(05-31-2013 04:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:19 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also poked fun at the ACC for considering, UCONN, CINCY, and Ville? Wow, he also mentioned how we were in a corner, sounds like the B1G was looking to destroy the ACC at the geographic heart of the conference. If we needed a new brand in MD we would have added Navy who is a national brand.

Big East fans, like myself, always thought it would come down to the Big East or the ACC to rule the northeast. At least until the ACC Armageddon Scenario came upon the scene.

The Big Ten talks a lot about being the midwestern conference, but it's becoming apparent they want to be top dog in the northeast and mid-atlantic as well.

Gee talked about a "T" strategy basically cutting the ACC in half by taking Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Duke, and Virginia.

I hope Swofford truly realizes the ACC is in a real fight now, for both identity and survival.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-31-2013 10:29 PM)PhiladelphiaVT Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:19 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also poked fun at the ACC for considering, UCONN, CINCY, and Ville? Wow, he also mentioned how we were in a corner, sounds like the B1G was looking to destroy the ACC at the geographic heart of the conference. If we needed a new brand in MD we would have added Navy who is a national brand.

Big East fans, like myself, always thought it would come down to the Big East or the ACC to rule the northeast. At least until the ACC Armageddon Scenario came upon the scene.

The Big Ten talks a lot about being the midwestern conference, but it's becoming apparent they want to be top dog in the northeast and mid-atlantic as well.

Gee talked about a "T" strategy basically cutting the ACC in half by taking Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Duke, and Virginia.

I hope Swofford truly realizes the ACC is in a real fight now, for both identity and survival.

Cheers,
Neil

Back in 2003 when the first ACC raid on the Big East took place, I recall Swofford saying something to the effect that major changes were coming to the world of college sports and that the ACC had to expand if it wished to survive as a major conference. I didn't see the truth in his words then, but I do now. The ACC had to become predatory lest it become prey, and the words of the arrogant Mr. Gee expose clearly B1G plans to feast on the ACC's carcass.

The fact that UNC, Duke and UVa held firm for the ACC must have come as a terrible shock to Gee. That plus the loss of ND to the ACC was apparently enough to push the old man over the edge. His rant against Louisville and ND was really a slap aimed at one target above all---the ACC. Not every school wishes to become a member of the high and mighty B1G--what a bitter pill to swallow!

Absolutely, and I love it.

Now can you see a portion of the reason(s) that I have always disliked anything and everything about the Big Ten Conference?

It is hard wired in me. I grew up on the stories of the bigots in the Big Ten. The Big Ten was always the enemy to me since about age six.

Fritz Crisler, Fielding Yost, Bo Schembechler, Woody Hayes, Joe Paterno, Lloyd Carr, etc... have always been in my Pantheon Of Evil.

I see not much different between Fielding Yost in 1913 and Gordon Gee in 2013 (better PR and PC, normally).

The Big Ten is full of bad stuff to me and always has been.

http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2012/09...-michigan/

To me, this tape is a glimpse under the tent flap of the way the Big Ten has always thought and operated. It is not a good thing.

This is a rare, unintended glimpse into their true thoughts and feelings. It was an inadvertent disclosure.

I truly enjoy the angst, bitterness and anger generated by the fact that there sits ND, proudly flying another flag right smack dab in the middle of Big Ten country, an "island fortress" stubbornly refusing to surrender.

Gee is upset that ND's priests got the best of him in negotiations? He is upset that the ACC stabilized and the big dream of a "T", the 16-20 school Big Ten superconference didn't expand down the Atlantic coast?

Suck on it, Gordo.

(06-01-2013 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:19 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also poked fun at the ACC for considering, UCONN, CINCY, and Ville? Wow, he also mentioned how we were in a corner, sounds like the B1G was looking to destroy the ACC at the geographic heart of the conference. If we needed a new brand in MD we would have added Navy who is a national brand.

Big East fans, like myself, always thought it would come down to the Big East or the ACC to rule the northeast. At least until the ACC Armageddon Scenario came upon the scene.

