They might take down the portraits but they will still teach how Jackson turned the flank at Chancellorsville. They still teach the armor tactics of Rommel and Guderian. Often our enemies had better Generals.

Most (not all) of my family lived and fought on the Northern side of the Civil War conflict. With that said, both Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jackson were graduates of West Point and fought for the United States in Foreign Conflicts. Both have many examples of excellent Generalship during the Civil War and are arguably two of the greatest generals in the history of the United States.

The Civil War was much more the result of political hotheads refusing to compromise than it was anyone in the military wanting to go to war. Almost half the people of the United States were forced to make a choice between country and state (and states held much more authority in those days). The vast majority chose state, as it encompassed most all family, most friends, etc., I do not fault them for their decision.

Both should remain at the war college, 1862 was a long time ago and those wounds have healed. What do you think the founders would have done presented similar circumstances?

(12-20-2013 12:52 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Most (not all) of my family lived and fought on the Northern side of the Civil War conflict. With that said, both Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jackson were graduates of West Point and fought for the United States in Foreign Conflicts. Both have many examples of excellent Generalship during the Civil War and are arguably two of the greatest generals in the history of the United States.

The Civil War was much more the result of political hotheads refusing to compromise than it was anyone in the military wanting to go to war. Almost half the people of the United States were forced to make a choice between country and state (and states held much more authority in those days). The vast majority chose state, as it encompassed most all family, most friends, etc., I do not fault them for their decision.

Both should remain at the war college, 1862 was a long time ago and those wounds have healed. What do you think the founders would have done presented similar circumstances?

+2. Great post.

Had Jackson been alive, Gettysburg would have been a totally different Battle. The Army of the Potomic would have been likely cut off from Washington leaving Lincoln in a pickle both militarily and politically.

With Lee marching on Washington Lincoln would have surrendered.

(12-20-2013 09:22 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are places where portraits of generals like Lee and Jackson are appropriate, but the US Army War College isn't one of them. Many US soldiers died because of those men.

You're the epitome of what's wrong with people today, and douchebags.

(12-20-2013 10:29 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 10:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 09:52 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 09:22 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are places where portraits of generals like Lee and Jackson are appropriate, but the US Army War College isn't one of them. Many US soldiers died because of those men.

And many soldiers lived because of those men. Remember, Lee was soldier in US wars BEFORE the War Between the States.

So you're saying because they served the USA before deciding to take up arms against the USA that we Army War College should give them a place of honor? Military men like Lee and Jackson had a choice of whether to stay with the United States or fight against the United States. They chose the side trying to tear the country apart. Fortunately they lost.

Were they not US citizens after the war? Of course, not the ones that died during the war. Remember, Lincoln never recognized the south as a seperate nation. Using that logic, all of the southern generals were and always have been United States citizens.

All that would make them is insurrectionists. They were important figures in US history, but don't deserve a place of honor among US Army generals. There are places that honor them - just take a trip to Lexington, Virginia - but they certainly earned themselves a controversial status when they chose to fight against our country.

You don't get it. This country doesn't belong to you. You're a terrorist trying to rip it apart with the rest of the obamanites. Just like it is now, Southerners and many other want nothing to do with what the U/S has become. Lincoln was butthurt over the seceding and brought war among us. You need to stop reading faux history, you're an embarrassment. If you were near me right now, I'd punch your f*cking neck for your retarded thoughts.

(12-20-2013 12:52 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Most (not all) of my family lived and fought on the Northern side of the Civil War conflict. With that said, both Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jackson were graduates of West Point and fought for the United States in Foreign Conflicts. Both have many examples of excellent Generalship during the Civil War and are arguably two of the greatest generals in the history of the United States.

The Civil War was much more the result of political hotheads refusing to compromise than it was anyone in the military wanting to go to war. Almost half the people of the United States were forced to make a choice between country and state (and states held much more authority in those days). The vast majority chose state, as it encompassed most all family, most friends, etc., I do not fault them for their decision.

Both should remain at the war college, 1862 was a long time ago and those wounds have healed. What do you think the founders would have done presented similar circumstances?

According to revisionists and retards, it was all about slavery and racism.

(12-20-2013 01:30 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 10:29 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 10:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 09:52 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:  And many soldiers lived because of those men. Remember, Lee was soldier in US wars BEFORE the War Between the States.

So you're saying because they served the USA before deciding to take up arms against the USA that we Army War College should give them a place of honor? Military men like Lee and Jackson had a choice of whether to stay with the United States or fight against the United States. They chose the side trying to tear the country apart. Fortunately they lost.

Were they not US citizens after the war? Of course, not the ones that died during the war. Remember, Lincoln never recognized the south as a seperate nation. Using that logic, all of the southern generals were and always have been United States citizens.

All that would make them is insurrectionists. They were important figures in US history, but don't deserve a place of honor among US Army generals. There are places that honor them - just take a trip to Lexington, Virginia - but they certainly earned themselves a controversial status when they chose to fight against our country.

