(12-16-2013 04:04 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 03:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Not to take anything away from UCF, but it seems that its rating is bolstered by playing teams like Louisville and South Carolina rather than getting those large ratings on its own. Those 2 teams accounted by far for the largest game ratings for UCF, which made up for its good average rating. I would not expect a team that was responsible for a 2.3 rating to then get a .03 rating, no matter who its opponent is. I do think the UCF/SMU rating of .09 is very respectable.

The games against Houston and SMU got a 0.3 and 0.9 not 0.03 and 0.09

The UCF-Houston game drew a 4.9 in the Orlando market IIRC, and it got good ratings in some of the other AAC markets. The problem was that it got poor ratings in Houston and aired at the same time as the Alabama-LSU game.

We certainly benefitted from having a good schedule, but we're not the only ones. Those Big 12 teams that had worse ratings than UCF benefitted from playing Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

My mistake about the ratings. But the point remains. I agree with you about some Big 12 teams getting good ratings from playing Texas/Oklahoma. The same in the Acc with FSU/Clemson/Miami, and the same with the BIG regarding Mich/OSU and Nebraska.

I think UCF's greatest advantage is its size, not its current viewership.

There is room for significant growth over the next ten years.

(12-16-2013 02:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  There is simply no way the Big 12 egos will ever allow the following announcement:

"Remember fans, catch all the Big 12 action as conference play continues next week with your Oklahoma Sooners taking on the Central Florida Knights here at Gaylord Memorial!"

Not like they just can't call themselves Orlando for athletics like Louisiana does.

(12-16-2013 03:30 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  It clearly has nothing to do with playing South Carolina on ABC, Louisville on Friday, and Rutgers on Thursday.

If you think Central Florida will draw better ratings than the schools you listed on a regular basis then you're wrong.

So let's see the Syracuse ratings when you take away every good team on the schedule. If UCF was in the Big 12 their rating would be no worse than West Virginia.

I think it's pretty obvious that when you play better teams more people want to watch.

(12-16-2013 04:11 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 02:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  There is simply no way the Big 12 egos will ever allow the following announcement:

"Remember fans, catch all the Big 12 action as conference play continues next week with your Oklahoma Sooners taking on the Central Florida Knights here at Gaylord Memorial!"

Not like they just can't call themselves Orlando for athletics like Louisiana does.

Because "Orlando" isnt any part of their name at all?

Sure, they'd probably be a little more marketable if they were "University of Orlando" but UCF people are acting like their size alone and a year of OK ratings should have every P5 league beating down their door when the truth is they have yet to prove they are worth having.

Call it the "Boise Problem" where if you take away football success, what are you REALLY left with as far as sports, academics and value to the conference?

(12-16-2013 04:18 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 03:30 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  It clearly has nothing to do with playing South Carolina on ABC, Louisville on Friday, and Rutgers on Thursday.

If you think Central Florida will draw better ratings than the schools you listed on a regular basis then you're wrong.

So let's see the Syracuse ratings when you take away every good team on the schedule. If UCF was in the Big 12 their rating would be no worse than West Virginia.

I think it's pretty obvious that when you play better teams more people want to watch.

Only if WVU is having a down season. When WVU is winning, their ratings are much better. If UCF and WVU are having similar seasons, WVU's numbers make UCF's look minuscule by comparison.

(12-16-2013 04:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 04:11 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 02:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  There is simply no way the Big 12 egos will ever allow the following announcement:

"Remember fans, catch all the Big 12 action as conference play continues next week with your Oklahoma Sooners taking on the Central Florida Knights here at Gaylord Memorial!"

Not like they just can't call themselves Orlando for athletics like Louisiana does.

Because "Orlando" isnt any part of their name at all?

Sure, they'd probably be a little more marketable if they were "University of Orlando" but UCF people are acting like their size alone and a year of OK ratings should have every P5 league beating down their door when the truth is they have yet to prove they are worth having.

Call it the "Boise Problem" where if you take away football success, what are you REALLY left with as far as sports, academics and value to the conference?

A decent university with solid programs in a big market with a growing alumni base. What's not to like?

Well thats sugar coating it a lot and ignoring that UCF would be tied with WVU for lowest ranked P5 school, doesnt make much noise in the other sports and is located in a market it doesn't actually deliver like most other urban schools.

The point is, they are not a slam dunk, must have add for the B12 or any other P5 conference.

In fact the only non P5 school that is a slam dunk, must have for the B12 is located in Provo UT.

(12-16-2013 04:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 04:11 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 02:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  There is simply no way the Big 12 egos will ever allow the following announcement:

"Remember fans, catch all the Big 12 action as conference play continues next week with your Oklahoma Sooners taking on the Central Florida Knights here at Gaylord Memorial!"

Not like they just can't call themselves Orlando for athletics like Louisiana does.

Because "Orlando" isnt any part of their name at all?