The Big Ten talks a lot about being the midwestern conference, but it's becoming apparent they want to be top dog in the northeast and mid-atlantic as well.

Gee talked about a "T" strategy basically cutting the ACC in half by taking Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Duke, and Virginia.

I hope Swofford truly realizes the ACC is in a real fight now, for both identity and survival.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-31-2013 10:29 PM)PhiladelphiaVT Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:19 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also poked fun at the ACC for considering, UCONN, CINCY, and Ville? Wow, he also mentioned how we were in a corner, sounds like the B1G was looking to destroy the ACC at the geographic heart of the conference. If we needed a new brand in MD we would have added Navy who is a national brand.

Big East fans, like myself, always thought it would come down to the Big East or the ACC to rule the northeast. At least until the ACC Armageddon Scenario came upon the scene.

The Big Ten talks a lot about being the midwestern conference, but it's becoming apparent they want to be top dog in the northeast and mid-atlantic as well.

Gee talked about a "T" strategy basically cutting the ACC in half by taking Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Duke, and Virginia.

I hope Swofford truly realizes the ACC is in a real fight now, for both identity and survival.

Cheers,
Neil

Back in 2003 when the first ACC raid on the Big East took place, I recall Swofford saying something to the effect that major changes were coming to the world of college sports and that the ACC had to expand if it wished to survive as a major conference. I didn't see the truth in his words then, but I do now. The ACC had to become predatory lest it become prey, and the words of the arrogant Mr. Gee expose clearly B1G plans to feast on the ACC's carcass.

The fact that UNC, Duke and UVa held firm for the ACC must have come as a terrible shock to Gee. That plus the loss of ND to the ACC was apparently enough to push the old man over the edge. His rant against Louisville and ND was really a slap aimed at one target above all---the ACC. Not every school wishes to become a member of the high and mighty B1G--what a bitter pill to swallow!

Absolutely, and I love it.

Now can you see a portion of the reason(s) that I have always disliked anything and everything about the Big Ten Conference?

It is hard wired in me. I grew up on the stories of the bigots in the Big Ten. The Big Ten was always the enemy to me since about age six.

Bo Schembechler, Woody Hayes, Joe Paterno, Lloyd Carr, etc... have always been in my Pantheon Of Evil.

I see not much different between Fielding Yost in 1913 and Gordon Gee in 2013 (better PR and PC, normally).

The Big Ten is full of bad stuff to me and always has been.

http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2012/09...-michigan/

To me, this tape is a glimpse under the tent flap of the way the Big Ten has always thought and operated. It is not a good thing.

This is a rare, unintended glimpse into their true thoughts and feelings. It was an inadvertent disclosure.

Gee is upset that ND's priests got the best of him in negotiations? He is upset that the ACC stabilized and the big dream of a "T", the 16-20 school Big Ten superconference didn't expand down the Atlantic coast?

Suck on it, Gordo.

TerryD, it is also the reason that Notre Dame WILL eventually join the ACC as a full member, which will completely stabalize the northeast and mid-atlantic with sufficient resources to withstand the evil empire.

(06-01-2013 10:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:19 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also poked fun at the ACC for considering, UCONN, CINCY, and Ville? Wow, he also mentioned how we were in a corner, sounds like the B1G was looking to destroy the ACC at the geographic heart of the conference. If we needed a new brand in MD we would have added Navy who is a national brand.

Big East fans, like myself, always thought it would come down to the Big East or the ACC to rule the northeast. At least until the ACC Armageddon Scenario came upon the scene.

The Big Ten talks a lot about being the midwestern conference, but it's becoming apparent they want to be top dog in the northeast and mid-atlantic as well.

Gee talked about a "T" strategy basically cutting the ACC in half by taking Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Duke, and Virginia.

I hope Swofford truly realizes the ACC is in a real fight now, for both identity and survival.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-31-2013 10:29 PM)PhiladelphiaVT Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:19 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also poked fun at the ACC for considering, UCONN, CINCY, and Ville? Wow, he also mentioned how we were in a corner, sounds like the B1G was looking to destroy the ACC at the geographic heart of the conference. If we needed a new brand in MD we would have added Navy who is a national brand.

