(01-07-2013 02:39 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 10:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 09:35 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Let me make this clear, absolutely no one in Orlando takes Bianchi seriously. He's a huge troll and writes constant hit pieces on whoevers the punching bag of the day. UCF will unequivocally be headed to the newly reformed BE.

Lots of denial of reality by UCF fans on this thread.

The early information was that the exit fee was $7.5 million, but the later stuff I read was the fee was 500K + loss of TV revenue which was unknown, but probably minimal.

Still, why should the 6 CUSA schools pay $2.5 million each to UConn, Cincinnati and USF? The 6 schools should form their own conference and invite UConn, Cincinnati, USF and Temple. Its a really good suggestion. CUSA is full, but they can always form their own and save $15 million. Or basically threaten to do it and negotiate the fee down to zero. Those 3 give no value to the other 6 and would have little choice. Do they invite MAC schools?

Not exactly sure what is denial of reality.

All the bad mouthing of the writer as a troll. He is making sense, yet gets derided. What UCF and the others had hoped for is gone. And their admin should be asking, why should I pay UConn, Cincy and USF $2.5 million? The 6 invitees should work together and negotiate that down. They actually are now the ones in the position of strength.

Because its 2.5 million times better than being in the reorganized CUSA.

(01-08-2013 11:23 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Because its 2.5 million times better than being in the reorganized CUSA.

Agree.

(01-08-2013 11:23 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Because its 2.5 million times better than being in the reorganized CUSA.

But is it 2.5 million better than being in a new conference with Houston, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, SMU, UCF and 6 others of your choosing out of UConn, Cincy, USF and the rest of CUSA?

(01-08-2013 11:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 11:23 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Because its 2.5 million times better than being in the reorganized CUSA.

But is it 2.5 million better than being in a new conference with Houston, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, SMU, UCF and 6 others of your choosing out of UConn, Cincy, USF and the rest of CUSA?

Yes, because there are too many obstacles to forming a new conference. TV Deal, Bowl Affiliations, NCAA Tourney Access, Etc.....

You can dream all you want but the "best of the rest" idea died when Boise went back to the MWC.

(01-07-2013 03:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2013 02:39 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 10:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 09:35 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Let me make this clear, absolutely no one in Orlando takes Bianchi seriously. He's a huge troll and writes constant hit pieces on whoevers the punching bag of the day. UCF will unequivocally be headed to the newly reformed BE.

Lots of denial of reality by UCF fans on this thread.

The early information was that the exit fee was $7.5 million, but the later stuff I read was the fee was 500K + loss of TV revenue which was unknown, but probably minimal.

Still, why should the 6 CUSA schools pay $2.5 million each to UConn, Cincinnati and USF? The 6 schools should form their own conference and invite UConn, Cincinnati, USF and Temple. Its a really good suggestion. CUSA is full, but they can always form their own and save $15 million. Or basically threaten to do it and negotiate the fee down to zero. Those 3 give no value to the other 6 and would have little choice. Do they invite MAC schools?

Not exactly sure what is denial of reality.

All the bad mouthing of the writer as a troll. He is making sense, yet gets derided. What UCF and the others had hoped for is gone. And their admin should be asking, why should I pay UConn, Cincy and USF $2.5 million? The 6 invitees should work together and negotiate that down. They actually are now the ones in the position of strength.

Doesnt matter. Given that neither the promised money nor the expected membership of the nBE will be there when the newbies arrive, I would expect a vote that forgives most of the entry fees for the new guys. After July, the newbies will own a voting majority, a very uncommong situation, and there will be plenty of exit fee money in the conference bank account. The new schools will be in a position to forgive the entrance fees to themselves without hurting the financial position of the conference. Since everyone seems to be doing what is in thier best interests, I doubt this will be any different.

Bianchi needs to get over himself. UCF will be tied with USF, ECU, Memphis and some of our other mates here for the long term. We are not bad company.

