(04-22-2013 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:   Definite? Sure thing Mr. Swofford.

Base 20+ mil per team
OB 2.5 mil per team
base playoffs 3.6 mil per team
Bowls 2.5 mil per team
NCAA credits 2 mil per team

That's 30.6 mil right there.

This doesn't even include years where the ACC gets into the playoffs or other access bowls.

Oh my god, ok if you have to go THAT far in order to come up with the 30 mil figure then good on you. The point is still the same that other conferences won't have to. They will be making much more than 30 mil when you start adding all that up.

No one is making 30 mil without adding everything up. Show me where someone is making that on TV revenue alone.

Remind me to do all of that looking up of stuff some other day. I really can't be bothered right now. Figured that would be evident by my exasperated reply to you going that far. I get it though, you are excited.

Go easy on He1nous. His dream of a 20 school Big Ten with intra-conference playoffs ended today.

Many thought it was a done deal but it is today a dead deal (at least for ten more years).

(04-22-2013 08:52 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Base 20+ mil per team
OB 2.5 mil per team
base playoffs 3.6 mil per team
Bowls 2.5 mil per team
NCAA credits 2 mil per team

That's 30.6 mil right there.

This doesn't even include years where the ACC gets into the playoffs or other access bowls.

Oh my god, ok if you have to go THAT far in order to come up with the 30 mil figure then good on you. The point is still the same that other conferences won't have to. They will be making much more than 30 mil when you start adding all that up.

No one is making 30 mil without adding everything up. Show me where someone is making that on TV revenue alone.

Remind me to do all of that looking up of stuff some other day. I really can't be bothered right now. Figured that would be evident by my exasperated reply to you going that far. I get it though, you are excited.

Go easy on He1nous. His dream of a 20 school Big Ten with intra-conference playoffs ended today.

Many thought it was a done deal but it is today a dead deal (at least for ten more years).

Terry, as a ND guy you have to be very excited. ND even though it was never in any real danger of having to join a league is very secure now:

1. Still controls 7 of it games and still has it deal with NBC for the next 12 years.

2. Men & Womens Basketball is in the Top League in the country for those sports & ND has exposure from the Northeast through the Sunbelt including the states of Florida & Georgia.

3. It has Access to the Playoffs and it has Access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC Bowl Lineup which will improve by leaps and bounds with the addition of ND to go with FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC State and even Louisville.

(04-22-2013 08:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

Oh my god, ok if you have to go THAT far in order to come up with the 30 mil figure then good on you. The point is still the same that other conferences won't have to. They will be making much more than 30 mil when you start adding all that up.

No one is making 30 mil without adding everything up. Show me where someone is making that on TV revenue alone.

Remind me to do all of that looking up of stuff some other day. I really can't be bothered right now. Figured that would be evident by my exasperated reply to you going that far. I get it though, you are excited.

Not excited. I just enjoy putting people like you in your place. You're an educated person I suppose and you can read just like me and you know darn well no one is getting 30 mil on TV revenue alone.

Want some help with your research? This is what the Big 10 paid out last year

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/i...0f31a.html

Congrats on putting me in my place. Kudos!

Unfortunately I was pestered by another poster in the other thread for this info so I did a quick search and found something. I never said 30 mil in tv revenue alone but.....lets take a look at my link shall we?

Quote:Six years ago, before the Big Ten Network debuted, the university received $10.7 million in annual payments from the Big Ten. Two years later, with the conference's network firmly in place televising football, basketball and other sports, Minnesota's annual share jumped to $18.8 million. It has since spiraled to $22.9 million in 2011 and figures to jump even more -- one unofficial estimate put the figure at $32 million by 2014 -- when Rutgers and Maryland join the Big Ten and push the conference into the lucrative East Coast markets.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gopher...ml?refer=y

That is what Minnesota makes! Freaking Minnesota...is going to make more money than you guys. That is an actual media outlet citing 32 million a year by 2014. Enjoy! Been fun! I truly do like you guys, just giving you some razzing.

Congrats on the GoR. It adds a whole new element to this Drama I enjoy following.

This 2012 article says the Big Ten payout from ALL sources for last year was projected to be $24.6 million.

The total TV revenues were $17.2 million from the Big Ten Network and ESPN/ABC/CBS combined.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/i...0f31a.html

(04-22-2013 08:58 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:52 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

Oh my god, ok if you have to go THAT far in order to come up with the 30 mil figure then good on you. The point is still the same that other conferences won't have to. They will be making much more than 30 mil when you start adding all that up.

