(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court?

Because nothing seems to stand up in court.

Quote:Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

I said the same thing a year and a half ago, along with a lot of Big East fans, about West Virginia.

All it takes is a ruling by a court that the conference GORs are a renamed exit fee.

Or a ruling that the GOR means the conference has to keep paying a former-conference member a share of their TV contract.

(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.

Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

(04-24-2013 10:03 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it:

(1) The B1G wanted to expand some more, and that expansion was almost surely going to come at the expense of the ACC, in the form of invites to schools like UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech

(2) The new GOR signed by the ACC schools has effectively ended the threat of B1G predation on the ACC, thwarting their expansions plans

(3) The reason the GOR was agreed to was because the ACC's football alliance with Notre Dame boosted the media deal up to the magic $20 million mark that mollified schools like FSU and Clemson.

Ergo, Notre Dame stopped B1G expansion dead in its tracks.

(1) Maybe, maybe not. I seriously doubt that UVA was ever really in the mix.

If Maryland and Rutgers were in the B1G mix, why wouldn't UVA be?

The B1G vision is about much more than athletics. UVA fits their pursuit of research dollars perfectly. And those dollars dwarf the amount of money that sports can generate.

(04-24-2013 10:36 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Notre Dame needs the ACC for its other sports and student/alumni demographics...simple as that.

The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The B10 will got twice the tv revenue of the ACC.
Obviously the B10 is not a loser.
The B10 plays the PAC 12 in the national playoff.
The SEC plays the SEC in the national playoff.
The ACC gets to play who in the national playoff?the winner of cusa,AAC,MWC,sun belt,MAC or the second place teams from B10,B12,SEC or PAC 12.

The ACC hardly seems a winner!!!

Did football really get stronger in the ACC with addition of Syracuse or Pitt? hardly

I'll put it to you this way: Acc football is stronger with Pitt and Syracuse than it would be with Pitt and Uconn. Thus, the reason that Uconn is stuck where it is.

(04-24-2013 12:57 PM)MiamiWolv Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The ACC survived, but winning the war is a major stretch. It may turn into the premier basketball conference, but its pretty enconsched as the 5th best football conference for the forseeable future.

Further, while adding Syracuse helps give the ACC a presence in the Northeast with BC, the B1G has a stranglehold the mid-atlantic region of Maryland, New Jersey and Pennsylvania (PSU).

Well, the ACC/B1G challenges should be exciting for the next several years.

They won because they stayed among the Big Boys and emerged stronger. Also, the ACC will be the premier Basketball Conference. Who else has 4 of the Top 10 brands in Hoops? And I'm not even counting ND, NCSt and Pitt. The ACC added schools with National Championships in Football, the shiniest new Big Boy in Louisville along with a scheduling agreement with Notre Dame.

Sure you got NJ cable boxes and Maryland...but the B1G already had central and eastern PA. The ACC gained Upstate NY, downstate NY, Western PA, KY and Southern IN. The ACC traded a tarnished MD for Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville and most of Notre Dame. Advantage ACC.

BTW, ACC Football is recovering. The B1G hasn't exactly been a killer in FB either and adding MD and Rutgers are two Paper Tigers.

(04-24-2013 01:45 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:03 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it:

(1) The B1G wanted to expand some more, and that expansion was almost surely going to come at the expense of the ACC, in the form of invites to schools like UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech

(2) The new GOR signed by the ACC schools has effectively ended the threat of B1G predation on the ACC, thwarting their expansions plans

(3) The reason the GOR was agreed to was because the ACC's football alliance with Notre Dame boosted the media deal up to the magic $20 million mark that mollified schools like FSU and Clemson.

Ergo, Notre Dame stopped B1G expansion dead in its tracks.

(1) Maybe, maybe not. I seriously doubt that UVA was ever really in the mix.

If Maryland and Rutgers were in the B1G mix, why wouldn't UVA be?

The B1G vision is about much more than athletics. UVA fits their pursuit of research dollars perfectly. And those dollars dwarf the amount of money that sports can generate.

UVA is Southern...UMD isn't. That is why I knew it was a pipedream.

Awesome...B1G research kicks azz! Go Laser Beams!

(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.

Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

Great points.

I would also point out that the ACC is the only power conference with more than 2 private schools. In fact, ND is #6. That conference is the perfect fit for them.

Not only are there already 5 other private schools who have needs in common with ND in the ACC, but one of them is the only other Catholic football school in the country. Another is the "Harvard of the South", an academic peer that ND surely values. And the other 3 are all first rate academically as well. Throw some public Ivies into the mix, schools that are more private school size rather than B1G factory size and it's the best association that ND could hope for.

(04-24-2013 01:51 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:33 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  What does that make Louisville?

Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.

Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

Great points.

I would also printout that the ACC is the only power conference with more than 2 private schools. In fact, ND is #6. That conference is the perfect fit for them.

Not only are there already 5 other private schools who have needs in common with ND in the ACC, but one of them is the only other Catholic football school in the country. Another is the "Harvard of the South", an academic peer that ND surely values. And the other 3 are all first rate academically as well. Throw some public Ivies into the mix, schools that are more private school size rather than B1G factory size and it's the best association that ND could hope for.

Yes, I was going to edit my post and add that, but I am accused of being too long winded in my posts. :)

Also, you beat me to it. Absolutely correct.

ND could not be happier about all of this. It got just about everything it wanted out of realignment.

Besides, what was the alternative? Stay in the AAC? Join the Big East (C7)?

(04-24-2013 01:45 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:03 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it:

(1) The B1G wanted to expand some more, and that expansion was almost surely going to come at the expense of the ACC, in the form of invites to schools like UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech

(2) The new GOR signed by the ACC schools has effectively ended the threat of B1G predation on the ACC, thwarting their expansions plans

(3) The reason the GOR was agreed to was because the ACC's football alliance with Notre Dame boosted the media deal up to the magic $20 million mark that mollified schools like FSU and Clemson.

Ergo, Notre Dame stopped B1G expansion dead in its tracks.

(1) Maybe, maybe not. I seriously doubt that UVA was ever really in the mix.

If Maryland and Rutgers were in the B1G mix, why wouldn't UVA be?

The B1G vision is about much more than athletics. UVA fits their pursuit of research dollars perfectly. And those dollars dwarf the amount of money that sports can generate.

Because if the B1G asked, UVA must have given them the Heisman Hand...

(04-24-2013 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:51 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Has the GOR been tested in court ?

No

If the money is great enough in the B10 expansion will happen.

ND took care of itself, not the ACC.

Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.

Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

Great points.

I would also printout that the ACC is the only power conference with more than 2 private schools. In fact, ND is #6. That conference is the perfect fit for them.

Not only are there already 5 other private schools who have needs in common with ND in the ACC, but one of them is the only other Catholic football school in the country. Another is the "Harvard of the South", an academic peer that ND surely values. And the other 3 are all first rate academically as well. Throw some public Ivies into the mix, schools that are more private school size rather than B1G factory size and it's the best association that ND could hope for.

Yes, I was going to edit my post and add that, but I am accused of being too long winded in my posts. :)

Also, you beat me to it. Absolutely correct.

ND could not be happier about all of this. It got just about everything it wanted out of realignment.

Besides, what was the alternative? Stay in the AAC? Join the Big East (C7)?

ND got a great deal.
They got the most and gave the least.
They are happy with BC,Syracuse,Miami,Wake and Duke.
They are with Pitt.

Thats not the real question.
Did the ACC get their money's worth with ND?
I think not.

There are real good football programs in VaTech,FSU andClemson.

However ,the size of their tv package is not near that of the SEC or Big 10.ACC has 3 real great bb programs inLouisville,Syracuse and Duke who all have hc over 60.The price paid by television for good bb leagues is a lot less that for great football leagues.

(04-24-2013 02:09 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:51 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why does anyone doubt that a GOR will stand up in court? Schools choose to sign it, so what is there to argue about it? They won't have a case.

As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.

Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

Great points.

I would also printout that the ACC is the only power conference with more than 2 private schools. In fact, ND is #6. That conference is the perfect fit for them.

Not only are there already 5 other private schools who have needs in common with ND in the ACC, but one of them is the only other Catholic football school in the country. Another is the "Harvard of the South", an academic peer that ND surely values. And the other 3 are all first rate academically as well. Throw some public Ivies into the mix, schools that are more private school size rather than B1G factory size and it's the best association that ND could hope for.

Yes, I was going to edit my post and add that, but I am accused of being too long winded in my posts. :)

Also, you beat me to it. Absolutely correct.

ND could not be happier about all of this. It got just about everything it wanted out of realignment.

Besides, what was the alternative? Stay in the AAC? Join the Big East (C7)?

ND got a great deal.
They got the most and gave the least.
They are happy with BC,Syracuse,Miami,Wake and Duke.
They are with Pitt.

Thats not the real question.
Did the ACC get their money's worth with ND?
I think not.

There are real good football programs in VaTech,FSU andClemson.

However ,the size of their tv package is not near that of the SEC or Big 10.ACC has 3 real great bb programs inLouisville,Syracuse and Duke who all have hc over 60.The price paid by television for good bb leagues is a lot less that for great football leagues.

So surely then Louisville,Syracuse and Duke will all fail when their coaches move on? Is that what you are getting at? That seems to be Yukon fans' favorite line...of course forgetting they just replaced Calhoun.

