conference games each yr ( This would have worked well for ND since they play Navy, BC and Pitt reguarly anyway) ...but BC jumped to the ACC....which probably turned ND off to the idea a little bit....the 16 team BE was formed and so on....

-- Anyway....the point is the BE may still be dreaming of an all sports league of the 8 BE football schools and ND ( partial football membership, rest of the Irish sports included) and Navy (football only)....I am not sure that is still possible....but that may be the thought proccess


Jackson

<span style='color:blue'>"I have heard that ND had verbally agreed to join the proposed all sports league last summer....if you recall at the time the league still had Boston College as a member and it seemed obvious that the football schools were going to seperate from the BE.... the idea was that the 8 football schools would play each other yearly....the BE would have then announced the addition of Navy and ND and each of those schools would have played 4- 5 conference games each yr ( This would have worked well for ND since they play Navy, BC and Pitt reguarly anyway) ...but BC jumped to the ACC....which probably turned ND off to the idea a little bit....the 16 team BE was formed and so on...."</span>

Separating from the basketball schools fell apart. Not sure if the football schools lost the support of Notre Dame, or the NCAA credits couldn't be resolved, or a couple of other issues (who gets to keep the BE name & MSG for the tourney, the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament, etc).

When this unraveled, Notre Dame did not pursue ACC membership, and (probably) sided with the basketball schools. They also renewed their contract with NBC (not sure if that is pertinent). When the football schools were no longer breaking away, then Boston College went back to the ACC (once ND was out of the picture there) to seek an invitation.

Cat's_Claw Wrote:It doesn't matter why Army left, the bottomline is that Army, along with Navy, is considering the Big East because the conference is more geographically friendly, save for South Florida, and they relate more with the Big East schools. Money IS an issue with the academies, as mentioned in one of the articles I posted, and it makes sense that they would seriously consider a conference that gives them a BCS connection, strong bowl ties, and a conference with friendly and familiar geographical ties, something C-USA couldn't give them, and probably the major reason they left.

Even when someone agree with you you continue to feel you have to prove a point or something. You keep harping on the money thing with Army. Army is not broke and will never be broke. They're looking for ways to save and make more money. Who isn't?

Chill out dude and stop being so damn argumentative.

Jackson1011 Wrote:-- Then how do you explain Air Force's success??

My understanding is that the entrance requirements are much more lax at Colorado Springs than at Annapolis and West Point.

3601 Wrote:

Jackson1011 Wrote:-- Then how do you explain Air Force's success??

My understanding is that the entrance requirements are much more lax at Colorado Springs than at Annapolis and West Point.

Given the caliber of some of the people I've known that went there, I'd have to agree. Still good, but not exactly West Point or Annapolis caliber.

Air weenies!