(03-14-2013 12:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:33 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The ACC tournament already outdraws the BE tournament most years. Moving the tournament would be a mistake.

That's because the ACC Tournament is usually played in larger stadiums and arenas. MSG holds 19,033 and always sells out.

MSG would bring a ton of press and prestige to the ACC. To not have the ACC tournament there, at least, on a frequent basis would be a mistake.

Very true. Just take a look at MSG today and yesterday and you see it was packed. I saw a few scenes of the Georgia Tech/BC game today and the arena was kind of sparce. There were a lot of empty seats. Wouldnt be surprised if it was about half full. You couldnt find an empty seat at MSG the last couple of days.

(03-14-2013 01:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:04 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I can understand why Cuse loves the garden and why Pitino does. However, the ACC will get the same media coverage with or without NYC!

Disagree with you there...Those ACC games on ESPN3 sure are awesome.

the main reason ESPN doesn't put the tournament on it's main channel has more to do with Raycom syndicating the entire tournament on FREE TV & not the location. I do agree that the tourney would do great in NYC but unless they make a offer the ACC can't refuse then they have to work with whatever rotation the league decides is best.

(03-14-2013 03:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:33 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The ACC tournament already outdraws the BE tournament most years. Moving the tournament would be a mistake.

That's because the ACC Tournament is usually played in larger stadiums and arenas. MSG holds 19,033 and always sells out.

MSG would bring a ton of press and prestige to the ACC. To not have the ACC tournament there, at least, on a frequent basis would be a mistake.

Very true. Just take a look at MSG today and yesterday and you see it was packed. I saw a few scenes of the Georgia Tech/BC game today and the arena was kind of sparce. There were a lot of empty seats. Wouldnt be surprised if it was about half full. You couldnt find an empty seat at MSG the last couple of days.

again this has more to do with the way the league sells tickets & not whether or not people want to go to the game. most tickets are sold for the entire tournament but some people don't show up the first day. if unused tickets were made available to the general public then every game would be full

(03-14-2013 12:36 PM)Villecard Wrote:  What about this....

"All five major conference commissioners privately acknowledge that realignment isn't done. And the next logical evolution will inevitably be a poaching of the ACC.

When will this happen? That's the biggest question among athletic directors and TV executives right now. No one knows the answer. But this much is certain -- there's nothing that's happened in the last three years that suggests that realignment will just stop. Will Jim Delany expand the Big Ten this spring with North Carolina and Virginia? Will Mike Slive pull the trigger first and nab N.C. State or Virginia Tech? Will the Big 12 make a power play for Florida State or Clemson? Who makes the first move? Rest assured that even the most deep-rooted ACC schools have contingency plans in case the league gets poached.

At its core, grabbing the Garden would be a long-term asset that would separate the ACC from its rivals. It would strengthen its basketball profile and make it more attractive for the long term. It would ingratiate the ACC in the country's best media market and one of the most fertile recruiting grounds."

Holding the ACC tournament in MSG isn't going to stabilize the conference or put it on equal financial footing with the SEC or Big 10. How do I know this? Because holding its tournament in MSG didn't stop the annihilation of the Big East in its current format. What killed the Big East was the lack of money (bowls, TV revenues, etc) and MSG garden isn't going to fix that problem.

(03-14-2013 03:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:33 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The ACC tournament already outdraws the BE tournament most years. Moving the tournament would be a mistake.

That's because the ACC Tournament is usually played in larger stadiums and arenas. MSG holds 19,033 and always sells out.

MSG would bring a ton of press and prestige to the ACC. To not have the ACC tournament there, at least, on a frequent basis would be a mistake.

Very true. Just take a look at MSG today and yesterday and you see it was packed. I saw a few scenes of the Georgia Tech/BC game today and the arena was kind of sparce. There were a lot of empty seats. Wouldnt be surprised if it was about half full. You couldnt find an empty seat at MSG the last couple of days.

I thought it would have gotten better with two bigger fan bases, but for the beginning NCSU-VT it was just as bad. I only watched the first few minutes, before 'Cuse-Pitt, though.

(03-14-2013 04:05 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 03:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:33 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The ACC tournament already outdraws the BE tournament most years. Moving the tournament would be a mistake.

That's because the ACC Tournament is usually played in larger stadiums and arenas. MSG holds 19,033 and always sells out.

MSG would bring a ton of press and prestige to the ACC. To not have the ACC tournament there, at least, on a frequent basis would be a mistake.

