(12-08-2012 10:18 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 07:57 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Would WVU accept an ACC invitation if it was extended? I think they would.

The question is, assuming WVU was available during the last expansion, "Would the ACC extend an invite to WVU?" It would likely have come down to 3 candidates - Louisville, WVU and UConn

Academics - UConn (63), Louisville (160), WVU (165)
Football - WVU, Louisville, UConn
Basketball - Louisville, UConn, WVU

Assuming the FB schools would have pressed for WVU and the blue-bloods pressed for Uconn, I think Louisville still gets the invite as the compromise candidate.

Definitely would have been interesting. From a TV standpoint you'd have WV-Pitt, WV-SU, and WV-VT. That alone is compelling enough to get some serious interest.

(12-08-2012 09:12 AM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  WVU has been trying to get into the ACC for 50+ years but they couldn't. Last year when everything was going down they panicked when Syracuse and Pitt left and went to almost every conference trying to get out. The Big 12 finally let them in after the SEC and ACC said no. For the last year they've been gloating about it on our boards about how we're getting left behind after they claimed we tried to "steal" their spot in the Big 12.

Fast forward to two weeks ago when the ACC announced Louisville was being added after Maryland left. Not only was the ACC stabilizing after losing a charter member but the school they laughed at the past year was being accepted into the same league they dreamed about joining the past half century.

So now WVU has to ship their team halfway across the country only to get beat by 30 every game in locations their fans can't travel to while the rivals they laughed at are set to join the conference located in their backyard that snubbed them at every opportunity. In addition had they stayed in the Big East one more year they would've competed for a BCS game but instead their insecurity bought them a 7-5 season and a bowl appearance in freezing NYC against..........wait for it............a Big East team. Karma, anyone?

But hey, at least they're getting half of a good TV deal the next five years, right?

I believe that Louisville was also trying to get into the Big 12 at the same time as WVU....Is that correct? No one "stole" the other's spot, both teams fought for (at the time) the last lifeboat off a sinking ship. WVU happened to get that spot. I feel that if Louisville had became the 10th member of the Big 12, we still would have gotten snubbed by the ACC and UConn would have taken Louisville's spot in the ACC. Thus, it was a good move for us.

We might have competed in a BCS bowl this year if we had stayed in the Big East, but what about after the BCS ceases to exist? Plus, I think we still make more money with half of the Big 12 TV deal then we did with the whole Big East TV deal....

What you call insecurity I call foresight. We still don't know how all this realignment is going to be played out. But I'd take a bowl game in NYC vs SU then some bowl game in Alabama or Mississippi vs a C-USA/Sunbelt team. Big 12's bowl games are better then Big East's bowl games.

Texas and Oklahoma are two of the biggest schools that we probably have played in the last 10-15 years and we get to play them yearly, so thats also better then the Big East. That Texas game was probably the biggest roadgame we've played in a long, long time, but I'm just rambling now. Good luck with Florida.

(12-07-2012 07:57 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Would WVU accept an ACC invitation if it was extended? I think they would.

They would if they weren't so financially entangled in the Big12. The Big 12 is helping to finance their large BE exit and and WVU has also signed the grant of rights agreement. They're just way to in debt to the B12 to move within the next five or so years. Otherwise, they absolutely would have accepted because unlike a lot of their delusional fans, the administration at that school realizes the realities of being 870 miles from their closest conference school. And honestly, Pitt would love them to be in the ACC and tried to package them with us to the B12 when we were being recruited and also recommended them to the ACC when we were invited.

Of course, the problems are obvious. They bring no real market, no recruiting turf, and academically there are institutional realities related to their mission of educating the entire state of West Virginia that will prevent them from ever really improving their standing (unlike Louisville). But, they would have brought a solid athletic department with a state flag ship fan base that is rabid and larger than UL's (if not significantly more embarrassing by their conduct) and they would have given the ACC a few higher profile rivalry games. I think Pitt would love to see them in the ACC because of the value of the Backyard Brawl, but Pitt is probably the only school in the ACC that thinks that way.

(12-08-2012 09:12 AM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  WVU has been trying to get into the ACC for 50+ years but they couldn't. Last year when everything was going down they panicked when Syracuse and Pitt left and went to almost every conference trying to get out. The Big 12 finally let them in after the SEC and ACC said no. For the last year they've been gloating about it on our boards about how we're getting left behind after they claimed we tried to "steal" their spot in the Big 12.

Fast forward to two weeks ago when the ACC announced Louisville was being added after Maryland left. Not only was the ACC stabilizing after losing a charter member but the school they laughed at the past year was being accepted into the same league they dreamed about joining the past half century.

So now WVU has to ship their team halfway across the country only to get beat by 30 every game in locations their fans can't travel to while the rivals they laughed at are set to join the conference located in their backyard that snubbed them at every opportunity. In addition had they stayed in the Big East one more year they would've competed for a BCS game but instead their insecurity bought them a 7-5 season and a bowl appearance in freezing NYC against..........wait for it............a Big East team. Karma, anyone?

But hey, at least they're getting half of a good TV deal the next five years, right?

A BIG EAST team that is headed to the ACC...now that is karma.