Sure, they'd probably be a little more marketable if they were "University of Orlando" but UCF people are acting like their size alone and a year of OK ratings should have every P5 league beating down their door when the truth is they have yet to prove they are worth having.

Call it the "Boise Problem" where if you take away football success, what are you REALLY left with as far as sports, academics and value to the conference?

Does not matter.

A school can use almost any nickname that it chooses to for athletics. I get it that you absolutely hate every G5 team but UCF is no Boise. Boise was a small school, in a small state, in a small town.

(12-16-2013 04:36 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Well thats sugar coating it a lot and ignoring that UCF would be tied with WVU for lowest ranked P5 school, doesnt make much noise in the other sports and is located in a market it doesn't actually deliver like most other urban schools.

The point is, they are not a slam dunk, must have add for the B12 or any other P5 conference.

In fact the only non P5 school that is a slam dunk, must have for the B12 is located in Provo UT.

Just painting with the same broad brush you are. But if you'll at least look at the facts, you'll see that UCF isn't a bad addition at all.

And no, BYU is not a slam-dunk, must-have school for ANY conference. There's a reason they're independent. If the XII wanted or needed BYU, they would already be a member.

(12-16-2013 04:36 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Well thats sugar coating it a lot and ignoring that UCF would be tied with WVU for lowest ranked P5 school, doesnt make much noise in the other sports and is located in a market it doesn't actually deliver like most other urban schools.

The point is, they are not a slam dunk, must have add for the B12 or any other P5 conference.

In fact the only non P5 school that is a slam dunk, must have for the B12 is located in Provo UT.

BYU had their chance and blew it. The B12 isn't going to bend over backward for the LDS church, which pretty much slams the door on BYU.

(12-16-2013 04:36 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The point is, they are not a slam dunk, must have add for the B12 or any other P5 conference.

Agreed, there really aren't any slam drunks left.

But if the BIG12 want to get to a conference championship game (if thats something they think they need), 2 teams are going to be picked.

(12-16-2013 04:46 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 04:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 04:11 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 02:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  There is simply no way the Big 12 egos will ever allow the following announcement:

"Remember fans, catch all the Big 12 action as conference play continues next week with your Oklahoma Sooners taking on the Central Florida Knights here at Gaylord Memorial!"

Not like they just can't call themselves Orlando for athletics like Louisiana does.

Because "Orlando" isnt any part of their name at all?

Sure, they'd probably be a little more marketable if they were "University of Orlando" but UCF people are acting like their size alone and a year of OK ratings should have every P5 league beating down their door when the truth is they have yet to prove they are worth having.

Call it the "Boise Problem" where if you take away football success, what are you REALLY left with as far as sports, academics and value to the conference?

Does not matter.

A school can use almost any nickname that it chooses to for athletics. I get it that you absolutely hate every G5 team but UCF is no Boise. Boise was a small school, in a small state, in a small town.

Its not a matter of hate.

I live in Dallas, a city swarming with fans of almost all the southern teams and is the heart of the B12 fandom.

Nobody here is talking UCF as a viable expansion candidate.

(12-16-2013 04:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 04:11 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 02:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  There is simply no way the Big 12 egos will ever allow the following announcement:

"Remember fans, catch all the Big 12 action as conference play continues next week with your Oklahoma Sooners taking on the Central Florida Knights here at Gaylord Memorial!"

Not like they just can't call themselves Orlando for athletics like Louisiana does.

Because "Orlando" isnt any part of their name at all?

Sure, they'd probably be a little more marketable if they were "University of Orlando" but UCF people are acting like their size alone and a year of OK ratings should have every P5 league beating down their door when the truth is they have yet to prove they are worth having.

Call it the "Boise Problem" where if you take away football success, what are you REALLY left with as far as sports, academics and value to the conference?

Well, you're talking about the second largest university in the country located in a top 20 media with no professional football team to compete against. You're talking solid academics that continue to improve (not going to get into a debate over academics, but tied with WVU according to USNWR). You're talking nearly new facilities (football stadium and basketball arena both opened in '07) and a commitment by the administration to compete at the highest level. That's a start to what you're REALLY left with...

Good for you.

Maybe one day, but like I said, nobody here in B12 country is seriously talking about UCF as an expansion candidate.

But hey, bring a ton of fans to the Fiesta Bowl, upset Baylor and maybe they will. Right now though, Cincy gets more positive talk as a candidate than UCF does.

(12-16-2013 01:44 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  Here's the final TV ratings for UCF football during the 2013 season.

Note: This does not include non-national coverage ( Big east game of the week) or the B10 network.

South Carolina @ UCF - Saturday 12:00pm - ABC - 2.2 rating, 3.20 million viewers

UCF @ Louisville - Friday 8:00pm - ESPN - 1.5 rating, 2.22 million viewers

Houston @ UCF - Saturday 7:00pm - ESPN2 - 0.3 rating, 431,000 viewers.

Rutgers @ UCF - Thursday 7:30pm - ESPN - 0.7 rating, 972,000 viewers.