What ever happened to journalism? Does anyone actually think before they "write" an article? This sounds like some dopey kids 1st blog entry. What exactly are ucf's "other options"? They stand right now to be in a league with the best of cusa plus cincy,UConn, temple and rival USF.IMO a much better situation than gong back to what cusa has become.

They're joining for 2013 -- at this point, they're still joining a conference that will initially have Notre Dame, Louisville, Rutgers, and the C-7 still in it - and in the long-run affiliated with the best schools outside the power 5... so stop whining and pay up -- you'll make double that in your first year alone!

. . . I didn't read all the posts . . . but does anyone here, or this Orlando sport writer, really think they had an original idea and that the Conference USA members who are joining the Big East had not thought about negotiating for some concessions because the Big East they joined is not the same as what currently exists . . . these people didn't send in a coupon to get those Ph.D.s at the end of their names . . . you can deride them at times (as I do), but the people who run major, public urban universities like UCF, USF, UH, etc. are generally brilliant minds, who have climbed to the top of their professions in the cut-throat world of academia that makes most corporations look like a Sunday school class . . .

(01-08-2013 12:37 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  . . . I didn't read all the posts . . . but does anyone here, or this Orlando sport writer, really think they had an original idea and that the Conference USA members who are joining the Big East had not thought about negotiating for some concessions because the Big East they joined is not the same as what currently exists . . . these people didn't send in a coupon to get those Ph.D.s at the end of their names . . . you can deride them at times (as I do), but the people who run major, public urban universities like UCF, USF, UH, etc. are generally brilliant minds, who have climbed to the top of their professions in the cut-throat world of academia that makes most corporations look like a Sunday school class . . .

Just because they are good at running universities doesn't mean they are good at other things. And when you get into these pressured, rush decisions, even experts miss the obvious. Alternatives may be overlooked. In any event, if you know anything about the management of major US corporations, you know that often the companies succeed in spite of the brilliant minds running them, not because of them. Just look at the US government as well. Most of the people in Washington have degrees from major universities. Many from the Ivy League. We muddle along in spite of them as well.

Ever hear of Enron? The brightest guys in the room?

(01-06-2013 09:55 PM)eaglerock Wrote:  Bylaws

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tuls...ndbook.pdf

On the effective date of any member's withdrawal from the Conference, such member shall pay the Conference a withdrawal fee, which
shall be determined as follows:

(a) If the member affords the Conference at least one calendar year prior notice of withdrawal but less than two calendar years
prior notice of withdrawal, the member shall pay the Conference a withdrawal fee of (i) $500,000 plus (ii) the aggregate
amount, if any, by which the television rights fees received by the remaining members of the Conference pursuant to any and
all Conference-level television broadcast and licensing agreements are reduced, as a result of the member's withdrawal, during
the five year period immediately subsequent to the effective date of the member's withdrawal.

I've posted this and read this numerous times, and keep trying to figure out where in there it says teams for sure owe the 6 to 7 million that has been tossed out. It's not there. It's possible they could, but there's nothing in writing that says that's guaranteed. If the TV deal is crushed by the defections then sure it will happen, but that's not exactly good for CUSA long term.

(01-06-2013 07:48 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 07:36 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 06:56 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 04:08 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Old Article written by a Gator Fan. He is also wrong about the C-USA exit fee. It is $500K

If its only 500K like you say then why are CUSA officials on record as saying UCF and some of the others will have to pay 6.6 million?

What University official said that? I don't believe it. I read the c-USA bylaws.

Don't believe it? Seriously?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...ff-godfrey

"They've escrowed and created security in the amount of, I think, $6.5 million to accommodate any losses," Banowsky said during the league's preseason football media day."






http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011...conference

Conference USA officials told the Sentinel that UCF would have to pay an exit fee of about $7 million. Schools leaving C-USA must pay their annual share of television revenue under dual contracts with Fox Sports Network and CBS Sports for five years and an additional one-time $500,000 fee.






http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x6...-for-C-USA

C-USA alone will realize $6.63 million apiece from Memphis, UCF, SMU and Houston when they leave to join the Big East after the 2013 basketball season, according to C-USA assistant commissioner for public affairs Courtney Morrison-Archer.