No one is making 30 mil without adding everything up. Show me where someone is making that on TV revenue alone.

Remind me to do all of that looking up of stuff some other day. I really can't be bothered right now. Figured that would be evident by my exasperated reply to you going that far. I get it though, you are excited.

Go easy on He1nous. His dream of a 20 school Big Ten with intra-conference playoffs ended today.

Many thought it was a done deal but it is today a dead deal (at least for ten more years).

Terry, as a ND guy you have to be very excited. ND even though it was never in any real danger of having to join a league is very secure now:

1. Still controls 7 of it games and still has it deal with NBC for the next 12 years.

2. Men & Womens Basketball is in the Top League in the country for those sports & ND has exposure from the Northeast through the Sunbelt including the states of Florida & Georgia.

3. It has Access to the Playoffs and it has Access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC Bowl Lineup which will improve by leaps and bounds with the addition of ND to go with FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC State and even Louisville.

Plus, ND hockey is joining Hockey East and signed a separate TV deal with NBC Sports wherein the latter will televise every ND home hockey game.

There also will apparently be an ACC Network which will televise a good bit of ND content.

I am hearing rumors that the NBC deal went up from $15 million to $25 million per year for ND's home football games. I haven't seen anything official to confirm it yet.

It also has a secure conference that has schools in Pittsburgh, Boston, Syracuse/New York City (Meadowlands games), Louisville, Atlanta and Miami.

It will play Navy away games at Fed Ex Field in Washington, D.C. and will retain its games in San Francisco and Los Angeles.

It will probably participate in an ACC/Big 12 scheduling alliance that will see it play Texas, Oklahoma, etc. on a regular basis for Southwest USA coverage.

Throw in a neutral site, "home game" once in a while in an NFL stadium in a strategic big city and ND has the nation covered with games/exposure.



If anyone had said last August that ND would:



1) Go 12-0 in in the regular season and play in the championship game;

2) Secure a playoff spot and an Orange Bowl spot as an independent;

3) Join the ACC as a partial member with a scheduling alliance;

4) Participate in ACC basketball/baseball/lacrosse, etc..as a full member;

5) Get a ten million dollar per year, 10 year NBC extension;

6) Have access to ACC minor bowl spots;

7) Join a secure, 14 school ACC with a ten year Grant of Rights,

people would have called the coroner to have that person confined for a 72 hour mental health observation.

I think that Jack Swarbrick hit a grand slam and ND came out of conference realignment with everything it could have hoped for.

(04-22-2013 09:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:58 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:52 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  No one is making 30 mil without adding everything up. Show me where someone is making that on TV revenue alone.

Remind me to do all of that looking up of stuff some other day. I really can't be bothered right now. Figured that would be evident by my exasperated reply to you going that far. I get it though, you are excited.

Go easy on He1nous. His dream of a 20 school Big Ten with intra-conference playoffs ended today.

Many thought it was a done deal but it is today a dead deal (at least for ten more years).

Terry, as a ND guy you have to be very excited. ND even though it was never in any real danger of having to join a league is very secure now:

1. Still controls 7 of it games and still has it deal with NBC for the next 12 years.

2. Men & Womens Basketball is in the Top League in the country for those sports & ND has exposure from the Northeast through the Sunbelt including the states of Florida & Georgia.

3. It has Access to the Playoffs and it has Access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC Bowl Lineup which will improve by leaps and bounds with the addition of ND to go with FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC State and even Louisville.

Plus, ND hockey is joining Hockey East and signed a separate TV deal with NBC Sports wherein the latter will televise every ND home hockey game.

There also will apparently be an ACC Network which will televise a good bit of ND content.

I am hearing rumors that the NBC deal went up from $15 million to $25 million per year for ND's home football games. I haven't seen anything official to confirm it yet.

It also has a secure conference that has schools in Pittsburgh, Boston, Syracuse/New York City (Meadowlands games), Louisville, Atlanta and Miami.

It will play Navy away games at Fed Ex Field in Washington, D.C. and will retain its games in San Francisco and Los Angeles.

It will probably participate in an ACC/Big 12 scheduling alliance that will see it play Texas, Oklahoma, etc. on a regular basis for Southwest USA coverage.

