(08-26-2013 07:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 07:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

At least you get FSU this year. Could be worse. We host Duke this year, so it will be 12 years before we get to see any appreciable amount of visiting fans from the Coastal other than GT.

You'll get to see me next year.

and 11 other UNC fans

We'll all be stuck down in the lower corner in section T.

I really think this 10+ year rotation plan and some cross overs will be reevaluated and revised within 5 years. I'm not sure the divisions will change, that will have already happened this offseason, to go in place next year. The snake method of that rotation plan doesn't really work, like ChrisLords said the fact that UL and VTech don't play twice within a 10+ run. If we went to the 9 game conference schedule we could get in all 6 division games plus 3 other division games every year, that would allow us to get in home and homes with the other division 7 much quicker. Then Notre Dame would just take 1 of our 3 OOC games during those 2 years of our rotation.

I think with the new playoffs and possibly new Division 4 in play, the OOC games will be more and more big time made for tv games and mostly other D4/P5 games.....probably leaving 1 game to an inner state lower tier like WKU or other.

(08-26-2013 09:11 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  After the Big Ten decided to go to 14 there were 2 things I considered the highest priority, 1. divisions with no locked crossovers, 2. 9 conference games. We mostly got it, although I feel bad for Indiana/Purdue (whom need a locked crossover to play each other). I still think the conference messed up by not doing inner/outer. It would have been negatively received at the time, but would have been far more balanced geographically, population wise, and name brand wise, and required zero locked crossovers. That said, they mostly met what I was hoping for.

I get the reasons against 9 conference games in the ACC. I also get the difficulty of setting things up to minimize locked crossovers. Eventually though, I bet the conference will decide on one or the other. Either the divisions have to be redone so that a minimum number of crossover are necessary or 9 conference games are adopted. I'd bet on the divisions, although still think it's a ways off.

This. I was with you 100%.

The ACC definitely needs to minimize the locked crossovers and ideally go with more geographically based divisions.

The only locked crossovers in this format I think should exist are:
FSU-Miami
Clemson-GT
Pitt-Cuse
and maybe UNC-NC State

That being said you'd be better off with a North and South Divsions like these:
North - BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, UVA, Virginia Tech, Miami
South - UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, GT, Clemson, FSU

Then give Miami and FSU a permanent crossover and maybe UNC-UVA. Let the rest rotate so you see each other more often. I'm sure ACC fans could come up with a better version of this, but its just a rough idea of how I'd reorganize things.

9 conference games. No permanent crossovers.

I would agree to any alignment the ACC can come up with if it means the cessation of the crying of so many grown men.

Oh, I'm just kidding.

As for the N/S split, I don't have any problem with it personally but I actually think it's a bad idea for now but probably a good idea down the road.

First of all, such an alignment would serve as a major F-U to Virginia. They would be put in a division with all former BE teams with their only real rival being Virginia Tech. That is not fair to the Cavs, IMHO and that is far worse for them than anything happening to any individual school right now.

Also, as we have all seen in the whole ACC tournament issue and where it should be played every year, I think all of the newcomers need to acclimate to the ACC culture and existing members need to understand their new partners as well. And when I say new partners I mean going back to 2003 as well as the teams coming into the league this year and next. That is a lot of change over a decade's time and the current divisional alignment allows everyone to amalgamate better than would an immediate N/S split would.

It has long been said that the B12's biggest problem was that the Texas schools and the old Big 8 schools just never gelled culturally and some blame that league's N/S divisional alignment on that fact. I'm not sure if that's true or not but I do know that it had to be at least part of the reason for that league's lack of cohesion and I think the ACC is wise to avoid a similar calamity.

Now, in 2027, assuming the league is still in place as it is currently constructed, then I think it may be a good idea to go to a more geographic split. However, not now, not in this climate and under these conditions.

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

Yeah, but we already knew that... the divisions don't really matter to me but I see the arguments on both sides. Just don't know how you make everyone happy?

(08-27-2013 09:50 AM)7fielder Wrote:  Just don't know how you make everyone happy?

I recommend this gets back to worthy discussion or GTECH Swagger delete the whole thread.

The North/South split could work, but it always puts Miami in the North, for rival reasons and to get the North into Florida every year if not every other....but how does Miami feel about playing in the North? Has that ever come up by Swofford or other official members to comment on?

If louisville sustains this level and miami doesn't get sanction crushed, I could see them flipping ville and ga tech someday?

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

Not necessarily. If you didn't notice, that schedule doesn't have you play every school once every 6 years. Some you face in 5 years time, others 6, and some every 7 years. It's truly a terrible schedule. And the order will likely be switched up again once this schedule runs its course in 2024.

(08-26-2013 08:13 PM)gpburdell Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

After 2015; GT won't get FSU again in Atlanta till 2029. That's just plain stupid... We're the closest ACC school to them (270 miles) and it would be a sellout at both stadiums.

Geographic realignment needs to happen sooner than later.

VT fans were saying for months GT doesn't care about FSU. They were adamant. Oops. That's even despite an article I linked on the board stating that FSU, Clemson and GT fans had a great desire to face each other every year.