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Brittons comments don't say they owe that amount, they say they have escrowed that amount to cover any "potential" losses. Anything above the 500k is dependent on what if anything the league loses in TV revenue from the departures for the next 5 years. Could be that whole amount, could be less, could be none.

(01-05-2013 02:42 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Entire Article: UCF MUST ADMIT THE BIG EAST IS DEAD
By Mike Bianchi, Orlando Sentinel, Dec 13, 2012

Now, it's just a foolish dreaming.

Wishful thinking.

False hope.

The time has come for the UCF Knights to vacate their state of denial and stop acting like everything is just fine with the Big East.

They must accept reality, stop the membership process before it goes any further and start immediately exploring other options.

It's not easy, but they must come to the realization that everything they've worked toward for a decade is now crumbling around them.

The Big East is about to become the Big Deceased, and the Knights should not pay a dime--let alone millions of dollars--to join a league that is really no better than the one they are leaving.

The Big East death knell began to chime and the funeral procession began to form as the seven Catholic basketball centric schools strongly considered dissolving the league on Thursday. That's right, UCF could be leaving Conference USA next season to join a Big East that literally no longer exists. If the Catholic basketball schools dissolve the league, there's talk they will form a new league and even take the "Big East" name and brand with them.

That would leave UCF in a new league that might as well be named the Big Least because it has so little marketability and Marquee value. This is why the Knights and other Conference USA partners who announced they would be jumping to the Big East should save themselves a lot of money, hassle, and stress.

According to its CUSA exit agreement and its Big East entrance requirements, UCF might have to shell out nearly $10 million (up to a $7 million exit fee to leave CUSA and a $2.5 million initiation fee to join the so called Big East. In this economic climate, with universities slashing budgets, could UCF really justify spending $10 million to go from one low profile league to another?

Granted, UCF would likely negotiate and legally wrangle its way out of having to pay such an exhorbitant sum to switch leagues, but why even bother? The only real benefit of UCF joining the Big East now is that Knights are in the same league as USF. Why not just have USF join Confernce USA and be done with it?

Silly article. It implies that UCF has better options out there. They don't..just like many other BE/CUSA teams. We are where we are. Perhaps, just perhaps, if there were another shakeup in the Big 12, they might have a shot because of the large Orlando TV market.

ECU just punched their ticket to the BE, and I'm happy about it. But I'm not grieving the loss of WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, or Louisville - because I never envisioned that they'd still be in the league when we got there.

(01-08-2013 02:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 12:37 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  . . . I didn't read all the posts . . . but does anyone here, or this Orlando sport writer, really think they had an original idea and that the Conference USA members who are joining the Big East had not thought about negotiating for some concessions because the Big East they joined is not the same as what currently exists . . . these people didn't send in a coupon to get those Ph.D.s at the end of their names . . . you can deride them at times (as I do), but the people who run major, public urban universities like UCF, USF, UH, etc. are generally brilliant minds, who have climbed to the top of their professions in the cut-throat world of academia that makes most corporations look like a Sunday school class . . .

Just because they are good at running universities doesn't mean they are good at other things. And when you get into these pressured, rush decisions, even experts miss the obvious. Alternatives may be overlooked. In any event, if you know anything about the management of major US corporations, you know that often the companies succeed in spite of the brilliant minds running them, not because of them. Just look at the US government as well. Most of the people in Washington have degrees from major universities. Many from the Ivy League. We muddle along in spite of them as well.

Ever hear of Enron? The brightest guys in the room?

Let me see . . . (1) a $60,000 sports columnist on a deadline at an Orlando newspaper; (2) an anonymous poster on csnbbs.com; or (3) a university president of a major, urban, public university receiving input from multiple committees filled with people with Ph.D.s with years of experience in academia/intercollegiate athletics who are receiving advice from top consultants and legal counsel . . . .