Very true. Just take a look at MSG today and yesterday and you see it was packed. I saw a few scenes of the Georgia Tech/BC game today and the arena was kind of sparce. There were a lot of empty seats. Wouldnt be surprised if it was about half full. You couldnt find an empty seat at MSG the last couple of days.

again this has more to do with the way the league sells tickets & not whether or not people want to go to the game. most tickets are sold for the entire tournament but some people don't show up the first day. if unused tickets were made available to the general public then every game would be full

If the Acc Tourney is anything like the BE Tourney, and I believe it is, then the tickets should have been sold out a few hours after they go on sale. Because Greensboro Coloseum is larger than MSG, there are more tickets to sell. But butts in the seats, the BE takes it.

What killed the BE was the lack of a consensual strategic plan for the 16 teams. A lot of us knew we were on borrowed time with a BB agenda and a FB agenda. All schools that play all sports means one agenda. ACC provides that.

(03-14-2013 04:17 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:36 PM)Villecard Wrote:  What about this....

"All five major conference commissioners privately acknowledge that realignment isn't done. And the next logical evolution will inevitably be a poaching of the ACC.

When will this happen? That's the biggest question among athletic directors and TV executives right now. No one knows the answer. But this much is certain -- there's nothing that's happened in the last three years that suggests that realignment will just stop. Will Jim Delany expand the Big Ten this spring with North Carolina and Virginia? Will Mike Slive pull the trigger first and nab N.C. State or Virginia Tech? Will the Big 12 make a power play for Florida State or Clemson? Who makes the first move? Rest assured that even the most deep-rooted ACC schools have contingency plans in case the league gets poached.

At its core, grabbing the Garden would be a long-term asset that would separate the ACC from its rivals. It would strengthen its basketball profile and make it more attractive for the long term. It would ingratiate the ACC in the country's best media market and one of the most fertile recruiting grounds."

Holding the ACC tournament in MSG isn't going to stabilize the conference or put it on equal financial footing with the SEC or Big 10. How do I know this? Because holding its tournament in MSG didn't stop the annihilation of the Big East in its current format. What killed the Big East was the lack of money (bowls, TV revenues, etc) and MSG garden isn't going to fix that problem.

Truth....and this is why Thamel is no better than "the DUDE". He is not reporting, he is stirring the pot. Now, for those wvu fans out there, if you interpret my posts correctly, I have elevated "the Dude" to the level of Thamel and McMurphy.

(03-14-2013 02:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  If you guys want a basketball tournament played in MSG you should have stayed in the Big East.

This is about planting the ACC Flag in the biggest media market in the World.

(03-14-2013 02:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:10 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, we will just have disagree. However, I will admit to being bias, I hate damn NYC and its culture.

PS: I love up-state New York, but have little use for NYC, very little use at all!

I think that New York City is a great place to have the tournament. I love visiting New York and have no problem with the city or its culture.



In light of your post and in honor of St. Patrick's Day, here is a stanza about the Irish immigrants and New York City:

"We worked on the subways, we ran the saloons
We built all the bridges, we played all the tunes
We put out the fires & controlled City Hall
We started with nothing & wound up with it all."


--When New York Was Irish (by Terence Winch)

Its Boston and the Irish are Red Soxes and Celtic fans!

(03-14-2013 05:52 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:10 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, we will just have disagree. However, I will admit to being bias, I hate damn NYC and its culture.

PS: I love up-state New York, but have little use for NYC, very little use at all!

I think that New York City is a great place to have the tournament. I love visiting New York and have no problem with the city or its culture.



In light of your post and in honor of St. Patrick's Day, here is a stanza about the Irish immigrants and New York City:

"We worked on the subways, we ran the saloons
We built all the bridges, we played all the tunes
We put out the fires & controlled City Hall
We started with nothing & wound up with it all."


--When New York Was Irish (by Terence Winch)

Its Boston and the Irish are Red Soxes and Celtic fans!

The poem actually ends with "and then we woke up..."
ZING!

(03-14-2013 01:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 01:04 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I can understand why Cuse loves the garden and why Pitino does. However, the ACC will get the same media coverage with or without NYC!

Disagree with you there...Those ACC games on ESPN3 sure are awesome.