Throw in a neutral site, "home game" once in a while in an NFL stadium in a strategic big city and ND has the nation covered with games/exposure.



If anyone had said last August that ND would:



1) Go 12-0 in in the regular season and play in the championship game;

2) Secure a playoff spot and an Orange Bowl spot as an independent;

3) Join the ACC as a partial member with a scheduling alliance;

4) Participate in ACC basketball/baseball/lacrosse, etc..as a full member;

5) Get a ten million dollar per year, 10 year NBC extension;

6) Have access to ACC minor bowl spots;

7) Join a secure, 14 school ACC with a ten year Grant of Rights,

people would have called the coroner to have that person confined for a 72 hour mental health observation.

I think that Jack Swarbrick hit a grand slam and ND came out of conference realignment with everything it could have hoped for.

And for ND fans like yourself just sit back and watch Jim Delany squirm...he had been eyeballing UNC and other ACC schools for years...aint happening now.

I'm starting to wonder if that ACC/Big 12 alliance is still going to happen. The ACC schools appear to be beefing up their non-conference schedules without it.

Second, TerryD, the ACC is headquartered in NC and you didn't list a single city. You could have at least said Charlotte.

(04-22-2013 09:21 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:58 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:52 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Remind me to do all of that looking up of stuff some other day. I really can't be bothered right now. Figured that would be evident by my exasperated reply to you going that far. I get it though, you are excited.

Go easy on He1nous. His dream of a 20 school Big Ten with intra-conference playoffs ended today.

Many thought it was a done deal but it is today a dead deal (at least for ten more years).

Terry, as a ND guy you have to be very excited. ND even though it was never in any real danger of having to join a league is very secure now:

1. Still controls 7 of it games and still has it deal with NBC for the next 12 years.

2. Men & Womens Basketball is in the Top League in the country for those sports & ND has exposure from the Northeast through the Sunbelt including the states of Florida & Georgia.

3. It has Access to the Playoffs and it has Access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC Bowl Lineup which will improve by leaps and bounds with the addition of ND to go with FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC State and even Louisville.

Plus, ND hockey is joining Hockey East and signed a separate TV deal with NBC Sports wherein the latter will televise every ND home hockey game.

There also will apparently be an ACC Network which will televise a good bit of ND content.

I am hearing rumors that the NBC deal went up from $15 million to $25 million per year for ND's home football games. I haven't seen anything official to confirm it yet.

It also has a secure conference that has schools in Pittsburgh, Boston, Syracuse/New York City (Meadowlands games), Louisville, Atlanta and Miami.

It will play Navy away games at Fed Ex Field in Washington, D.C. and will retain its games in San Francisco and Los Angeles.

It will probably participate in an ACC/Big 12 scheduling alliance that will see it play Texas, Oklahoma, etc. on a regular basis for Southwest USA coverage.

Throw in a neutral site, "home game" once in a while in an NFL stadium in a strategic big city and ND has the nation covered with games/exposure.



If anyone had said last August that ND would:



1) Go 12-0 in in the regular season and play in the championship game;

2) Secure a playoff spot and an Orange Bowl spot as an independent;

3) Join the ACC as a partial member with a scheduling alliance;

4) Participate in ACC basketball/baseball/lacrosse, etc..as a full member;

5) Get a ten million dollar per year, 10 year NBC extension;

6) Have access to ACC minor bowl spots;

7) Join a secure, 14 school ACC with a ten year Grant of Rights,

people would have called the coroner to have that person confined for a 72 hour mental health observation.

I think that Jack Swarbrick hit a grand slam and ND came out of conference realignment with everything it could have hoped for.

And for ND fans like yourself just sit back and watch Jim Delany squirm...he had been eyeballing UNC and other ACC schools for years...aint happening now.

Yeah, that too..... :)

I told Buccaneer and others last summer that I thought ND would get playoff access, stay indy and get a big NBC boost.

He and others told me that I was crazy.

But, I never even thought then that ND would get a partial membership in a stable ACC with a GOR.

I am pretty happy about the events of the past week or so.

(04-22-2013 09:27 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I'm starting to wonder if that ACC/Big 12 alliance is still going to happen. The ACC schools appear to be beefing up their non-conference schedules without it.

Second, TerryD, the ACC is headquartered in NC and you didn't list a single city. You could have at least said Charlotte.

