(03-07-2013 04:43 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  I know its wrong, and kharmas a beatch, but to all the people who kept howling for UH to join the MWC. After paying out Boise State, there won't be much more than a $1 million each.

You mean the Houston fans that wanted to leave CUSA? The only way to do that is join the MW. It looks like the unnamed conference is even trying to steal the CUSA name. This move has essentially amounted to nothing. So dissappointing.

(03-07-2013 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Wait!

Brian Murphy retweeted
Jeremy Fowler @JFowlerCBS 1h
Mountain West notified membership this week that secondary TV rights deal should. be completed soon, possibly next few days
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So the CBS & ESPN is only for 1st tier

The ESPN deal IS the secondary TV Rights deal.

Then I want to be in a lot of 2ndary games, 1st tier sounds like more purgatory where they cast us off to ch. 613. At least NBCS moved up from 600s to 220.

So the A12 and MWC deals are basically a wash, if I am reading correctly. MWC is 18 mil for CBS and ESPN. A12 is 22 mil for ESPN and CBS. Not much of a difference. What am I missing.

(03-07-2013 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Wait!

Brian Murphy retweeted
Jeremy Fowler @JFowlerCBS 1h
Mountain West notified membership this week that secondary TV rights deal should. be completed soon, possibly next few days
View details ·


So the CBS & ESPN is only for 1st tier

The ESPN deal IS the secondary TV Rights deal.

That is what I believe as well..

CBS: 800K
ESPN: 700k

Total 1.5 million per school. This should be correct if CBS was paying out 800k before.

(03-07-2013 05:05 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  A-12 hasn't negotiated a conf champ game yet, correct?

And is their deal for 1st tier, 2nd tier....what are the comparisons?

A12 20-23 mill for 11.5 teams
MWC 18 mill for 11.5 teams

difference is we were never "rich" and BE used to be, now they're in the poor house w/ us. Not that it will financially hurt any one of us.

(03-07-2013 05:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  So the A12 and MWC deals are basically a wash, if I am reading correctly. MWC is 18 mil for CBS and ESPN. A12 is 22 mil for ESPN and CBS. Not much of a difference. What am I missing.

Nothing we have 2 regional best of the rest conf that should fight it out to play w/ the big boys at the end of each year and networks don't give 2 sh*ts about either of us.

(03-07-2013 05:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:05 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  A-12 hasn't negotiated a conf champ game yet, correct?

And is their deal for 1st tier, 2nd tier....what are the comparisons?

A12 20-23 mill for 11.5 teams
MWC 18 mill for 11.5 teams

difference is we were never "rich" and BE used to be, now they're in the poor house w/ us. Not that it will financially hurt any one of us.

Believe the latest from McMurphy, etc. had A12 at 20M for ESPN and 2M for CBS, total 22M. Agree with you about being in the poor house now. If it weren't for the 25M USF is about to pocket in the BE breakup deal, they'd be making less than they were before.

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken
My theory on all this still stands: By forcing breakup of Big East, TV could get three entities (MWC, Big East, Conference TBA) on the cheap

(03-07-2013 05:13 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  So the A12 and MWC deals are basically a wash, if I am reading correctly. MWC is 18 mil for CBS and ESPN. A12 is 22 mil for ESPN and CBS. Not much of a difference. What am I missing.

Nothing we have 2 regional best of the rest conf that should fight it out to play w/ the big boys at the end of each year and networks don't give 2 sh*ts about either of us.

You're right, unfortunately.

(03-07-2013 05:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:05 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  A-12 hasn't negotiated a conf champ game yet, correct?

And is their deal for 1st tier, 2nd tier....what are the comparisons?

A12 20-23 mill for 11.5 teams
MWC 18 mill for 11.5 teams

difference is we were never "rich" and BE used to be, now they're in the poor house w/ us. Not that it will financially hurt any one of us.

Believe the latest from McMurphy, etc. had A12 at 20M for ESPN and 2M for CBS, total 22M. Agree with you about being in the poor house now. If it weren't for the 25M USF is about to pocket in the BE breakup deal, they'd be making less than they were before.

Yeah that's a pretty chunk the 3 of you are gonna claim. While we had to pay 900K to leave the WAC aka Great West.

(03-07-2013 05:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:05 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  A-12 hasn't negotiated a conf champ game yet, correct?

And is their deal for 1st tier, 2nd tier....what are the comparisons?

A12 20-23 mill for 11.5 teams
MWC 18 mill for 11.5 teams

difference is we were never "rich" and BE used to be, now they're in the poor house w/ us. Not that it will financially hurt any one of us.

No the difference is your now poor and your the Boise State and some other guys conference. And I can see Memphis getting better, same with Houston, etc with their investments in facilities.

I see Boise getting worse not better in this new system.

(03-07-2013 05:14 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:13 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  So the A12 and MWC deals are basically a wash, if I am reading correctly. MWC is 18 mil for CBS and ESPN. A12 is 22 mil for ESPN and CBS. Not much of a difference. What am I missing.