The ACC doesn't have to be #1 in TV revenue...just close enough. TV revenue is only a part of the total picture.

(04-24-2013 10:03 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it:

(1) The B1G wanted to expand some more, and that expansion was almost surely going to come at the expense of the ACC, in the form of invites to schools like UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech

(2) The new GOR signed by the ACC schools has effectively ended the threat of B1G predation on the ACC, thwarting their expansions plans

(3) The reason the GOR was agreed to was because the ACC's football alliance with Notre Dame boosted the media deal up to the magic $20 million mark that mollified schools like FSU and Clemson.

Ergo, Notre Dame stopped B1G expansion dead in its tracks.

(1) Maybe, maybe not. I seriously doubt that UVA was ever really in the mix.

(2) Yes. This applies to potential Big 12 and SEC expansion as well.

(3) The ND add was an almost desperate move by the ACC to placate the football oriented schools in an effort to entice them to stay.

With the GOR now in place, the ACC now has it's stability, and the almost certainty of it's own B1G like network.
Ironically, it doesn't need ND anymore at all.

ACC deal with ND wasn't desperation. It was a good business decision

(04-24-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... As for Notre Dame, they thought they were taking care of themselves when they signed the alliance with the ACC, but that was signed before their football team went on a run to the national title game, when media were questioning their "relevance".

I seriously doubt ND would sign that agreement today. The ACC was the huge winner.

If it was a choice today between the ACC, the American and the Big12, Notre Dame's decision would only be more emphatically in favor of the ACC than when they decided to leave the Old Big East in favor of the ACC.

(04-24-2013 02:32 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:03 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it:

(1) The B1G wanted to expand some more, and that expansion was almost surely going to come at the expense of the ACC, in the form of invites to schools like UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech

(2) The new GOR signed by the ACC schools has effectively ended the threat of B1G predation on the ACC, thwarting their expansions plans

(3) The reason the GOR was agreed to was because the ACC's football alliance with Notre Dame boosted the media deal up to the magic $20 million mark that mollified schools like FSU and Clemson.

Ergo, Notre Dame stopped B1G expansion dead in its tracks.

(1) Maybe, maybe not. I seriously doubt that UVA was ever really in the mix.

(2) Yes. This applies to potential Big 12 and SEC expansion as well.

(3) The ND add was an almost desperate move by the ACC to placate the football oriented schools in an effort to entice them to stay.

With the GOR now in place, the ACC now has it's stability, and the almost certainty of it's own B1G like network.
Ironically, it doesn't need ND anymore at all.

ACC deal with ND wasn't desperation. It was a good business decision

Yes, It was a good business decision at the time; especially for Notre Dame. It still is good for ND.
ND got to put it's basketball into a premier basketball conference, without having to jeopardize it's lucrative TV contract based on football. Other conferences were demanding ND place football as well.

The ACC didn't need ND basketball, but it DID need the exposure afforded by ND football in order to placate the likes of Clemson, VT, and FSU when there was a real threat they would leave.

Make no mistake, the ACC would not have taken a partial (revenue) sport program, especially in basketball which it didn't need, without the circumstances being dire. (unless it was like an Alabama for football only).

(04-24-2013 10:36 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Notre Dame needs the ACC for its other sports and student/alumni demographics...simple as that.

The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The B10 will got twice the tv revenue of the ACC.
Obviously the B10 is not a loser.
The B10 plays the PAC 12 in the national playoff.
The SEC plays the SEC in the national playoff.
The ACC gets to play who in the national playoff?the winner of cusa,AAC,MWC,sun belt,MAC or the second place teams from B10,B12,SEC or PAC 12.

The ACC hardly seems a winner!!!

Did football really get stronger in the ACC with addition of Syracuse or Pitt? hardly

Maybe not, but it certainly did not get any weaker by losing Maryland. The B1G didn't get any more powerful with Maryland and Rutgers...

(04-24-2013 03:16 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:36 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Notre Dame needs the ACC for its other sports and student/alumni demographics...simple as that.

The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The B10 will got twice the tv revenue of the ACC.
Obviously the B10 is not a loser.
The B10 plays the PAC 12 in the national playoff.
The SEC plays the SEC in the national playoff.
The ACC gets to play who in the national playoff?the winner of cusa,AAC,MWC,sun belt,MAC or the second place teams from B10,B12,SEC or PAC 12.

The ACC hardly seems a winner!!!

Did football really get stronger in the ACC with addition of Syracuse or Pitt? hardly

Maybe not, but it certainly did not get any weaker by losing Maryland. The B1G didn't get any more powerful with Maryland and Rutgers...