I'll put my faith in the latter thank you very much . . . they may get it wrong, but it won't be because no one thought of something as obvious as this column . . .

(01-08-2013 02:41 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 02:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 12:37 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  . . . I didn't read all the posts . . . but does anyone here, or this Orlando sport writer, really think they had an original idea and that the Conference USA members who are joining the Big East had not thought about negotiating for some concessions because the Big East they joined is not the same as what currently exists . . . these people didn't send in a coupon to get those Ph.D.s at the end of their names . . . you can deride them at times (as I do), but the people who run major, public urban universities like UCF, USF, UH, etc. are generally brilliant minds, who have climbed to the top of their professions in the cut-throat world of academia that makes most corporations look like a Sunday school class . . .

Just because they are good at running universities doesn't mean they are good at other things. And when you get into these pressured, rush decisions, even experts miss the obvious. Alternatives may be overlooked. In any event, if you know anything about the management of major US corporations, you know that often the companies succeed in spite of the brilliant minds running them, not because of them. Just look at the US government as well. Most of the people in Washington have degrees from major universities. Many from the Ivy League. We muddle along in spite of them as well.

Ever hear of Enron? The brightest guys in the room?

Let me see . . . (1) a $60,000 sports columnist on a deadline at an Orlando newspaper; (2) an anonymous poster on csnbbs.com; or (3) a university president of a major, urban, public university receiving input from multiple committees filled with people with Ph.D.s with years of experience in academia/intercollegiate athletics who are receiving advice from top consultants and legal counsel . . . .

I'll put my faith in the latter thank you very much . . . they may get it wrong, but it won't be because no one thought of something as obvious as this column . . .

Do you like "legends" and "leaders"? How about Gordon Gee-"little sisters of the poor." "Tressel is more likely to fire me."

I thought bianchi was the shrill one telling everyone why ucf deserved the BE.

Wherendoes he want ucf to go?

Sounds idiotic to me.

(01-08-2013 04:04 PM)Cooglius Caeser Wrote:  I thought bianchi was the shrill one telling everyone why ucf deserved the BE.

Wherendoes he want ucf to go?

Sounds idiotic to me.

Mike Bidonkey is an idiot.

(01-07-2013 12:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  I'd like to see a serious argument with facts that the best two football programs of the CUSA 12 aren't still in CUSA-USM and Tulsa. Not market, but football product. I think it would be hard to do. There is no serious argument that Tulane, Memphis or SMU are top two. They are probably the bottom 3.

Seems to me that argument wouldn't be too hard to make, based on conference championships and division championships since the 2005 realignment one could make an argument for either USM (2 division, 1 conference), Tulsa (4 division, 2 conference), UCF (4 division, 2 conference), ECU (2 division, 2 conference) or Houston (3 division, 1 conference). SMU would be harder, and both Tulane and Memphis aren't even in the equation.

2005 Tulsa 44-27 UCF
2006 Houston 34-20 Southern Miss
2007 Tulsa 25-44 UCF
2008 Tulsa 24-27 East Carolina
2009 #21 Houston 32-38 East Carolina
2010 SMU 7-17 #21 UCF
2011 #6 Houston 28-49 #24 Southern Miss
2012 Tulsa 33-27 UCF

(01-08-2013 02:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  . . . Do you like "legends" and "leaders"? How about Gordon Gee-"little sisters of the poor." "Tressel is more likely to fire me."

First, the stupid BIG division names were not made by the University presidents . . . and, I'll bet money you don't know the historical context of Dr. Gee's, "Little Sisters of the Poor" quote, which most of the BIG administration-level people thought was clever, but was entirely lost on beat sports writers . . . and Gee's follow up showed the class act he is despite your apparent criticisms . . . so, yeah, I'll go with Gee, who is generally considered one of, if not, the best college president in the country . . . try again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/sports....html?_r=0