(01-08-2014 12:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: Now all we need is for Mack Brown to return to UNC.
Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
On pure potential...no reason why they shouldn't be a Top 20 program
You know what potential means don't you? It means you have never really accomplished anything and looked good doing it. It's also something you can say about at least 50 FBS teams both P5 and G5.
It means UNC made a few bad coaching hires. Don't act like Clemson hasn't had a few of those.
(01-08-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
On pure potential...no reason why they shouldn't be a Top 20 program
You know what potential means don't you? It means you have never really accomplished anything and looked good doing it. It's also something you can say about at least 50 FBS teams both P5 and G5.
It means UNC made a few bad coaching hires. Don't act like Clemson hasn't had a few of those.
Sure we have.
What we haven't done is completely and thoroughly gone in the tank because of it. UNC had more losing seasons since losing Mack than we have had in 30 years.
(01-08-2014 01:03 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
On pure potential...no reason why they shouldn't be a Top 20 program
You know what potential means don't you? It means you have never really accomplished anything and looked good doing it. It's also something you can say about at least 50 FBS teams both P5 and G5.
It means UNC made a few bad coaching hires. Don't act like Clemson hasn't had a few of those.
Sure we have.
What we haven't done is completely and thoroughly gone in the tank because of it. UNC had more losing seasons since losing Mack than we have had in 30 years.
So what? UNC isn't considered a football school like Clemson. That's like me going back to you and criticizing your basketball program because you're not at our level. Newsflash..you're not supposed to be at our level in basketball. We're not supposed to be at your level in football. However, we are much better at football than you are at basketball. With the right coach, we may even catch you in football.
(01-08-2014 12:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: Now all we need is for Mack Brown to return to UNC.
Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
You didn't know about Fisher after years one or two. He lost games to inferior teams even as recent as last year. That alone called into question what he was really made of. Well he made up for it this year in a big way.
As for UNC, the sky is the limit and everyone knows it. With the right coach, UNC can win just as much as the programs named. It's been done before.
I did not say FSU knew Fisher would win a national title. I said FSU knew they had a good coach. And they did. I even broadly mentioned the things you brought up. You can argue what you wish, but you're wrong.
LMAO at UNC!
(01-08-2014 02:48 PM)Maize Wrote:
(01-08-2014 01:03 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:
(01-08-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:
(01-08-2014 12:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: Now all we need is for Mack Brown to return to UNC.
Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
On pure potential...no reason why they shouldn't be a Top 20 program
(01-07-2014 11:54 PM)7thHeaven Wrote: I'm hearing the D-Coordinator will be Randy Shannon
Honestly, they would be smart to do something to keep the South Florida relationships going...that's why I thought Butch Davis made sense.
The other upside to Petrino, even though it's a bit too cynical to be said publicly, is that you might have kind of the unique opportunity to hire a possibly top-10 caliber coach, but one that will not be moving on to greener pastures. That very baggage works to Louisville's advantage, as Petrino has already burned his bridges in the NFL and is probably a little too tainted for a top 10 program.
Narduzzi or Morris might be hotter right now, but for a program like Louisville in football, to get a quality coach AND a possible lifer has a lot of benefits.
Louisville football is kind of the same status as FSU basketball (with more support obviously). Not that Leonard Hamilton had Petrino type baggage, but he'd failed in the NBA and had pretty much aged out of being a real candidate for a top-ten program. But he's a hell of a coach, and while the build was slow and frustrating, the stability has paid off. You can try to be the 2nd tier program that hits on one up and comer after another and have them for 3-4 years before they move on, but eventually your luck is going to run out.
I'd still hire a Narduzzi or Morris or anyone else if I thought they gave a better chance to win, but if I honestly thought Petrino's prospects were at least even, that would be the tie-breaker for me.
I don't think Hamilton was too old. He was 53 when hired by FSU. Petrino's also a higher caliber coach than Hamilton is/was.
No way do I touch Narduzzi or Morris if I'm a respectable BCS school when there are candidates out there that have actually won as a head coach before.
Doesn't change the point...at all. It doesn't look like you disagree with the main idea.
There are a lot of advantages to a Tier 2 program going with a likely "last stop" candidate over a three and done candidate. With a hotshot up and comer, the BEST case scenario is that you are replacing him again in a few years, and you have to hit the lottery again. That's not easy as the Petrino-Kragthorpe-Strong transition has shown.
If you have a guy that has shown he can win, AND has a high likelihood of being a last stop, that should be very attractive to a program.
I wasn't arguing any point. I just didn't agree with everything you said.
UL Football > FSU Basketball
Petrino > Hamilton
Petrino's age = Hamilton's age
(01-08-2014 02:53 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: Congrats UL. Not my first choice but y'all are happy and my opinion doesn't mean squat. Sounds like he'll have a good staff as well.
(01-08-2014 12:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: Now all we need is for Mack Brown to return to UNC.
Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
You didn't know about Fisher after years one or two. He lost games to inferior teams even as recent as last year. That alone called into question what he was really made of. Well he made up for it this year in a big way.
As for UNC, the sky is the limit and everyone knows it. With the right coach, UNC can win just as much as the programs named. It's been done before.
I did not say FSU knew Fisher would win a national title. I said FSU knew they had a good coach. And they did. I even broadly mentioned the things you brought up. You can argue what you wish, but you're wrong.
LMAO at UNC!
(01-08-2014 02:48 PM)Maize Wrote:
(01-08-2014 01:03 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:
(01-08-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:
(01-08-2014 12:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: Now all we need is for Mack Brown to return to UNC.
Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
On pure potential...no reason why they shouldn't be a Top 20 program
(01-08-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
You didn't know about Fisher after years one or two. He lost games to inferior teams even as recent as last year. That alone called into question what he was really made of. Well he made up for it this year in a big way.