S.Florida @ UCF - Black Friday...Second Part of game shown on ESPN (9:08pm) - 0.8 rating, 1.22 million viewers.

UCF @ SMU - Saturday 12:00pm - ESPN - 0.9 rating, 1.44 million viewers.

Average network TV rating of the year = 1.066

Average network TV viewers of the year = 1,580,500 viewers.

This puts UCF as a top 40 viewed footbal team. #1 in the American Athletic. #1 of non "P5" schools.

No doubt UCF has the lead here but its not by that much when you really look at the numbers.

The numbers of a single game vs a ranked SEC team, without another game on ABC at noon being mirrored and no other nationally televised SEC game being played at that time kinda skew the numbers. Without that game UCF has a 5 game average or 1.25mil playing Louisville, Rutgers, Houston, USF and SMU.

NIU did a 1.06 mil 5 game average playing Purdue, Ball St, Toledo, BGSU and WMU.

0.4 501K 12:00 PM NIU Purdue ESPN2
0.7 1.04M 8:00 PM Ball State NIU ESPN2
0.7 1.05M 8:00 PM NIU Toledo ESPN2
0.6 881K 7:00 PM W. Michigan NIU ESPN2
1.2 1.87M 8:00 PM Bowling Green NIU ESPN2
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

So really you are talking about lead of 188k viewership average difference between NIU vs 4 MAC & 1 bad B1G team and UCF vs 5 AAC teams. I would say its safe to say that the casual football fan had an impact since they are more likely to turn on an AAC game than a MAC game regardless of who is playing.

(12-16-2013 05:33 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 01:44 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  Here's the final TV ratings for UCF football during the 2013 season.

Note: This does not include non-national coverage ( Big east game of the week) or the B10 network.

South Carolina @ UCF - Saturday 12:00pm - ABC - 2.2 rating, 3.20 million viewers

UCF @ Louisville - Friday 8:00pm - ESPN - 1.5 rating, 2.22 million viewers

Houston @ UCF - Saturday 7:00pm - ESPN2 - 0.3 rating, 431,000 viewers.

Rutgers @ UCF - Thursday 7:30pm - ESPN - 0.7 rating, 972,000 viewers.

S.Florida @ UCF - Black Friday...Second Part of game shown on ESPN (9:08pm) - 0.8 rating, 1.22 million viewers.

UCF @ SMU - Saturday 12:00pm - ESPN - 0.9 rating, 1.44 million viewers.

Average network TV rating of the year = 1.066

Average network TV viewers of the year = 1,580,500 viewers.

This puts UCF as a top 40 viewed footbal team. #1 in the American Athletic. #1 of non "P5" schools.

No doubt UCF has the lead here but its not by that much when you really look at the numbers.

The numbers of a single game vs a ranked SEC team, without another game on ABC at noon being mirrored and no other nationally televised SEC game being played at that time kinda skew the numbers. Without that game UCF has a 5 game average or 1.25mil playing Louisville, Rutgers, Houston, USF and SMU.

NIU did a 1.06 mil 5 game average playing Purdue, Ball St, Toledo, BGSU and WMU.

0.4 501K 12:00 PM NIU Purdue ESPN2
0.7 1.04M 8:00 PM Ball State NIU ESPN2
0.7 1.05M 8:00 PM NIU Toledo ESPN2
0.6 881K 7:00 PM W. Michigan NIU ESPN2
1.2 1.87M 8:00 PM Bowling Green NIU ESPN2
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

So really you are talking about lead of 188k viewership average difference between NIU vs 4 MAC & 1 bad B1G team and UCF vs 5 AAC teams. I would say its safe to say that the casual football fan had an impact since they are more likely to turn on an AAC game than a MAC game regardless of who is playing.

Wait...you want to throw out the one game UCF had little competition---but you want to include all the NIU games where they had zero competition? Yeah, the numbers generated via that exercise are useless.

(12-16-2013 05:21 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Good for you.

Maybe one day, but like I said, nobody here in B12 country is seriously talking about UCF as an expansion candidate.

But hey, bring a ton of fans to the Fiesta Bowl, upset Baylor and maybe they will. Right now though, Cincy gets more positive talk as a candidate than UCF does.

Cool, I honestly don't think that the B12 will expand anytime soon so the point may be moot. That being said, you're "word on the street" means less than nothing in terms of conference realignment. These decisions are made by university presidents, conference commisioners, and TV execs looking at numbers, not fans opinions. How much were the B10 fans enamored with the prospect of landing Rutgers before the decision was made? Realignment talk in fun, but we are all armchair quaterbacks serving our own agendas.

double post

I think the Big 12 should wait a while for UCF. Why rush to take them? The Big Ten won't add them. The SEC won't add them. It would take a miracle of having Florida State and Miami leaving the ACC to have them consider UCF. And if that were to happen, the Big 12 would probably lose UCF anyway if they were already in the conference.

Give UCF some time to grow and convert some of that potential into results and see what happens. Who knows what else could happen while you wait.