You don't get it. This country doesn't belong to you. You're a terrorist trying to rip it apart with the rest of the obamanites. Just like it is now, Southerners and many other want nothing to do with what the U/S has become. Lincoln was butthurt over the seceding and brought war among us. You need to stop reading faux history, you're an embarrassment. If you were near me right now, I'd punch your f*cking neck for your retarded thoughts.

Technically Lee and such were Americans.

Keep em up, take em down.

They were traitors, but were accepted back after the war. We've also turned our backs on people for doing a lot less than fighting against us.

(12-20-2013 01:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 12:52 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Most (not all) of my family lived and fought on the Northern side of the Civil War conflict. With that said, both Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jackson were graduates of West Point and fought for the United States in Foreign Conflicts. Both have many examples of excellent Generalship during the Civil War and are arguably two of the greatest generals in the history of the United States.

The Civil War was much more the result of political hotheads refusing to compromise than it was anyone in the military wanting to go to war. Almost half the people of the United States were forced to make a choice between country and state (and states held much more authority in those days). The vast majority chose state, as it encompassed most all family, most friends, etc., I do not fault them for their decision.

Both should remain at the war college, 1862 was a long time ago and those wounds have healed. What do you think the founders would have done presented similar circumstances?

According to revisionists and retards, it was all about slavery and racism.

It wasn't ALL about slavery and racism - in fact most people in the North would also have been labeled as racist by today's standards - many even by the standards of the time. Slavery was most certainly a factor, as for many in the South, the bulk of their wealth was tied up in the ownership of slaves. Very few people give up the bulk of their wealth without a fight. While there were other factors leading to the Civil War - the feeling of self determination being a strong one - slavery was definitely part of the mix.

Traitor is in no way an accurate term for them.

(12-20-2013 09:22 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are places where portraits of generals like Lee and Jackson are appropriate, but the US Army War College isn't one of them. Many US soldiers died because of those men.

This will continue until the radical left has erased every trace. I will be very easy considering there will always be someone to say: "this isn't an appropriate place."

Eventually there won't be an appropriate place to display our history. Their goal.

(12-20-2013 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 09:22 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  There are places where portraits of generals like Lee and Jackson are appropriate, but the US Army War College isn't one of them. Many US soldiers died because of those men.

And many soldiers lived because of those men. Remember, Lee was soldier in US wars BEFORE the War Between the States.

AGreed.. I mean come on guys, they may have fought for the Confederacy, but they were both US soldiers. Hell both of them were considered Military heroes during the Mexican-American war

(12-20-2013 01:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  According to revisionists and retards, it was all about slavery and racism.

And Alexander Stephens.

(12-22-2013 06:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Traitor is in no way an accurate term for them.

What's the term?

Looks like it was a non-story...

From Carlisle

Quote:Here is what happened: a few weeks ago, while relocating his office to a new floor in our main school building over the weekend, one of my leaders looked outside his new office location and simply decided to change the look of the hallway. He took down, off the wall, a number of framed Civil War prints that depicted Confederate States of America forces in action against Union forces or depicted famous Confederate leaders. He did this on his own. There was no directive to “remove all traces of the CSA.” Since this is a public hallway with seminar rooms and offices, the sudden new look drew attention the following week. And since there was no public explanation of my leader’s action, some of my folks jumped to conclusions, even to the point of sending anonymous notes to local media. We have since attempted to clarify the action within our own ranks.

(12-22-2013 07:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 06:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Traitor is in no way an accurate term for them.

What's the term?

General.

(12-22-2013 04:12 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 01:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 12:52 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Most (not all) of my family lived and fought on the Northern side of the Civil War conflict. With that said, both Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jackson were graduates of West Point and fought for the United States in Foreign Conflicts. Both have many examples of excellent Generalship during the Civil War and are arguably two of the greatest generals in the history of the United States.

The Civil War was much more the result of political hotheads refusing to compromise than it was anyone in the military wanting to go to war. Almost half the people of the United States were forced to make a choice between country and state (and states held much more authority in those days). The vast majority chose state, as it encompassed most all family, most friends, etc., I do not fault them for their decision.

Both should remain at the war college, 1862 was a long time ago and those wounds have healed. What do you think the founders would have done presented similar circumstances?

According to revisionists and retards, it was all about slavery and racism.

It wasn't ALL about slavery and racism - in fact most people in the North would also have been labeled as racist by today's standards - many even by the standards of the time. Slavery was most certainly a factor, as for many in the South, the bulk of their wealth was tied up in the ownership of slaves. Very few people give up the bulk of their wealth without a fight. While there were other factors leading to the Civil War - the feeling of self determination being a strong one - slavery was definitely part of the mix.

Many in the south did not own slaves. Few in the south owned slaves. Many did not own slaves.

(12-22-2013 09:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 07:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 06:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Traitor is in no way an accurate term for them.

What's the term?

General.

Like General Arnold.