The actual fee is $40.35 per credit hour ($484 per semester for someone w/ 12 hours). And, yes, ODU does rely heavily on student fees to comprise it's athletics budget. However, ODU still manages to offer one of the lowest tuition rates in the state of Virginia (the only D1 school in Virginia with lower tuition is Norfolk State). Furthermore, the admin has promised to put a freeze on the increase of athletic fees throughout the move. Leading many to believe that once ODU increases it's stadium capacity and begins to see an increase in revenue, the fees will decline.

Lastly, let's not act like that USA Today ranking wasn't filled with . Virginia is one of the only states that has a law that actually prohibits burying/hiding the athletics subsidy percentage in their tuition. We all know that many of the schools would do anything to hide the true number. Do you know how much of the $787 (or $1574 per year) in fees goes towards athletics? I'd really like to know, because that information isn't offered freely online by ECU.

(11-29-2012 07:17 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  The actual fee is $40.35 per credit hour ($484 per semester for someone w/ 12 hours). And, yes, ODU does rely heavily on student fees to comprise it's athletics budget. However, ODU still manages to offer one of the lowest tuition rates in the state of Virginia (the only D1 school in Virginia with lower tuition is Norfolk State). Furthermore, the admin has promised to put a freeze on the increase of athletic fees throughout the move. Leading many to believe that once ODU increases it's stadium capacity and begins to see an increase in revenue, the fees will decline.

Lastly, let's not act like that USA Today ranking wasn't filled with . Virginia is one of the only states that has a law that actually prohibits burying/hiding the athletics subsidy percentage in their tuition. We all know that many of the schools would do anything to hide the true number. Do you know how much of the $787 (or $1574 per year) in fees goes towards athletics? I'd really like to know, because that information isn't offered freely online by ECU.

I don't care how ODU compares to Virginia. This was your cohorts lame attempt at smack, that I disproved.

So, you dispute the numbers, but you can't prove it. So it MUST be a hack job from the USA Today. Of course, it all makes sense.

I guess your Google fu is as strong as your rebuttal skills. After exhaustively searching Google, the third result gave you all the fees for 2011-2012. The fifth result gives you the ECU 2013-2014 Tuition/Fee Proposal from the Board of Trustees.

I'm done doing your work.

(11-29-2012 08:03 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  I don't care how ODU compares to Virginia. This was your cohorts lame attempt at smack, that I disproved.

So, you dispute the numbers, but you can't prove it. So it MUST be a hack job from the USA Today. Of course, it all makes sense.

I guess your Google fu is as strong as your rebuttal skills. After exhaustively searching Google, the third result gave you all the fees for 2011-2012. The fifth result gives you the ECU 2013-2014 Tuition/Fee Proposal from the Board of Trustees.

I'm done doing your work.

Geez, you are wound tight. Relax, just trying to give you another viewpoint of why ODU charges such high fees.

From the Washington Post:

Quote:Virginia's fees are particularly high because it is one of a few states that forbid public universities to use tuition to subsidize athletics, university officials said.

LINK

Until the USA Today starts including the amount funneled from tuition, it's not complete.

(11-29-2012 06:07 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 03:04 PM)monarchman Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 02:51 PM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  Our overall athletic program is light years ahead of Marshall and ECU for that matter.

^ And that sir is the truth.

Our administrations approach is very simple, we raise the money, hire and fire the right people, and then win. I don't know the budgets of all of the incoming schools, but ODU will have the largest athletic budget of the remaining CUSA schools.

First off, with your attempted smack talk about our athletic office and yours.
Our 2011 budget was over $34mil, vs yours under $33mil. Yeah, sure it is close.

But wait, what is this? A subsidy (Student Fees)? So that is the reason. 73% of your athletics revenue come from your poor students. You charge over $1000 (in 2011) for JUST the athletic fee. Hell our university fees (Student Activities Fee/Indebtedness Fees/Special Fees/Athletics Fee) for spring 2013 is only $787.

That 73% would put you as the 8th highest percent subsidy in FBS (a bunch of MACers are above). Your budget without student fees is 9mil.

So I wonder what the "remaining CUSA schools" budgets are, when not factoring in that subsidy.

• Marshall - 15 mil
• UTEP - 14 mil
• USM - 12 mil
• UAB - 9 mil
• ECU - 21mil (since you called us out.)
  

If you use the actual numbers, you're last. UAB has around 70k on you.

And a fun paragraph from that article above:

Quote:Without ODU's student fees, the athletics department would have lost $119 million in the decade spanning the 2000-01 to 2009-10 school years, according to state financial records. During that time, ODU increased annual student athletic fees by 105 percent - $549 per student - with most of the hike coming in the five years following the decision to add football.

Kinda sad to "pound your chest" when the students HAVE to pay this. Hell, your president stated "We're reaching our limit, approaching our threshold, of what we can tack on to student fees for athletics".

So yes, your budget will be technically the top in the new CUSA. But it is a deceiving way to show it.

Really guy?