Big East fans, like myself, always thought it would come down to the Big East or the ACC to rule the northeast. At least until the ACC Armageddon Scenario came upon the scene.

The Big Ten talks a lot about being the midwestern conference, but it's becoming apparent they want to be top dog in the northeast and mid-atlantic as well.

Gee talked about a "T" strategy basically cutting the ACC in half by taking Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Duke, and Virginia.

I hope Swofford truly realizes the ACC is in a real fight now, for both identity and survival.

Cheers,
Neil

Back in 2003 when the first ACC raid on the Big East took place, I recall Swofford saying something to the effect that major changes were coming to the world of college sports and that the ACC had to expand if it wished to survive as a major conference. I didn't see the truth in his words then, but I do now. The ACC had to become predatory lest it become prey, and the words of the arrogant Mr. Gee expose clearly B1G plans to feast on the ACC's carcass.

The fact that UNC, Duke and UVa held firm for the ACC must have come as a terrible shock to Gee. That plus the loss of ND to the ACC was apparently enough to push the old man over the edge. His rant against Louisville and ND was really a slap aimed at one target above all---the ACC. Not every school wishes to become a member of the high and mighty B1G--what a bitter pill to swallow!

Absolutely, and I love it.

Now can you see a portion of the reason(s) that I have always disliked anything and everything about the Big Ten Conference?

It is hard wired in me. I grew up on the stories of the bigots in the Big Ten. The Big Ten was always the enemy to me since about age six.

Bo Schembechler, Woody Hayes, Joe Paterno, Lloyd Carr, etc... have always been in my Pantheon Of Evil.

I see not much different between Fielding Yost in 1913 and Gordon Gee in 2013 (better PR and PC, normally).

The Big Ten is full of bad stuff to me and always has been.

http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2012/09...-michigan/

To me, this tape is a glimpse under the tent flap of the way the Big Ten has always thought and operated. It is not a good thing.

This is a rare, unintended glimpse into their true thoughts and feelings. It was an inadvertent disclosure.

Gee is upset that ND's priests got the best of him in negotiations? He is upset that the ACC stabilized and the big dream of a "T", the 16-20 school Big Ten superconference didn't expand down the Atlantic coast?

Suck on it, Gordo.

TerryD, it is also the reason that Notre Dame WILL eventually join the ACC as a full member, which will completely stabalize the northeast and mid-atlantic with sufficient resources to withstand the evil empire.

No offense, X, but I hope not. Stubborn is stubborn. :)

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I really don't want Notre Dame as a full member either, but I think it will eventually happen.

I feel it may be inevitable for you too Terry, but I don't think Irish fans will burn Greensboro to the ground.....or I hope not. Tradition is hard to break but realignment has destroyed tradition, what good is football without Nebraska and Oklahoma or basketball without Gtown/Cuse, Mizzou/Kansas? Frankly some Dame haters already consider your independence over, I mean what independent institution has a conference schedule games for them? Hey lets not get off topic, we all hate the B1G!

(06-01-2013 10:58 AM)westmc9th Wrote:  I feel it may be inevitable for you too Terry, but I don't think Irish fans will burn Greensboro to the ground.....or I hope not. Tradition is hard to break but realignment has destroyed tradition, what good is football without Nebraska and Oklahoma or basketball without Gtown/Cuse, Mizzou/Kansas? Frankly some Dame haters already consider your independence over, I mean what independent institution has a conference schedule games for them? Hey lets not get off topic, we all hate the B1G!

Well, if they were truly and absolutely right, they would just declare victory and go home. It would not be a topic to them.

If true, we would not be really talking about it here, either.

I know Terry you are independent, but some haters just look for ways to bash on ND and their tradition, don't take it as me bashing you, I like the partnership that came about!

All I know is that until Gee's remarks, I was supporting UConn over Cincy as #16 should ND ever decide they want all in as #15.

Now I think it should be Cincy just to stick it to the BiG.