When BC moved to the ACC back in 2005, WVU fans flooded our boards. They mocked us for being on an island with the closest foe being 400 miles away. We BC fans are now enjoying the hypocrisy and spin coming out of WVU fans when they claim that being on an island with the closest foe being over 900 miles away is no big deal.

(12-08-2012 01:56 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  When BC moved to the ACC back in 2005, WVU fans flooded our boards. They mocked us for being on an island with the closest foe being 400 miles away. We BC fans are now enjoying the hypocrisy and spin coming out of WVU fans when they claim that being on an island with the closest foe being over 900 miles away is no big deal.

Was it a big deal for BC fans these past few years?

(12-08-2012 01:58 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 01:56 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  When BC moved to the ACC back in 2005, WVU fans flooded our boards. They mocked us for being on an island with the closest foe being 400 miles away. We BC fans are now enjoying the hypocrisy and spin coming out of WVU fans when they claim that being on an island with the closest foe being over 900 miles away is no big deal.

Was it a big deal for BC fans these past few years?

I'm sure it was...but

Huge difference between BC and WVU. BC's alumni base is up and down I-95...so is WVU's.

Another thing is BC had somewhat reasonable drives to MD and UVA during the time along with nonstop flights for their fans to just about every location. WVU's closest drive is all day long and nearly 900 miles and nonstop flights from Morgantown/Charleston non existent and Pittsburgh limited.

(12-08-2012 01:58 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 01:56 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  When BC moved to the ACC back in 2005, WVU fans flooded our boards. They mocked us for being on an island with the closest foe being 400 miles away. We BC fans are now enjoying the hypocrisy and spin coming out of WVU fans when they claim that being on an island with the closest foe being over 900 miles away is no big deal.

Was it a big deal for BC fans these past few years?

Have you looked at BC football and Basketball the last few years? They were fine while Matt Ryan was there but it's been pretty bleak since.

Luckily for BC they are not alone anymore, Syracuse and to some extent Pitt has really help out their situation. Plus it helps in Basketball with ND in the league. Not so much for distance but having "The Catholic University" with them again.

For Louisville it almost like getting the "Old Metro Conference" back. People forget we shared a conference with Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech & Florida State and having familiar faces like Pitt, ND & Syracuse makes it even better.

Poor West Virginia. What a shame. All that money they are making and they still are no happier. Oh but they sure laughed at Louisville when they beat them out for that Big XII spot. Karma is a ***** Mounties and Bevo rides with her.

I love threads like this. Its great to see how many of our old rivals miss us :)

As for the subject at hand, I think most WVU fans really like the Big 12. The football has been great, being in an all sports league has been great, and the # of fans Big 12 schools have brought to Morgantown has been amazing. Far more then most BE teams brought in years past. Has for WVU football dying on the vine, the early results have been good thus far. I think WVUs current recruiting is ranked either fourth or fifth in the Big 12. WVU has done better in New Jersey and in Western Pa then it has in ten plus years. The top kids in Maryland are ususally going to Penn St anyway, but WVU has always done very well getting the second tier kids from UMD etc. Bottom line is in recruiting is that WVU has something different to sell, something that the other regional ACC schools can't. The basketball class was ranked in the top 25 by every recruiting service.

Quote:Not only was the ACC stabilizing after losing a charter member but the school they laughed at the past year was being accepted into the same league they dreamed about joining the past half century.

This would be the only statement I would take issue with. All WVU had ever wanted was to be an a all sports league with Pitt, Penn St and other Eastern Schools. In 1980, if WVU has been magically given the choice of being an a all sports league with the lambert trophy schools or the ACC, WVU would have gone with Pitt and PSU in a heartbeat. Our ACC interest has only been a result of squabbling among the Eastern Schools

Jackson

(12-08-2012 01:58 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 01:56 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  When BC moved to the ACC back in 2005, WVU fans flooded our boards. They mocked us for being on an island with the closest foe being 400 miles away. We BC fans are now enjoying the hypocrisy and spin coming out of WVU fans when they claim that being on an island with the closest foe being over 900 miles away is no big deal.

Was it a big deal for BC fans these past few years?

If you knew anything about BC, you would know their problems the past few years have nothing to do with the ACC and everything to do with the former coaching staff. Heck, prior to their taking over, BC had won more games than any other ACC team besides VT, had a Top 10 finish, and went to back-to-back ACC games. Fortunately for BC, that coaching/recruiting problem has just been corrected.

(12-08-2012 08:39 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  Poor West Virginia. What a shame. All that money they are making and they still are no happier. Oh but they sure laughed at Louisville when they beat them out for that Big XII spot. Karma is a ***** Mounties and Bevo rides with her.

Man oh man almost every post i've read from your trashes WVU. What is with all the hate?? you have to be a Marshall fan in disguise

(12-09-2012 02:59 AM)cfbfan89 Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 08:39 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  Poor West Virginia. What a shame. All that money they are making and they still are no happier. Oh but they sure laughed at Louisville when they beat them out for that Big XII spot. Karma is a ***** Mounties and Bevo rides with her.

