(06-25-2013 08:38 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:07 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So does this mean USM is taking ECU's place as the "Get us out, we're too good for you all" team of the league.

You took the words right out of my mouth. USM = ECU, part II.

When UL, UC & a far less deserving USF got picked over the best program in C-USA, USM, we weren't happy but carried on without too much complaint.
In the second & now third rounds of expansion, we were once again passed up for markets, forget prior accomplishments on the field or court.
Again, we didn't like it, but have soldiered on, & have tried to be good conference mates.
For a school that was once in the Metro, it's very frustrating for us though.
The new schools from lesser conferences surely expressed dissatisfaction while being members of the Sunbelt or WAC.
To have programs lecture us, who haven't played a down in the conference USM help found & has been a rock-solid cornerstone in C-USA is disingenuous.
Should some our posters pipe down on the subject? Yes, in my opinion.
C-USA has & will be a good all-around conference. Basketball will be very good overall & something to give the conference real credibility.
We're here, & we plan on continuing being one of the marquee programs of the conference.

(06-25-2013 08:43 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  I personally am not interested in a lateral move to the AAC, but the Big 12 would be nice. Our new president is an idiot....You would think a millionaire like Carlisle would have enough sense not to make those kind of statements in public. Makes you wonder.....

You either support individuals, or you support the program.

I love the examples being set by Carlisle and Scianna.

It's okay to be mad, but if you want the program to flourish, please continue to support it.

(06-25-2013 07:06 AM)southernmiss4ever Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 06:22 AM)paintedblue Wrote:  I will be the first to admit that I know little about the history of USM football. What I have read sounds great and glorious. To me it sounds like USM's President Carlisle was somewhat playing to the crowd, whilst they had checkbooks in hand, in order to generate some income. There's nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with trying to better the athletic position of the university which you lead, however it does seem like doing so in the press is not very wise. He probably could have said what he did to the fat cats in private, without stirring up rancor amongst USM's conference mates. He may not like the ambiance, nonetheless sh!tting where he eats will do nothing to improve it.

Carlisle owns a bunch of Wendy's and hotels and such. The field at USM is named after him.

Bennett is the Prez.

From a business standpoint I can understand his frustration. But... Southern Miss should be in the Western division, which I think will be the stronger division starting in 2014. His comments were not very smart. Publicly stating your anger and directing it at the future conference mates he needs to eat at his restaurants and stay in his hotels is not a smart move. The man can think and feel however he wants, but he should have kept some of his comments private. I think it would have been better for C-USA and Southern Miss.

Everyone wants the best for their program, but the Southern Miss isn't going to the Big 12 or the AAC any time soon. That is the reality of the situation. I believe this new C-USA can be something great, maybe ever better than the last version. We will see.

I normally have the utmost respect for USM, and was excited to share a conference with y'all, but if this diatribe is what I have to look forward to from USM supporters and fans, then good riddance, have fun in the AAC for the 2 years it survives.

Yeah...because one guy represents the views of an entire school and fanbase. Seems legit.

Just sit back, take a breath and enjoy this coming season....there will be some real surprises, as perception might just take a licking when wild cards show themselves.

I think the NT fans are the ones who need to sit back and take a breath.

Just for the record, I really like North Texas & the Florida programs....

(06-25-2013 09:45 AM)TTT Wrote:  I think the NT fans are the ones who need to sit back and take a breath.

Well, one of your major supporters acted like a spoiled child in the news and disparaged two schools, one of which is decently successful historically and great academically with a huge enrollment and surprisingly good attendance considering our recent performance.

This isn't the first I've read of USM fans/supporters feeling too good for CUSA (which I don't understand, you went 0-12.) That's why this thread is full of butthurt and angry NT fans.

(06-25-2013 08:38 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 08:07 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So does this mean USM is taking ECU's place as the "Get us out, we're too good for you all" team of the league.

You took the words right out of my mouth. USM = ECU, part II.

So, one article in a newspaper and a few posters are equal to what ECU did?
Better check that. USM owns ECU, but USM fans never got on their knees and begged like ECU did.