(08-27-2013 10:19 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 07:15 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 08:13 PM)gpburdell Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

After 2015; GT won't get FSU again in Atlanta till 2029. That's just plain stupid... We're the closest ACC school to them (270 miles) and it would be a sellout at both stadiums.

Geographic realignment needs to happen sooner than later.

Damn right it does. Only a few VT fans on here don't realize how stupid these divisions are. That is because they have their ideal division and don't need to complain.

This is why I got tickets to the Pitt game. Game is 2.5 hours from me and we will hardly ever play them.

Then again 4 x4 argued against GT/FSU saying they only played 9 times before FSU joined the ACC. All while loving VT/GT who played 1 whopping time before VT joined the ACC 13 years after FSU did.

And it makes a ton of sense for FSU/GT to be played twice in 12 years with a 10 year gap while FSU gets partial member ND at least once every 3 seasons (if not more). Right....

If you are going to whine and b*tch you can leave me out of it.

I haven't said **** to you. **** yourself.

It has to be a 9 game schedule so you play every team in the other division every 3 years.

I think BC and Louisville to the Coastal and Pitt and GT to the Atlantic.

(08-27-2013 02:02 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

Not necessarily. If you didn't notice, that schedule doesn't have you play every school once every 6 years. Some you face in 5 years time, others 6, and some every 7 years. It's truly a terrible schedule. And the order will likely be switched up again once this schedule runs its course in 2024.

I'll break it down for you since you were too busy whining to figure it out:

This is FSU's schedule

Away games
2013 2015 2017
@ Pitt @GT @Duke

Home games
2014 2016 2018
UVA UNC VT

When you get to the end of the first cycle you've played everyone once. Pitt would come back up in 2019 but you played VT at home in 2018 and you are due to play Pitt at home next. So the way you avoid two years on the road or two years at home is by switching the order of the ones that were away with the ones that were home. This is why UVA leads off the next six year segment.

So you end up with
Away games
2019 2021 2023
@UVA @UNC @VT

Home games
2020 2022 2024
Pitt GT Duke

After you end with Duke at home in 2024 then you have completed a home/home with everyone. Now you start back at the beginning with @Pitt.
Away games
2025 2027 2029
@ Pitt @GT @Duke

Home games
2026 2028 2030
UVA UNC VT

Away games
2031 2033 2035
@UVA @UNC @VT

Home games
2032 2034 2036
Pitt GT Duke

So it will be 2025 when FSU travels to Pitt again unless they change the rotation after the first complete rotation.

(08-26-2013 07:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

At least you get FSU this year. Could be worse. We host Duke this year, so it will be 12 years before we get to see any appreciable amount of visiting fans from the Coastal other than GT.

You'll get to see me next year.

Didn't we see you last year?

A 9 game schedule would get FSU something like this:

2013 UVA @Pitt
2014 UNC @GT
2015 VT @Duke
2016 Pitt @UVA
2017 GT @UNC
2018 Duke @VT

If you do a 9 game schedule and eliminate permanent crossovers, over a sever year cycle, you can play every team in your division 7 times, and every cross division team 3 times, which is just under once every other year. Here is how each schedule would look Using my own school as an example:

east west
Louisville UVA
Clemson GTech
FSU Miami
BC VT
NCSU UNC
Cuse Pitt
WFU Duke

Year__Division___________________ Cross Division_____
1- Clemson, FSU, BC, NCSU, Cuse, WFU, UVA, GTech, Miami
2 - Clemson, FSU, BC, NCSU, Cuse, WFU, VT, UNC, Pitt
3 - Clemson, FSU, BC, NCSU, Cuse, WFU, Duke, UVA, GTech
4 - Clemson, FSU, BC, NCSU, Cuse, WFU, Miami, VT, UNC
5 -Clemson, FSU, BC, NCSU, Cuse, WFU, Pitt, Duke, UVA
6 - Clemson, FSU, BC, NCSU, Cuse, WFU, GTech, Miami, VT
7 - Clemson, FSU, BC, NCSU, Cuse, WFU, UNC, Pitt, Duke

Opponent times:
Clemson 7
Florida State 7
Boston College 7
Maryland 7
North Carolina State 7
Syracuse 7
Wake Forest 7
Virginia 3
Georgia Tech 3
Miami 3
Virginia Tech 3
North Carolina 3
Pittsburgh 3
Duke 3


Not saying this should be done, because both nine games AND eliminating crossovers is a big deal, but this is what it would look like.

(08-27-2013 03:26 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 07:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

At least you get FSU this year. Could be worse. We host Duke this year, so it will be 12 years before we get to see any appreciable amount of visiting fans from the Coastal other than GT.

You'll get to see me next year.

Didn't we see you last year?

I didn't make the trip to Louisville last year, but I did see the pass interference on the last play when the Louisville defender ripped the helmet off of the Carolina receiver in the end zone.......and nothing was called.
Oh! Well......we'll get you next time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtSeYc23JqI

(08-27-2013 03:40 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  If you do a 9 game schedule and eliminate permanent crossovers

You lost me right there.

No way, no how is Clemson going to be willing to having only 1 free OOC game a year AND losing GT every single year.

(08-26-2013 05:18 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Damn... We won't see FSU at home again until 2027...

jeez I'm sorry for posting that... Looks like I created a sh*tstorm. smh