Maybe not. But the B1G nearly doubled the number of eyeballs interested in watching their games. So IMO it was a big win for the B1G...

(04-24-2013 03:18 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 03:16 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:36 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Notre Dame needs the ACC for its other sports and student/alumni demographics...simple as that.

The ACC lost a few battles but appears to have won the War.

Delaney will go down in history as a flawed leader. Swofford has some flaws too but appears to be the best defensive General in the BCS.

The B10 will got twice the tv revenue of the ACC.
Obviously the B10 is not a loser.
The B10 plays the PAC 12 in the national playoff.
The SEC plays the SEC in the national playoff.
The ACC gets to play who in the national playoff?the winner of cusa,AAC,MWC,sun belt,MAC or the second place teams from B10,B12,SEC or PAC 12.

The ACC hardly seems a winner!!!

Did football really get stronger in the ACC with addition of Syracuse or Pitt? hardly

Maybe not, but it certainly did not get any weaker by losing Maryland. The B1G didn't get any more powerful with Maryland and Rutgers...

Maybe not. But the B1G nearly doubled the number of eyeballs interested in watching their games. So IMO it was a big win for the B1G...

The UM and RU fans will watch, but everybody that doesn't follow them won't magically start watching them because of a conference change. Having the BTN in the Northeast doesn't necessarily mean people will tune in. They are traditionally very busy, fast paced people who may watch the two or three biggest games of the week. JMHO. The B1G is making a huge gamble here. Rutgers would probably have more eyeballs watching if they stayed in the AAC with some of the other eastern schools. Maryland may add viewers...

Given that B1G games are already splashed throughout ESPN and ESPN2, it's difficult to say the B1G "nearly doubled the number of eyeballs" with Maryland and Rutgers. They added a few eyeballs, yes, but they didn't double with UMD and Rutgers.

(04-24-2013 03:51 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Given that B1G games are already splashed throughout ESPN and ESPN2, it's difficult to say the B1G "nearly doubled the number of eyeballs" with Maryland and Rutgers. They added a few eyeballs, yes, but they didn't double with UMD and Rutgers.

More people will watch Maryland play B1G teams than ever watched the Terps playing UNC, GT, Clemson, or most of the rest of the ACC. By the same token, more folks in New Jersey will tune in to see Rutgers playing B1G teams than ever watched them playing in The BEast. If you think otherwise, you're not thinking...

(04-24-2013 02:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 02:09 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:51 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 01:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Just my opinion, but I think that ND would definitely sign the same ACC deal today.

The Irish are extremely happy how conference realignment worked out. They really like the ACC affiliation, too. It is a great home for basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, etc...

ND likes the Southeast exposure for recruiting, games against FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, etc.. and the minor bowl bids.

They still qualify for the playoffs and the Orange Bowl as an independent, still have a much increased, 10 year NBC deal and still control 7 football games on their schedule.

(They also get all of their home hockey games televised on NBC Sports. Seriously, what university gets all of its home hockey games televised?).

Jack Swarbrick may just end up with a statue on campus for the work he has done with conference realignment since 2010.

Great points.

I would also printout that the ACC is the only power conference with more than 2 private schools. In fact, ND is #6. That conference is the perfect fit for them.

Not only are there already 5 other private schools who have needs in common with ND in the ACC, but one of them is the only other Catholic football school in the country. Another is the "Harvard of the South", an academic peer that ND surely values. And the other 3 are all first rate academically as well. Throw some public Ivies into the mix, schools that are more private school size rather than B1G factory size and it's the best association that ND could hope for.

Yes, I was going to edit my post and add that, but I am accused of being too long winded in my posts. :)

Also, you beat me to it. Absolutely correct.

ND could not be happier about all of this. It got just about everything it wanted out of realignment.

Besides, what was the alternative? Stay in the AAC? Join the Big East (C7)?

ND got a great deal.
They got the most and gave the least.
They are happy with BC,Syracuse,Miami,Wake and Duke.
They are with Pitt.

Thats not the real question.
Did the ACC get their money's worth with ND?
I think not.

There are real good football programs in VaTech,FSU andClemson.

However ,the size of their tv package is not near that of the SEC or Big 10.ACC has 3 real great bb programs inLouisville,Syracuse and Duke who all have hc over 60.The price paid by television for good bb leagues is a lot less that for great football leagues.

So surely then Louisville,Syracuse and Duke will all fail when their coaches move on? Is that what you are getting at? That seems to be Yukon fans' favorite line...of course forgetting they just replaced Calhoun.

The ACC doesn't have to be #1 in TV revenue...just close enough. TV revenue is only a part of the total picture.

Failure is incorrect.
However,not being as good as they currently are is a much better description.
Having a tv package which 50% of the best is another story.