Southern Miss has been in C-USA for 18 years. I am disappointed that some (not all) of the current or new schools can't understand our frustration. Just as I have already mentioned, schools are going to try and say that beating us will legit their claim that we should be in C-USA, negating our tradition and what we have ALREADY accomplished. Truth is there are already posters on here saying "we will be success" and yet they haven't played a down in C-USA. We've been here for 18 years and seen great programs come through all the while when they get a chance to move on they forget about us. I don't think it is that we think "we are better than everyone else" but "we deserve to be moving elsewhere" because of our past success. We have had 18 consecutive winning seasons (besides last year) with 10-12 consecutive bowl appearances. And we did all this against old rivals like Louisville, South Florida, etc. I don't view it as necessarily bragging, it is just fact. I certainly hope success for other schools because I hate the SEC, Big 10, etc. but to say we should just be "content" does not do us service...but realistically it is currently our only choice at the moment.

SMTTT

(06-25-2013 09:55 AM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 09:45 AM)TTT Wrote:  I think the NT fans are the ones who need to sit back and take a breath.

Well, one of your major supporters acted like a spoiled child in the news and disparaged two schools, one of which is decently successful historically and great academically with a huge enrollment and surprisingly good attendance considering our recent performance.

This isn't the first I've read of USM fans/supporters feeling too good for CUSA (which I don't understand, you went 0-12.) That's why this thread is full of butthurt and angry NT fans.

When you have a history (since the current division of D1 into 1 and 1A or FCS and FBS) of having beaten the following:

Alabama (3 wins and a tie)
Auburn (2)
Ole Miss (5)(would have been more but those 5 were 5 of 8 and they
refused to renew)
Miss. State (9)(they refused to renew too)
Illinois (2)
Virginia (2)
VaTech (2)
Florida State (2)
Oklahoma State (2)
LSU, Georgia, Pitt, Kansas, Nebraska, NC State and have beaten the teams that moved up to BCS AQ (or the now Power 5) and the AAC more times than we lost (except for Cinncinatti where there was a 1 game difference) which is a far better history and tradition than any team in the new CUSA (except maybe Rice who won the SWC title a few times), its not difficult to see why USM feels the way that it does.

By the way, there were also 2 wins over Alabama, and wins over Auburn, Georgia and NC State and Miss. State while USM was still in the "college division" which was the old name for DII when there were only 2 divisions and also 2 National Championships in that division.

You want the attitude to change....bring something to the table.

(06-25-2013 10:14 AM)SethManKA1 Wrote:  Southern Miss has been in C-USA for 18 years. I am disappointed that some (not all) of the current or new schools can't understand our frustration. Just as I have already mentioned, schools are going to try and say that beating us will legit their claim that we should be in C-USA, negating our tradition and what we have ALREADY accomplished. Truth is there are already posters on here saying "we will be success" and yet they haven't played a down in C-USA. We've been here for 18 years and seen great programs come through all the while when they get a chance to move on they forget about us. I don't think it is that we think "we are better than everyone else" but "we deserve to be moving elsewhere" because of our past success. We have had 18 consecutive winning seasons (besides last year) with 10-12 consecutive bowl appearances. And we did all this against old rivals like Louisville, South Florida, etc. I don't view it as necessarily bragging, it is just fact. I certainly hope success for other schools because I hate the SEC, Big 10, etc. but to say we should just be "content" does not do us service...but realistically it is currently our only choice at the moment.

SMTTT

I totally agree with you. However, wanting a better spot for your team shouldn't equate degrading other teams. Now saying you did this, but some did, and it sounds as arrogant as when some ECU fans did it.

(06-25-2013 10:16 AM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 09:55 AM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 09:45 AM)TTT Wrote:  I think the NT fans are the ones who need to sit back and take a breath.

Well, one of your major supporters acted like a spoiled child in the news and disparaged two schools, one of which is decently successful historically and great academically with a huge enrollment and surprisingly good attendance considering our recent performance.

This isn't the first I've read of USM fans/supporters feeling too good for CUSA (which I don't understand, you went 0-12.) That's why this thread is full of butthurt and angry NT fans.

When you have a history (since the current division of D1 into 1 and 1A or FCS and FBS) of having beaten the following:

Alabama (3 wins and a tie)
Auburn (2)
Ole Miss (5)(would have been more but those 5 were 5 of 8 and they
refused to renew)
Miss. State (9)(they refused to renew too)
Illinois (2)
Virginia (2)
VaTech (2)
Florida State (2)
Oklahoma State (2)
LSU, Georgia, Pitt, Kansas, Nebraska, NC State and have beaten the teams that moved up to BCS AQ (or the now Power 5) and the AAC more times than we lost (except for Cinncinatti where there was a 1 game difference) which is a far better history and tradition than any team in the new CUSA (except maybe Rice who won the SWC title a few times), its not difficult to see why USM feels the way that it does.