Nothing we have 2 regional best of the rest conf that should fight it out to play w/ the big boys at the end of each year and networks don't give 2 sh*ts about either of us.

You're right, unfortunately.

That's alright, we can all try to be the Butler, GMU, VCU of football now and most will root for us vs. the big boy in the BCS Bowl

If there are 6 ESPN conference games on Saturday on ESPN- that will cost the conference 6 million dollars. The base distro will be lucky to be 10 million for 12 teams- or not even 1 million dollars per school.

(03-07-2013 05:17 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:05 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  A-12 hasn't negotiated a conf champ game yet, correct?

And is their deal for 1st tier, 2nd tier....what are the comparisons?

A12 20-23 mill for 11.5 teams
MWC 18 mill for 11.5 teams

difference is we were never "rich" and BE used to be, now they're in the poor house w/ us. Not that it will financially hurt any one of us.

No the difference is your now poor and your the Boise State and some other guys conference. And I can see Memphis getting better, same with Houston, etc with their investments in facilities.

I see Boise getting worse not better in this new system.

That would be great we can win a MWC title if they're going to suck and the Boise bonus isn't a Boise bonus, its the same offer to all schools everyone just assumes Boise will forever get them. So if they start to suck we can get them.

(03-07-2013 05:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  So the A12 and MWC deals are basically a wash, if I am reading correctly. MWC is 18 mil for CBS and ESPN. A12 is 22 mil for ESPN and CBS. Not much of a difference. What am I missing.

Because ESPN will be broadcasting all of Boise State's home games, which means that about $3-3.5 million (6-7 games annually) a year comes off that number and goes to Boise State for their national TV bonus. Then reduce another $2-2.5 million to be paid out to the (4-5) teams playing Boise State on national TV.

The report is 20 games, so you'll have another $10 million reduced to pay out the $500,000 bonus to teams on TV. That leaves about $3-5 million total to be divided by 12 teams, or about $300,000 per team. Pay out the $500,000-$1 million for the TV bonuses, and each team will net about $800,000 - $1.3 million per team, with Boise State earning about $3.5-4 million

I"m not saying the A/XII deal is any better, except that it includes 65 football games/150 basketball games . . . so we'll see. But I would much rather have UH in the A/XII than the MWC unless the money was substantially more, which is what a lot of people thought after the A/XII deal was announced. . .

(03-07-2013 04:55 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  ESPN blew their wad on all the conferences that matter to them.

Yuck.

(03-07-2013 05:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If there are 6 ESPN conference games on Saturday on ESPN- that will cost the conference 6 million dollars. The base distro will be lucky to be 10 million for 12 teams- or not even 1 million dollars per school.

we won't have many sat. games on espn, plus ESPNU doesn't count for the bonus. We'd be lucky to get 2 or 3.

(03-07-2013 05:14 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken
My theory on all this still stands: By forcing breakup of Big East, TV could get three entities (MWC, Big East, Conference TBA) on the cheap

Another perspective, add the value of the the TV deals for the MW (1.5 mil), BE (3.5 mil) and A12 (1.8 mil) up.

That total is 6.8 million which is about what the estimates were for the old BE with the Catholic schools, Boise State and Rutgers/Louisville still on board.

Factor in that money is going to be shared by twice as many schools and the networks are probably paying out double.

(03-07-2013 05:22 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  So the A12 and MWC deals are basically a wash, if I am reading correctly. MWC is 18 mil for CBS and ESPN. A12 is 22 mil for ESPN and CBS. Not much of a difference. What am I missing.

Because ESPN will be broadcasting all of Boise State's home games, which means that about $3-3.5 million (6-7 games annually) a year comes off that number and goes to Boise State for their national TV bonus. Then reduce another $2-2.5 million to be paid out to the (4-5) teams playing Boise State on national TV.

The report is 20 games, so you'll have another $10 million reduced to pay out the $500,000 bonus to teams on TV. That leaves about $3-5 million total to be divided by 12 teams, or about $300,000 per team. Pay out the $500,000-$1 million for the TV bonuses, and each team will net about $800,000 - $1.3 million per team, with Boise State earning about $3.5-4 million

I"m not saying the A/XII deal is any better, except that it includes 65 football games/150 basketball games . . . so we'll see. But I would much rather have UH in the A/XII than the MWC unless the money was substantially more, which is what a lot of people thought after the A/XII deal was announced. . .

Well, glad my school is good, sucks to be UNLV or UNM

(03-07-2013 05:23 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If there are 6 ESPN conference games on Saturday on ESPN- that will cost the conference 6 million dollars. The base distro will be lucky to be 10 million for 12 teams- or not even 1 million dollars per school.

we won't have many sat. games on espn, plus ESPNU doesn't count for the bonus. We'd be lucky to get 2 or 3.

I think you'll have quite a few Saturday 10 or 10:30 games on ESPN- and maybe 1-2 Hawaii games even.