Matter of fact, why wait. Add Cincy and UConn both and then if ND wants to be #17 get Navy for #18 football only and Georgetown for everything else.



Okay, I'm going to settle down now.


Neil

If I thought taking Cincinnati would seriously impact Ohio State recruiting I'd say let's do it NOW. But I don't agree on UConn - I'd rather have Temple (to go after NJ recruiting)

UConn? Haven't we had this conversation before?

(06-01-2013 10:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I really don't want Notre Dame as a full member either, but I think it will eventually happen.

The current arrangement works for me...I actually don't want ND as a Full Member now either...if it does happen oh well...

(06-01-2013 12:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If I thought taking Cincinnati would seriously impact Ohio State recruiting I'd say let's do it NOW. But I don't agree on UConn - I'd rather have Temple (to go after NJ recruiting)

Can we all agree to stop saying Temple and UConn? If we ignore them, maybe they will go away...or better yet, maybe the B1G will take them.

(06-01-2013 11:45 AM)omniorange Wrote:  All I know is that until Gee's remarks, I was supporting UConn over Cincy as #16 should ND ever decide they want all in as #15.

Now I think it should be Cincy just to stick it to the BiG.

Matter of fact, why wait. Add Cincy and UConn both and then if ND wants to be #17 get Navy for #18 football only and Georgetown for everything else.



Okay, I'm going to settle down now.


Neil

I said that previously.Navy, Army and Georgetown , too.

18 schools in each sport. Go big or go home.

F the Big Ten.

(06-01-2013 02:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 11:45 AM)omniorange Wrote:  All I know is that until Gee's remarks, I was supporting UConn over Cincy as #16 should ND ever decide they want all in as #15.

Now I think it should be Cincy just to stick it to the BiG.

Matter of fact, why wait. Add Cincy and UConn both and then if ND wants to be #17 get Navy for #18 football only and Georgetown for everything else.



Okay, I'm going to settle down now.


Neil

I said that previously.Navy, Army and Georgetown , too.

18 schools in each sport. Go big or go home.

F the Big Ten.

Sorry, in the omniverse Army never gets in and Navy only gets in if ND decides to join full-time.

Until then, UConn and Cincy for all sports and Georgetown for all sports but football.

16 in football, 18 in basketball.

Basketball tourney now too big to be held in one spot so split between Greensboro and MSG. Have no idea how that works out. I'm sure there are scheduling geniuses here that could put forth a decent proposal.

Oh, and F the BiG!!!

Cheers,
Neil

Notre Dame is in Indiana, a team in Ohio (Cincinnati), West Virginia and Navy (Maryland) connects all the dots! UConn strengths basketball! Hell of basketball conference:

UConn
Syracuse
Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Notre Dame
Louisville
North Carolina
Duke

(06-01-2013 01:54 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 10:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I really don't want Notre Dame as a full member either, but I think it will eventually happen.

The current arrangement works for me...I actually don't want ND as a Full Member now either...if it does happen oh well...

I would never say I didn't want ND in for football, since, winning or losing, they're still the most prestigious "brand" in college sports. But I don't think it will ever happen, and I would hate to see ACC fans succumb to one of the old Big East's most frustrating maladies. I hope the 5-game arrangement can prevent this malady from becoming too acute, since I consider it a major bonus for most ACC programs. I know it'll be huge for the Cards.

ND has stated that they'll stay independent, and I think everybody accepts that, barring one of two things happening:

1. ND can't get an independent TV contract
2. ND can't gain access to a playoff system
   

Regarding #1: We just saw them renew their TV contract, so that's secure.

Regarding #2: With the current competitive climate among the P5 conferences, nobody wants anybody to gain more of an upper hand than they already have. With Notre Dame as the biggest wild card out there, and with the knowledge that, if Notre Dame were forced into a conference, it would be the ACC, the others will do all in their power to ensure that ND can get into the playoffs as an indy, rather than give the ACC a windfall.

(06-01-2013 03:19 PM)Cardinals Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 01:54 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 10:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I really don't want Notre Dame as a full member either, but I think it will eventually happen.