Here in Greensboro, if you have to watch on TV, you would watch on the ACC TV Network or on an ESPN channel. I guess it depends your choice of announcers.
ACC network has better camera work. Normally we would just turn down the sound and listen to the radio broadcast on the Tar Heel Radio Network which broadcasts every game of the tournament.

Maybe with 15 teams next year it's a good time for the ACC to reconsider its antiquated ticket distribution arrangement for the ACCT.

Things could stay the way they are and - in theory - each team would give up 1/60th of its tickets. That in itself is a big enough problem if you happen to be the big UNC or Duke donor who no longer gets tickets to the ACCT because they have to make room for Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame.

But that isn't the whole picture. If you look at the seating chart you'll see that the basketball first teams get more tickets. Syracuse and Louisville fit that bill, so they will need >1/15th of the tickets.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but the status quo isn't it.

(03-14-2013 06:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Maybe with 15 teams next year it's a good time for the ACC to reconsider its antiquated ticket distribution arrangement for the ACCT.

Things could stay the way they are and - in theory - each team would give up 1/60th of its tickets. That in itself is a big enough problem if you happen to be the big UNC or Duke donor who no longer gets tickets to the ACCT because they have to make room for Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame.

But that isn't the whole picture. If you look at the seating chart you'll see that the basketball first teams get more tickets. Syracuse and Louisville fit that bill, so they will need >1/15th of the tickets.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but the status quo isn't it.

I think they should just make it easy to re-list individual games you can't attend like VT does.

It would be stupid to annually host the ACCT at MSG when only Cuse likely has a large group of fans/alumni in the NYC area. Nobody cares about BC. Pitt isn't that close. UVA is the next closest and that ain't close either. I'd much rather shuffle between Atlanta, Charlotte, D.C. and NYC once every four years. Screw Greensboro.

With the loss of UMD, the potential loss of Rutgers (not that they're a basketball school) and not currently having UConn in the conference, there is very little incentive to have the ACC in NYC all that often.

I just think it's some stupid fascination some fans have.

The thing about Greensboro that is nice is that it is a cheap trip. Tickets are 500 dollars but lodging and flights are cheap. Restaurants are cheaper than other cities. Most of the fan bases can actually drive to the games. It also seats over 20% more than MSG does.

(03-14-2013 03:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:33 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The ACC tournament already outdraws the BE tournament most years. Moving the tournament would be a mistake.

That's because the ACC Tournament is usually played in larger stadiums and arenas. MSG holds 19,033 and always sells out.

MSG would bring a ton of press and prestige to the ACC. To not have the ACC tournament there, at least, on a frequent basis would be a mistake.

Very true. Just take a look at MSG today and yesterday and you see it was packed. I saw a few scenes of the Georgia Tech/BC game today and the arena was kind of sparce. There were a lot of empty seats. Wouldnt be surprised if it was about half full. You couldnt find an empty seat at MSG the last couple of days.

Awful lot of empty seats at the WF/Maryland game this evening as well.

On a side note I think it may be hard for some of the ACC guys to understand the draw of MSG because they have never experienced it.

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(03-14-2013 05:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  If you guys want a basketball tournament played in MSG you should have stayed in the Big East.

This is about planting the ACC Flag in the biggest media market in the World.

If the ACC is to reach its full potential att some point the league needs to become a true Atlantic coast league (like the PAC) and not an Atlantic southern coast league. That is going to mean changes that a lot of traditional southern fans are going to hate.

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(03-14-2013 07:10 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 05:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  If you guys want a basketball tournament played in MSG you should have stayed in the Big East.

This is about planting the ACC Flag in the biggest media market in the World.

If the ACC is to reach its full potential att some point the league needs to become a true Atlantic coast league (like the PAC) and not an Atlantic southern coast league. That is going to mean changes that a lot of traditional southern fans are going to hate.

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If it is a true atlantic coast league it won't have a tournament in the northeastern corner of the conference.

(03-14-2013 07:28 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 07:10 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 05:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 02:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  If you guys want a basketball tournament played in MSG you should have stayed in the Big East.

This is about planting the ACC Flag in the biggest media market in the World.

If the ACC is to reach its full potential att some point the league needs to become a true Atlantic coast league (like the PAC) and not an Atlantic southern coast league. That is going to mean changes that a lot of traditional southern fans are going to hate.

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If it is a true atlantic coast league it won't have a tournament in the northeastern corner of the conference.

No, I wouldn't recommend having it in Boston either. I would have it in the Mid-Atlantic in the east coast's biggest and most prominent city.