(11-26-2013 02:59 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 02:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 02:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I need to see more credible info before I believe ND is dismissing the Wake game next year.

They only have 6 non-ACC games scheduled for 2015 (Tex, Pur, USC, Navy, Umass, and Stan), so if they did have to drop a team in 2014, it could be moved back a year. And since Wake was on the schedule for 2015, they could just be doing that too, and it would make the most sense of any move.

I would not take it as being too big of a deal at this point.

If they push it to 2015, then no biggie. If it gets dropped altogether that's another story.

^This^

Sometimes changing conference affliations doesn't work out perfectly with long lead times on contracts. Not too worry about it...this isn't the Big East.

(11-26-2013 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  When the ACC sold out to take ND's worthless sports ND agreed to play five ACC games a year in football. Next year they are backing out of the Wake game. That means Wake will not play ND in the first three years of the rotation like every ACC team is supposed to do unless ND plays six games vs the ACC in '15 or '16. That's crawfishing, and that's typical Notre Dame.

Worthless Sports?

Notre Dame has a strong lineup of sports teams...stronger than Clemson

2013 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 9th Clemson 52nd
2012 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 17th Clemson 54th
2011 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 18th Clemson 47th

But let's not let a good rant against Notre Dame pass.

(11-26-2013 04:42 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  When the ACC sold out to take ND's worthless sports ND agreed to play five ACC games a year in football. Next year they are backing out of the Wake game. That means Wake will not play ND in the first three years of the rotation like every ACC team is supposed to do unless ND plays six games vs the ACC in '15 or '16. That's crawfishing, and that's typical Notre Dame.

Worthless Sports?

Notre Dame has a strong lineup of sports teams...stronger than Clemson

2013 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 9th Clemson 52nd
2012 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 17th Clemson 54th
2011 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 18th Clemson 47th

But let's not let a good rant against Notre Dame pass.

How much money do these "outstanding" sports bring to the ACC coffers?

None, thus they are worthless.

(11-26-2013 04:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 04:42 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  When the ACC sold out to take ND's worthless sports ND agreed to play five ACC games a year in football. Next year they are backing out of the Wake game. That means Wake will not play ND in the first three years of the rotation like every ACC team is supposed to do unless ND plays six games vs the ACC in '15 or '16. That's crawfishing, and that's typical Notre Dame.

Worthless Sports?

Notre Dame has a strong lineup of sports teams...stronger than Clemson

2013 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 9th Clemson 52nd
2012 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 17th Clemson 54th
2011 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 18th Clemson 47th

But let's not let a good rant against Notre Dame pass.

How much money do these "outstanding" sports bring to the ACC coffers?

None, thus they are worthless.

ND basketball is pretty dogon good. It will bring the conference some dough

(11-26-2013 01:04 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  How is that beign a parasite? They get one game every other year that they move to a neutral site game, and it comes out of THEIR home games. I.e. they are moving their own home game. Or are you complaining just to complain?

Such a parasite to move their home game to a place that may actually allow more visiting fans to visit (they still control the tix). Oh the horror. Shame them for moving the game closer to Louisville and moving it to prime time. They should be punished.

The sky is blue, water is wet, etc....

Of course he is.

(11-26-2013 04:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 04:42 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  When the ACC sold out to take ND's worthless sports ND agreed to play five ACC games a year in football. Next year they are backing out of the Wake game. That means Wake will not play ND in the first three years of the rotation like every ACC team is supposed to do unless ND plays six games vs the ACC in '15 or '16. That's crawfishing, and that's typical Notre Dame.

Worthless Sports?

Notre Dame has a strong lineup of sports teams...stronger than Clemson

2013 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 9th Clemson 52nd
2012 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 17th Clemson 54th
2011 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 18th Clemson 47th

But let's not let a good rant against Notre Dame pass.

How much money do these "outstanding" sports bring to the ACC coffers?

None, thus they are worthless.

In the case of the ACC our Hoops probably brought at least 25% of the value of the contract...also all these worthless sports will fill hours in a future ACC Network. The "parasite's" away games will bring the ACC some extra each year. The leech also helped strengthen up the bowl lineup which brought more $$$.

If it's a Notre Dame home game being dropped, it might suck a little for Wake Forest fans, but the administration probably actually loves it. They'll still get Notre Dame at home in the next cycle and in the meantime, they can schedule a home game (or use up a road game for another home and home), which ultimately means Wake Forest makes more money on the deal.