The current arrangement works for me...I actually don't want ND as a Full Member now either...if it does happen oh well...

I would never say I didn't want ND in for football, since, winning or losing, they're still the most prestigious "brand" in college sports. But I don't think it will ever happen, and I would hate to see ACC fans succumb to one of the old Big East's most frustrating maladies. I hope the 5-game arrangement can prevent this malady from becoming too acute, since I consider it a major bonus for most ACC programs. I know it'll be huge for the Cards.

ND has stated that they'll stay independent, and I think everybody accepts that, barring one of two things happening:

1. ND can't get an independent TV contract
2. ND can't gain access to a playoff system
   

Regarding #1: We just saw them renew their TV contract, so that's secure.

Regarding #2: With the current competitive climate among the P5 conferences, nobody wants anybody to gain more of an upper hand than they already have. With Notre Dame as the biggest wild card out there, and with the knowledge that, if Notre Dame were forced into a conference, it would be the ACC, the others will do all in their power to ensure that ND can get into the playoffs as an indy, rather than give the ACC a windfall.

Well said. It's taken me some time to come this conclusion, as Terry D can attest to, but I think I'm there now. But don't be surprised if I have an occasional relapse now and then.

It's why I hope that when things settle down over the next 5 years and assuming the ACC turns it around in football and knowing what the BiG's true intentions are, I wouldn't be against making a preemptive strike by getting Cincinnati and UConn in as 15 and 16 assuming both continue to show improvement under adverse circumstances.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-31-2013 04:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:19 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also poked fun at the ACC for considering, UCONN, CINCY, and Ville? Wow, he also mentioned how we were in a corner, sounds like the B1G was looking to destroy the ACC at the geographic heart of the conference. If we needed a new brand in MD we would have added Navy who is a national brand.

Big East fans, like myself, always thought it would come down to the Big East or the ACC to rule the northeast. At least until the ACC Armageddon Scenario came upon the scene.

The Big Ten talks a lot about being the midwestern conference, but it's becoming apparent they want to be top dog in the northeast and mid-atlantic as well.

Gee talked about a "T" strategy basically cutting the ACC in half by taking Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Duke, and Virginia.

I hope Swofford truly realizes the ACC is in a real fight now, for both identity and survival.

Cheers,
Neil

Fortunately we don't have to think about that for 13 more years thanks to the GoR. And I think we all new the B1G was after UVA and UNC.

(05-31-2013 05:26 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also states he believes if the ACC thing doesn't work Kansas and Mizzou are still real options

I think the Mizzou shipped has sailed. If a spot were to open up I think Mizzou would tell them to screw off.

(06-01-2013 04:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:39 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:19 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  He also poked fun at the ACC for considering, UCONN, CINCY, and Ville? Wow, he also mentioned how we were in a corner, sounds like the B1G was looking to destroy the ACC at the geographic heart of the conference. If we needed a new brand in MD we would have added Navy who is a national brand.

Big East fans, like myself, always thought it would come down to the Big East or the ACC to rule the northeast. At least until the ACC Armageddon Scenario came upon the scene.

The Big Ten talks a lot about being the midwestern conference, but it's becoming apparent they want to be top dog in the northeast and mid-atlantic as well.

Gee talked about a "T" strategy basically cutting the ACC in half by taking Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Duke, and Virginia.

I hope Swofford truly realizes the ACC is in a real fight now, for both identity and survival.

Cheers,
Neil

Fortunately we don't have to think about that for 13 more years thanks to the GoR. And I think we all new the B1G was after UVA and UNC.

I continue to be amazed by those that somehow believe a GOR is bullet-proof. Is it better than a simple exit fee? Yes. But I don't think it's such a sure iron-clad thing as many others do.

I think sometime over the next 5 years either Texas or Oklahoma or both will challenge it and we'll find out how legal proof it is then. And if it fails to be upheld in the courts, I hope the conference has improved itself significantly in terms of on the field results and in terms of TV monies. If not then things could get very problematic in 6-7 years time.

Cheers,
Neil