By the way, there were also 2 wins over Alabama, and wins over Auburn, Georgia and NC State and Miss. State while USM was still in the "college division" which was the old name for DII when there were only 2 divisions and also 2 National Championships in that division.

We also have an impressive number of wins over big name schools that I'm too lazy to search for. Plumm will probably show up and fill you in because it's pretty impressive as well. But, nice try.

You were left out due to your market and your 0-12 season. There's not some vendetta against USM. These new schools will come in and "bring something to the table." The Belt and WAC was a more difficult conference last year, in the first place. So we'll probably come in and fit right in.

(06-25-2013 01:32 AM)SethManKA1 Wrote:  I personally am glad that Carlisle and others are dreaming big. No we may never see that conference but thinking creatively is what has made teams like Boise State relevant and I think we should pursue after goals like there's. We did have a Summit conference meeting with their AD last year to try and establish goals after their model.

SMTTT

BOISE STATE? So your goals are to be the top dog in your G5 conference that none of the P5 conferences will touch with an invite? OK? I get that. But you can do that here. I think USM's booster is a day late and a dollar short. Realignment is over for a while, seemingly, and dreaming of the B12, is certainly a dream, but not likely to ever happen. Could you go to the AAC? Yes, and you would be right back where you started, with no discernible advantage to you.

USM has every potential to be the Boise State of C-USA, (and I've said many times that a USM at the top of our conference is the rising tide that lifts all C-USA boats. I really want you guys back to form asap) and the rest of us need to do our part and give them some real competition to help them, if that's what they aspire too. But I think you guys need to be realistic.

When you have a history (since the current division of D1 into 1 and 1A or FCS and FBS) of having beaten the following:

Alabama (3 wins and a tie)
Auburn (2)
Ole Miss (5)(would have been more but those 5 were 5 of 8 and they
refused to renew)
Miss. State (9)(they refused to renew too)
Illinois (2)
Virginia (2)
VaTech (2)
Florida State (2)
Oklahoma State (2)

That's an impressive list of wins over top opponents. Why set you sights on the lowly AAC or B12? You need to get in the ACC or SEC. You're that good.

I hate to say this but I think that if ECU hadn't been offered the AAC football-only position that most of the USM fans wouldn't be so upset about their current conference situation.

I'm not butthurt over the comments. The guy is a booster and made comments a booster would, especially to drum up support for donations and a cause. Hell, all us other programs would love to jump to a much better conference, USM is no different. If anything they've been sitting here for quite sometime waiting for their name to be called, and it hasn't. I can see why there are reasons why they haven't, but at the same time I can sympathize with their impatience too.

That ONE booster has sat and watched USF, Cincy, UCF, Louisville, TCU, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, Tulsa pass us over to a better conference.......(the majority of those teams we have OWNED, and have winning records over). Now do you understand why that booster feels the way he does?

And for cheesus' sake....the 0-12 had nothing to do w/ being left out. The bed was made a looooong time ago when market teams USF and Cincy were picked over USM back in the mid '00s. We could've went 12-0 last year and we'd still be left out.

Again, that one booster doesn't speak for everyone.......but he does speak for everyone when he says tv market/ratings have ruined CFB....which is the basis for his discontent.

Say what you want about USM as a program (even if it is short-sighted due to last year) but do not compare USM to ECU. ECU has more fans but that is it. We own them. They did not get in to the AAC because they were more successful on the field/court. I am upset as a USM fan b/c nothing about conference realignment has to do with success on the field/court. I remember driving home from work when I heard on the radio that Cincy, USF and whoever else had been picked to go to the Big East over USM and I just about crapped myself...that's when I realized we are in trouble and may never get out of this conference. The anger turned to disgust, from disgust to apathy, from apathy to acceptance. Then the AAC happend and Tulane got an invite...certainly I was waiting for the apocalypse soon after...it never occured...now I live in a bizarro world that I could have never guessed...I mean, I used to read discussions on here about the merit of TCU and Louisville's programs vs USM and now..well...Lord just take me soon...please.