Man oh man almost every post i've read from your trashes WVU. What is with all the hate?? you have to be a Marshall fan in disguise

A lot of it probably has to do with the Scout/Rivals/247 Boards and WVU...it been pretty bad with WVU fans on the UofL site especially when UofL received the ACC invite.

For the most part the WVU fans on BBS are fine especially Jackson & Bit...in the end it worked out for everyone but you have to admit it would be much better for WVU to have continued access to Florida for recruiting and a bridge to the rest of the Big XII-(Cincinnati)...my suggestion but it would never happen-(USF & UC) to the Big XII.

(12-09-2012 06:54 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 02:59 AM)cfbfan89 Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 08:39 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  Poor West Virginia. What a shame. All that money they are making and they still are no happier. Oh but they sure laughed at Louisville when they beat them out for that Big XII spot. Karma is a ***** Mounties and Bevo rides with her.

Man oh man almost every post i've read from your trashes WVU. What is with all the hate?? you have to be a Marshall fan in disguise

A lot of it probably has to do with the Scout/Rivals/247 Boards and WVU...it been pretty bad with WVU fans on the UofL site especially when UofL received the ACC invite.

For the most part the WVU fans on BBS are fine especially Jackson & Bit...in the end it worked out for everyone but you have to admit it would be much better for WVU to have continued access to Florida for recruiting and a bridge to the rest of the Big XII-(Cincinnati)...my suggestion but it would never happen-(USF & UC) to the Big XII.

Well we signed the most from florida in last years class than we ever have before (12 or 13) so id say we are just fine there. We have so far snatched up a few texas kids including a stud qb ford childress and are recruiting in the northeast is just as usual. According to rivals we have the 33rd ranked class so far.....for whatever reason it may be are recruiting areas havent changed..possibly the alure of playing texas and oklahoma? or arguably the strongest top to bottom conference in America?? idk.

The only advantage to the ACC would have been closer games with a few old rivals but hey what can you do. I dont attend away games (bad experiences) so it doesnt matter to me anyways. Its pretty awesome having marquee games almost every single week as well.

I see the point you were making though but you have to see the perspective i just layed out as well..its a double edged sword if you will. The perks of better bowls and the SEC agreement in the champions is also a plus and not to mention the money!
Your point is taken though dont consider me a biased guy

(12-08-2012 11:07 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  If you knew anything about BC, you would know their problems the past few years have nothing to do with the ACC and everything to do with the former coaching staff. Heck, prior to their taking over, BC had won more games than any other ACC team besides VT, had a Top 10 finish, and went to back-to-back ACC games. Fortunately for BC, that coaching/recruiting problem has just been corrected.

I know nothing about BC, that is why I asked. Also, just to clairify, you're saying that being on an "island" was not your problem, the problem was your AD's coaching decision???

If that is the case, it seems that WVU is in a similar situation to that of BC, except hopefully we have made a better coaching hire then BC.

(12-09-2012 09:39 AM)Otacon Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 11:07 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  If you knew anything about BC, you would know their problems the past few years have nothing to do with the ACC and everything to do with the former coaching staff. Heck, prior to their taking over, BC had won more games than any other ACC team besides VT, had a Top 10 finish, and went to back-to-back ACC games. Fortunately for BC, that coaching/recruiting problem has just been corrected.

I know nothing about BC, that is why I asked. Also, just to clairify, you're saying that being on an "island" was not your problem, the problem was your AD's coaching decision???

If that is the case, it seems that WVU is in a similar situation to that of BC, except hopefully we have made a better coaching hire then BC.

I agree with your statement - and you have missed my point. "Being on an island" (whatever that means) was never an issue for BC and it likely will not be for WVU. My only comment is the hypocrisy of many WVU fans who made such a big deal of it in 2005 to BC fans and now singing a different tune when your "island" is more than double what BC's was.

(12-09-2012 10:26 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  I agree with your statement - and you have missed my point. "Being on an island" (whatever that means) was never an issue for BC and it likely will not be for WVU. My only comment is the hypocrisy of many WVU fans who made such a big deal of it in 2005 to BC fans and now singing a different tune when your "island" is more than double what BC's was.

Gotcha!

We Eers fans love us some hypocrisy...... Must be the 'hoopie' in us.

(12-09-2012 02:59 AM)cfbfan89 Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 08:39 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  Poor West Virginia. What a shame. All that money they are making and they still are no happier. Oh but they sure laughed at Louisville when they beat them out for that Big XII spot. Karma is a ***** Mounties and Bevo rides with her.

Man oh man almost every post i've read from your trashes WVU. What is with all the hate?? you have to be a Marshall fan in disguise

It comes from dealing with many wvu fans who frequent out own boards.

(12-07-2012 08:06 PM)7fielder Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 07:57 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Would WVU accept an ACC invitation if it was extended? I think they would.

More than likely if it wasn't for the GOR they signed. If they hadn't panicked last year they might have been invited to the ACC by now or maybe would be the next one?

I don't think so. Some of the core ACC members view WVU as a bunch of hillbillies, a perception that they would likely never get past. In contrast, UL, despite a similar USNWR rating to WVU, convinced these core member that it shares the academic values of the ACC.