Put another way, the ACC does not directly profit from any of its road games against Notre Dame. The direct value to the ACC is the 2/3 road games Notre Dame is playing every year. Sure, you'd rather be playing the Irish away than a lot of other programs, but if any program is offered a) a home and home with the Irish or b) a home game with the Irish without a return trip (or other compensation), I think all 14 ADs would take the latter.

(11-26-2013 08:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 04:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 04:42 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  When the ACC sold out to take ND's worthless sports ND agreed to play five ACC games a year in football. Next year they are backing out of the Wake game. That means Wake will not play ND in the first three years of the rotation like every ACC team is supposed to do unless ND plays six games vs the ACC in '15 or '16. That's crawfishing, and that's typical Notre Dame.

Worthless Sports?

Notre Dame has a strong lineup of sports teams...stronger than Clemson

2013 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 9th Clemson 52nd
2012 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 17th Clemson 54th
2011 Final Director's Cup Standings ND 18th Clemson 47th

But let's not let a good rant against Notre Dame pass.

How much money do these "outstanding" sports bring to the ACC coffers?

None, thus they are worthless.

In the case of the ACC our Hoops probably brought at least 25% of the value of the contract...also all these worthless sports will fill hours in a future ACC Network. The "parasite's" away games will bring the ACC some extra each year. The leech also helped strengthen up the bowl lineup which brought more $$$.

Take a look at how the ACC Digital Network is handling the Irish. They have covered them at times, like in the preseason, as they would a full football member. This is the thing I think a lot of people are overlooking as far as the possible future ACC Network...that network is going to have ND as a major selling a point....a school that at one time was considering its own cable network like Texas.

The ACC will potentially get a lot of benefits with being associated with ND football even without actually splitting the take with ND for football revenue. Certainly, ND hoops is going to bring NCAA units in from both men's and women's tournaments. The Notre Dame name brings cache in any sport. Why else would NBCSports sign their hockey team to an exclusive deal. ND's membership only benefits the ACC contract. There's almost no downside.

ACC is NOT managed like NASCAR football which is the SEC. Its managed more like the Big 10.

In regards to the ND package, the conference is allocated five games a year on ND schedule. ACC
will schedule for the first 3 years and then re-sync again. It wil also deal with maximizing TV packets. The first three years ensures all members get to play ND. THen, it starts again. The CONFERENCE is the broker, who schedules between the acc and ND.

Someone help me out... 2 questions:

1) are we saying that Notre Dame wants to play 4 ACC teams in 2014 and 6 in 2015 (presumably because they can't get out of any of their previously-scheduled 2014 games)?

2) how confident are we that this rumor is true at all? I haven't seen it from any reputable source yet. Where are you guys seeing this?

(11-27-2013 01:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Someone help me out... 2 questions:

1) are we saying that Notre Dame wants to play 4 ACC teams in 2014 and 6 in 2015 (presumably because they can't get out of any of their previously-scheduled 2014 games)?

2) how confident are we that this rumor is true at all? I haven't seen it from any reputable source yet. Where are you guys seeing this?

I posted it because the guy it came from is pretty trusted. Now it may turn out to be false but I assume it may be in the works.

they are acc members now, and if they can't work it out in 2015, then If they can work 6 in 2016, whats the problem????

Folks have to give it up. ND is a member of the ACC now, except for football. the conference will work out the details of the scheduling arrangement for football. the ACC represents all the members unilaterally; the last team that is finding that out now is MD who is losing 50 million plus as a charge due leaving the acc (the membership agreed to the 50 million dollar fee even though md did not vote for it.). Once you are in a consortium its all one voice.

(11-27-2013 01:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Someone help me out... 2 questions:

1) are we saying that Notre Dame wants to play 4 ACC teams in 2014 and 6 in 2015 (presumably because they can't get out of any of their previously-scheduled 2014 games)?

2) how confident are we that this rumor is true at all? I haven't seen it from any reputable source yet. Where are you guys seeing this?

I wouldn't put it past our administration to weasel out of the game so we can schedule an automatic win in an effort to avoid our 6th losing season in a row.

(11-28-2013 03:15 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  I wouldn't put it past our administration to weasel out of the game so we can schedule an automatic win in an effort to avoid our 6th losing season in a row.

ND does have a problem with Purdue. Purdue has it's panties in a wad so to speak, and there are some ACC folks that are predisposed to not crap all over Purdue at this time. Gee - who might that be, and why?

The ACC office is trying to work around it.