I was just listing stadium venues in big cities. ND wants to play in big markets all around the country. Mission accomplished.

(04-22-2013 09:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:27 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I'm starting to wonder if that ACC/Big 12 alliance is still going to happen. The ACC schools appear to be beefing up their non-conference schedules without it.

Second, TerryD, the ACC is headquartered in NC and you didn't list a single city. You could have at least said Charlotte.

I was just listing stadium venues in big cities. ND wants to play in big markets all around the country. Mission accomplished.

Charlotte, Raleigh, and Greensboro have larger markets than Louisville..all top 50.

(04-22-2013 09:48 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:27 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I'm starting to wonder if that ACC/Big 12 alliance is still going to happen. The ACC schools appear to be beefing up their non-conference schedules without it.

Second, TerryD, the ACC is headquartered in NC and you didn't list a single city. You could have at least said Charlotte.

I was just listing stadium venues in big cities. ND wants to play in big markets all around the country. Mission accomplished.

Charlotte, Raleigh, and Greensboro have larger markets than Louisville..all top 50.

My bad. :(

(04-22-2013 09:53 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:48 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:27 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I'm starting to wonder if that ACC/Big 12 alliance is still going to happen. The ACC schools appear to be beefing up their non-conference schedules without it.

Second, TerryD, the ACC is headquartered in NC and you didn't list a single city. You could have at least said Charlotte.

I was just listing stadium venues in big cities. ND wants to play in big markets all around the country. Mission accomplished.

Charlotte, Raleigh, and Greensboro have larger markets than Louisville..all top 50.

My bad. :(

It's all good. I'm just busting your chops because I'm a North Carolinian :)

(04-22-2013 09:21 PM)Maize Wrote:  And for ND fans like yourself just sit back and watch Jim Delany squirm...he had been eyeballing UNC and other ACC schools for years...aint happening now.

JD doesn't squirm. "Everything is proceeding as (he) has foreseen"

(04-23-2013 06:51 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:21 PM)Maize Wrote:  And for ND fans like yourself just sit back and watch Jim Delany squirm...he had been eyeballing UNC and other ACC schools for years...aint happening now.

JD doesn't squirm. "Everything is proceeding as (he) has foreseen"

Lol, right! I know that the "smartest man in college football" is still basking in glory for adding Texas and ND to the Big Ten back in 2010.

Wait......that was the last "done deal". Delany had outsmarted and "checkmated" ND then. Er, no.

This year's version was a 20 school Big Ten with an ACC/Southeast pod and an inevitable "vision" of intra-conference playoffs.

It was set in stone, nothing could stop it.

Wait.......

When does round three start? Delany is losing on points so far in this boxing match.

Swofford>Delaney

I'm just going to start calling Swofford "Slick".

(04-23-2013 07:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Lol, right! I know that the "smartest man in college football" is still basking in glory for adding Texas and ND to the Big Ten back in 2010.

Wait......that was the last "done deal". Delany had outsmarted and "checkmated" ND then. Er, no.

This year's version was a 20 school Big Ten with an ACC/Southeast pod and an inevitable "vision" of intra-conference playoffs.

It was set in stone, nothing could stop it.

Wait.......

When does round three start? Delany is losing on points so far in this boxing match.

"Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your friends, up there in the ACC, are walking into a trap"



Full discloser: I am actually happy for the (full) members of the ACC and wish them good luck with their Irish friends.

(04-23-2013 07:56 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Swofford>Delaney

I'm just going to start calling Swofford "Slick".

Swofford has his GoR & apparently still $52 Million Buyout...talk about stabilizing your league...plus put his league in Media Rights @ the minimum on the same level or even slightly higher then the Pac 12 & Big XII without an ACC Network in the works.

Slick indeed....Maryland is now like this...what happened.

(04-23-2013 08:07 AM)Maize Wrote:  Slick indeed....Maryland is now like this...what happened.

What happened is that the ACC suddenly decided to act like a conference after the walls started closing in. But I doubt they're huddled together singing the 1000th verse of kumbaya.

(04-23-2013 08:12 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:07 AM)Maize Wrote:  Slick indeed....Maryland is now like this...what happened.

What happened is that the ACC suddenly decided to act like a conference after the walls started closing in. But I doubt they're huddled together singing the 1000th verse of kumbaya.

Little do you know... I'm organizing a drum circle as we speak (well type...)

You want in?