The USA Today link you have leads to a chart that is a supplement to an actual article written about rising athletic costs and student fees. Here's the article:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...orts_N.htm

About half way down you'll find this collection of links:

CHAT TRANSCRIPT: Discussion of college athletics and student fees
STUDENTS: Unaware of usage of fees and less interested in athletics
DISCLOSURE: Laws in place in Virginia and Tennessee
ANALYSIS: percentage of tuition that goes to athletics
DATABASE: What NCAA schools spend on athletics

The "DATABASE" link is the one you included in your post. You see the one I bolded but you really don't even have to click it to see that there's bias in your numbers, half of the article talks about VA schools.

Quote:
"At least six schools — all in Virginia — charged each of their students more than $1,000 as an athletics fee for the 2008-09 school year. That ranged from 10% to more than 23% of the total tuition and mandatory-fee charges for in-state students, the primary customers at most public universities."

"At least five states, including Virginia, ban or limit the use of public and/or tuition money for athletics. For some schools in those states, relatively large fee charges become an alternative. In other states, on top of dedicated fees that might or might not have been approved by students, athletics departments often get other financial support from their schools."

So you either are just ignoring this info to be misleading or more likely you just have picked up the database link from some other messageboard post attempting to talk smack in your own lame attempt to talk smack.

ODU certainly does have high student fees but have you looked at our non-revenue sports? Do you have any idea how much it costs to support a sailing team? Me neither but we can both guess how much revenue it brings in. Olympic Gold Medalist and ODU alum Anna Tunnicliffe might know. And the 24,000+ students enrolled there don't seem to mind, they're perfectly happy singing Ice Cream and Cake.

It's cool, I know how it is. I'm not about disrespecting other schools but if you come at me well..

(11-30-2012 09:54 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 06:07 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 03:04 PM)monarchman Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 02:51 PM)Cant Tame the Lion Wrote:  Our overall athletic program is light years ahead of Marshall and ECU for that matter.

^ And that sir is the truth.

Our administrations approach is very simple, we raise the money, hire and fire the right people, and then win. I don't know the budgets of all of the incoming schools, but ODU will have the largest athletic budget of the remaining CUSA schools.

First off, with your attempted smack talk about our athletic office and yours.
Our 2011 budget was over $34mil, vs yours under $33mil. Yeah, sure it is close.

But wait, what is this? A subsidy (Student Fees)? So that is the reason. 73% of your athletics revenue come from your poor students. You charge over $1000 (in 2011) for JUST the athletic fee. Hell our university fees (Student Activities Fee/Indebtedness Fees/Special Fees/Athletics Fee) for spring 2013 is only $787.

That 73% would put you as the 8th highest percent subsidy in FBS (a bunch of MACers are above). Your budget without student fees is 9mil.

So I wonder what the "remaining CUSA schools" budgets are, when not factoring in that subsidy.

• Marshall - 15 mil
• UTEP - 14 mil
• USM - 12 mil
• UAB - 9 mil
• ECU - 21mil (since you called us out.)
  

If you use the actual numbers, you're last. UAB has around 70k on you.

And a fun paragraph from that article above:

Quote:Without ODU's student fees, the athletics department would have lost $119 million in the decade spanning the 2000-01 to 2009-10 school years, according to state financial records. During that time, ODU increased annual student athletic fees by 105 percent - $549 per student - with most of the hike coming in the five years following the decision to add football.

Kinda sad to "pound your chest" when the students HAVE to pay this. Hell, your president stated "We're reaching our limit, approaching our threshold, of what we can tack on to student fees for athletics".

So yes, your budget will be technically the top in the new CUSA. But it is a deceiving way to show it.

Really guy?

The USA Today link you have leads to a chart that is a supplement to an actual article written about rising athletic costs and student fees. Here's the article:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...orts_N.htm

About half way down you'll find this collection of links:

CHAT TRANSCRIPT: Discussion of college athletics and student fees
STUDENTS: Unaware of usage of fees and less interested in athletics
DISCLOSURE: Laws in place in Virginia and Tennessee
ANALYSIS: percentage of tuition that goes to athletics
DATABASE: What NCAA schools spend on athletics

The "DATABASE" link is the one you included in your post. You see the one I bolded but you really don't even have to click it to see that there's bias in your numbers, half of the article talks about VA schools.

Quote:
"At least six schools — all in Virginia — charged each of their students more than $1,000 as an athletics fee for the 2008-09 school year. That ranged from 10% to more than 23% of the total tuition and mandatory-fee charges for in-state students, the primary customers at most public universities."

"At least five states, including Virginia, ban or limit the use of public and/or tuition money for athletics. For some schools in those states, relatively large fee charges become an alternative. In other states, on top of dedicated fees that might or might not have been approved by students, athletics departments often get other financial support from their schools."

So you either are just ignoring this info to be misleading or more likely you just have picked up the database link from some other messageboard post attempting to talk smack in your own lame attempt to talk smack.

ODU certainly does have high student fees but have you looked at our non-revenue sports? Do you have any idea how much it costs to support a sailing team? Me neither but we can both guess how much revenue it brings in. Olympic Gold Medalist and ODU alum Anna Tunnicliffe might know. And the 24,000+ students enrolled there don't seem to mind, they're perfectly happy singing Ice Cream and Cake.

It's cool, I know how it is. I'm not about disrespecting other schools but if you come at me well..

There will be consequences... serious consequences!!!!