As for the "rotation" it's set as it is, you just have to do the math for it. NC State will play at ND in 2019 and go back to South Bend in 2022.

There is more to this than meets the eye and players not seeming directly associated with this issue that are associated and you can go to Future College Football schedules and divine the other party. You might also want to determine who Purdue's ACC analog would be - and to give you a hint, you need not look outside North Carolina.

Now as you rotate 14 teams through 15 games, that can slowly shift for the 15 team, but the ACC promised the most consideration to ND/Pitt.

It might seem that Wake is "taking one for the team" and being screwed, but they are not.

I call it what it is....ND crawfishing on the deal they agreed to. They knew going in that they had to get rid of some games to make it fit and they agreed to it. They have known for over a year they owed the ACC five dates in 2014 and that they were responsible for either rescheduling or buying out these games.

The supposed big payoff for this one sided deal with the parasites was the exposure. Even if the game was a ND home game it was going to get the conference and the team national exposure. Now at this late date Wake is going to have to scramble to find an opponent which in all likelihood means either a FCS or dog meat FBS opponent. Exactly how much exposure is Wake and the conference going to get with an ESPN3 special at noon?

Since ND is failing to fulfill their obligations to the football side of the conference then the conference shouldn't be forced to fulfill theirs. Let ND find their own bowl next year, and any other year they fail to meet their obligations.

We sell out for SC State and The Citadel. We don't need the parasites to fill our stadium like the rest of you do, and we seem to be able to get plenty of national attention without trying to hang on the filthy coattails of ND.

We don't know for that ND isn't fulfilling their obligations. Let's wait and get something concrete before passing judgement.

(11-28-2013 10:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I call it what it is....ND crawfishing on the deal they agreed to. They knew going in that they had to get rid of some games to make it fit and they agreed to it. They have known for over a year they owed the ACC five dates in 2014 and that they were responsible for either rescheduling or buying out these games.

The supposed big payoff for this one sided deal with the parasites was the exposure. Even if the game was a ND home game it was going to get the conference and the team national exposure. Now at this late date Wake is going to have to scramble to find an opponent which in all likelihood means either a FCS or dog meat FBS opponent. Exactly how much exposure is Wake and the conference going to get with an ESPN3 special at noon?

Since ND is failing to fulfill their obligations to the football side of the conference then the conference shouldn't be forced to fulfill theirs. Let ND find their own bowl next year, and any other year they fail to meet their obligations.

We sell out for SC State and The Citadel. We don't need the parasites to fill our stadium like the rest of you do, and we seem to be able to get plenty of national attention without trying to hang on the filthy coattails of ND.

(11-28-2013 10:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  We don't know for that ND isn't fulfilling their obligations. Let's wait and get something concrete before passing judgement.

Why do that and ruin a good rant without any real information?

Happy Thanksgiving.

(11-28-2013 11:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 10:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I call it what it is....ND crawfishing on the deal they agreed to. They knew going in that they had to get rid of some games to make it fit and they agreed to it. They have known for over a year they owed the ACC five dates in 2014 and that they were responsible for either rescheduling or buying out these games.

The supposed big payoff for this one sided deal with the parasites was the exposure. Even if the game was a ND home game it was going to get the conference and the team national exposure. Now at this late date Wake is going to have to scramble to find an opponent which in all likelihood means either a FCS or dog meat FBS opponent. Exactly how much exposure is Wake and the conference going to get with an ESPN3 special at noon?

Since ND is failing to fulfill their obligations to the football side of the conference then the conference shouldn't be forced to fulfill theirs. Let ND find their own bowl next year, and any other year they fail to meet their obligations.

We sell out for SC State and The Citadel. We don't need the parasites to fill our stadium like the rest of you do, and we seem to be able to get plenty of national attention without trying to hang on the filthy coattails of ND.

(11-28-2013 10:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  We don't know for that ND isn't fulfilling their obligations. Let's wait and get something concrete before passing judgement.

Why do that and ruin a good rant without any real information?

Happy Thanksgiving.

There is a difference in not passing judgement, and saying that if ND does not honor all of their obligation, then the ACC should not honor theirs. That is basically just enforcing the contract that was signed.

OOC scheduling contracts are broken all of the time. When the original 9-game conference schedule was passed for the ACC, Clemson had to break OOC agreements with multiple teams. ND could break theirs in the blink of an eye. If they do not, then they absolutely should be frozen out of the bowls for that year.

If bowl participation is withheld just once, then I would bet there would never be a scheduling conflict in the future.