As for UNC, the sky is the limit and everyone knows it. With the right coach, UNC can win just as much as the programs named. It's been done before.
I did not say FSU knew Fisher would win a national title. I said FSU knew they had a good coach. And they did. I even broadly mentioned the things you brought up. You can argue what you wish, but you're wrong.
LMAO at UNC!
(01-08-2014 02:48 PM)Maize Wrote:
(01-08-2014 01:03 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:
(01-08-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
On pure potential...no reason why they shouldn't be a Top 20 program
LMAO at UNC!
LMAO at Marge!
What a terrible person you are, laughing at a deceased, old, rich, racist lady.
Interesting choice for coach.
Even though this is like his 5th chance, he does run a clean program. There were never NCAA violations.
The stuff that he does chasing money is something that other coaches do (i.e.- Nick Saban), the problem is that Bobby Petrino can learn a lot about playing the system from Nick Saban.
The good thing is that he has burned so many bridges that he will not get hired by the NFL or for that matter SEC teams and more conservative schools (i.e. Notre Dame).
I don't think he can really change when it comes to chasing co-eds but hopefully he can be a bit more discreet this time. Perhaps someone can teach him how to be more discreet with his mistresses.
I think he is a good coach. It might hurt recruiting a bit but if he can be successful then he will be able to offset this with a winning record.
(01-08-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
You didn't know about Fisher after years one or two. He lost games to inferior teams even as recent as last year. That alone called into question what he was really made of. Well he made up for it this year in a big way.
As for UNC, the sky is the limit and everyone knows it. With the right coach, UNC can win just as much as the programs named. It's been done before.
I did not say FSU knew Fisher would win a national title. I said FSU knew they had a good coach. And they did. I even broadly mentioned the things you brought up. You can argue what you wish, but you're wrong.
LMAO at UNC!
(01-08-2014 02:48 PM)Maize Wrote:
(01-08-2014 01:03 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:
(01-08-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
On pure potential...no reason why they shouldn't be a Top 20 program
LMAO at UNC!
LMAO at Marge!
Hey, at least you didn't keep trying to argue that FSU didn't know Fisher was good. And at least you didn't embarrass yourself trying to convince me why UNC belongs in a grouping with schools that are actually good at football.
Is it just me, or is Petrino doing things different this time? I mean, he must've let WKU know he was talking to UL - that's why they've been interviewing his replacement this week. Yesterday he informed his WKU coaching staff he is going to UL - before, he would just call them from his new office. IDK, maybe I'm just hoping he has changed...
(01-09-2014 03:30 AM)Marge Schott Wrote: Hey, at least you didn't keep trying to argue that FSU didn't know Fisher was good. And at least you didn't embarrass yourself trying to convince me why UNC belongs in a grouping with schools that are actually good at football.
Nah. Some people aren't worth arguing with especially when they are just arguing for arguing's sake. Not worth my time, but just so I don't leave you hanging too much:
"But you know, and most reasonable college football fans know, that he hasn't been that happy there. They haven't been all that happy with him until recently. I think he remembers the awkward transition after Bobby [Bowden]. I think he remembers the president and athletic director down there in not a hurry to give him a raise and an extension a couple of years ago."
Granted, this is one man's opinion, but when they lost to NC State last year and at home to Florida.....there were rumblings. That is a fact.
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2014 06:55 AM by jaminandjachin.)
(01-09-2014 01:36 AM)CardFANATIC Wrote: John L Smith possibly will be the Special Teams coach according to Demling.
That would be awesome. It'd be like having the whole family back together again. John L. is a real character and can be counted on to shake things up in the media. I loved that about him. Hope he really comes back.
(01-08-2014 12:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: Now all we need is for Mack Brown to return to UNC.
Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
Possibly because they have had three good recruiting years in the last four (#16 in 2011, #21 in 2012 and #22 in 2014 classes).
(01-08-2014 12:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: Now all we need is for Mack Brown to return to UNC.
Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
Possibly because they have had three good recruiting years in the last four (#16 in 2011, #21 in 2012 and #22 in 2014 classes).
North Carolina out recruited Clemson for much of the 2000's yet it didn't translate into being better on the field, even with rampant cheating and academic fraud keeping athletes eligible.
(01-08-2014 12:25 PM)ChrisLords Wrote: Now all we need is for Mack Brown to return to UNC.
Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
Possibly because they have had three good recruiting years in the last four (#16 in 2011, #21 in 2012 and #22 in 2014 classes).
North Carolina out recruited Clemson for much of the 2000's yet it didn't translate into being better on the field, even with rampant cheating and academic fraud keeping athletes eligible.
(01-08-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: Nah. I'm interested to see what Fedora can do in the next couple of years. Jimbo started coaching at FSU and won the national title in 4 years. I'm not saying Fedora will do that but by year 4, you should have a good idea.
To be honest, we had a good idea in Fisher's first year that he was a good coach. He completely overhauled the "infrastructure" of the program and took a team that went 7-6 three times in the previous 4 years to 10-4 (6-2) and a spot in the ACC CG. However, through his first 3 years, many fans weren't sure he was the guy. It looked as if he might be like Richt and UGA - always near the top but never at the top.
(01-08-2014 10:21 AM)Maize Wrote: I am loving the future of the ACC Football with the Defending National Champion, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC and Louisville...
Not sure why UNC is listed with the other schools.
Possibly because they have had three good recruiting years in the last four (#16 in 2011, #21 in 2012 and #22 in 2014 classes).
North Carolina out recruited Clemson for much of the 2000's yet it didn't translate into being better on the field, even with rampant cheating and academic fraud keeping athletes eligible.
That would be because of coaching.
Yet we are supposed to believe UNC is going to make a turn for the better with a coach who has a losing record to UAB.
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