(11-26-2013 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  When the ACC sold out to take ND's worthless sports ND agreed to play five ACC games a year in football. Next year they are backing out of the Wake game. That means Wake will not play ND in the first three years of the rotation like every ACC team is supposed to do unless ND plays six games vs the ACC in '15 or '16. That's crawfishing, and that's typical Notre Dame.

(11-29-2013 08:15 AM)irish red homebrew Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 11:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 10:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I call it what it is....ND crawfishing on the deal they agreed to. They knew going in that they had to get rid of some games to make it fit and they agreed to it. They have known for over a year they owed the ACC five dates in 2014 and that they were responsible for either rescheduling or buying out these games.

The supposed big payoff for this one sided deal with the parasites was the exposure. Even if the game was a ND home game it was going to get the conference and the team national exposure. Now at this late date Wake is going to have to scramble to find an opponent which in all likelihood means either a FCS or dog meat FBS opponent. Exactly how much exposure is Wake and the conference going to get with an ESPN3 special at noon?

Since ND is failing to fulfill their obligations to the football side of the conference then the conference shouldn't be forced to fulfill theirs. Let ND find their own bowl next year, and any other year they fail to meet their obligations.

We sell out for SC State and The Citadel. We don't need the parasites to fill our stadium like the rest of you do, and we seem to be able to get plenty of national attention without trying to hang on the filthy coattails of ND.

(11-28-2013 10:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  We don't know for that ND isn't fulfilling their obligations. Let's wait and get something concrete before passing judgement.

Why do that and ruin a good rant without any real information?

Happy Thanksgiving.

There is a difference in not passing judgement, and saying that if ND does not honor all of their obligation, then the ACC should not honor theirs. That is basically just enforcing the contract that was signed.

OOC scheduling contracts are broken all of the time. When the original 9-game conference schedule was passed for the ACC, Clemson had to break OOC agreements with multiple teams. ND could break theirs in the blink of an eye. If they do not, then they absolutely should be frozen out of the bowls for that year.

If bowl participation is withheld just once, then I would bet there would never be a scheduling conflict in the future.

Cool, do it if that occurs. That would be fine with me and no big deal.

Until then, stop bitching about something that has not happened and may not happen.

(11-29-2013 09:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  When the ACC sold out to take ND's worthless sports ND agreed to play five ACC games a year in football. Next year they are backing out of the Wake game. That means Wake will not play ND in the first three years of the rotation like every ACC team is supposed to do unless ND plays six games vs the ACC in '15 or '16. That's crawfishing, and that's typical Notre Dame.

(11-29-2013 08:15 AM)irish red homebrew Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 11:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 10:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I call it what it is....ND crawfishing on the deal they agreed to. They knew going in that they had to get rid of some games to make it fit and they agreed to it. They have known for over a year they owed the ACC five dates in 2014 and that they were responsible for either rescheduling or buying out these games.

The supposed big payoff for this one sided deal with the parasites was the exposure. Even if the game was a ND home game it was going to get the conference and the team national exposure. Now at this late date Wake is going to have to scramble to find an opponent which in all likelihood means either a FCS or dog meat FBS opponent. Exactly how much exposure is Wake and the conference going to get with an ESPN3 special at noon?

Since ND is failing to fulfill their obligations to the football side of the conference then the conference shouldn't be forced to fulfill theirs. Let ND find their own bowl next year, and any other year they fail to meet their obligations.

We sell out for SC State and The Citadel. We don't need the parasites to fill our stadium like the rest of you do, and we seem to be able to get plenty of national attention without trying to hang on the filthy coattails of ND.

(11-28-2013 10:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  We don't know for that ND isn't fulfilling their obligations. Let's wait and get something concrete before passing judgement.

Why do that and ruin a good rant without any real information?

Happy Thanksgiving.

There is a difference in not passing judgement, and saying that if ND does not honor all of their obligation, then the ACC should not honor theirs. That is basically just enforcing the contract that was signed.

OOC scheduling contracts are broken all of the time. When the original 9-game conference schedule was passed for the ACC, Clemson had to break OOC agreements with multiple teams. ND could break theirs in the blink of an eye. If they do not, then they absolutely should be frozen out of the bowls for that year.

If bowl participation is withheld just once, then I would bet there would never be a scheduling conflict in the future.

Cool, do it if that occurs. That would be fine with me and no big deal.

Until then, stop bitching about something that has not happened and may not happen.

Interesting outlook on any thoughts contrary to your own. Bluntly, ND's history in the Big East is against them.