(01-13-2014 09:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Our home conference slate is a big steaming pile this year.

Louisville, NC State, UNC, & Syracuse

So who would you rather play...????

Florida St. cannot kick your butt at your house EVERY YEAR!! Are you fake complaining because it's not an "$ec" schedule..?
FLossY out...

(01-13-2014 04:43 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 09:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Our home conference slate is a big steaming pile this year.

Louisville, NC State, UNC, & Syracuse

So who would you rather play...????

Florida St. cannot kick your butt at your house EVERY YEAR!! Are you fake complaining because it's not an "$ec" schedule..?
FLossY out...

Yeah I guess it's fake complaining when the conference home slate consists of two teams coming off 7-6 seasons, one coming off a 3-9 season, and a the second best team in a neutered AAC that loses it's NFL caliber QB. I mean, who would not be stoked about a powerhouse lineup like that?

(01-13-2014 05:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:43 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 09:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Our home conference slate is a big steaming pile this year.

Louisville, NC State, UNC, & Syracuse

So who would you rather play...????

Florida St. cannot kick your butt at your house EVERY YEAR!! Are you fake complaining because it's not an "$ec" schedule..?
FLossY out...

Yeah I guess it's fake complaining when the conference home slate consists of two teams coming off 7-6 seasons, one coming off a 3-9 season, and a the second best team in a neutered AAC that loses it's NFL caliber QB. I mean, who would not be stoked about a powerhouse lineup like that?

Clemson lost its NFL caliber QB, too. I actually think Louisville will be better than Clemson next year. UNC will be one of the favorites in the Coastal. Syracuse will likely be improved. Not sure how NC State will do next season. I think they may have one more sub-par year.

(01-13-2014 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 09:47 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 09:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Our home conference slate is a big steaming pile this year.

Louisville, NC State, UNC, & Syracuse

How so? You guys like playing us.

Judging by the attendance the past few times you have been here, not really.

Judging by the number of people wearing baby blue that show up y'all care less.

Quote:State game is the Textile Bowl.

So? Much like the textile industry in America that might have meant something in the 1980's (when it was created, so it's not like it's a historic trophy like the Old Brown Jug or Paul Bunyan's Axe) but not so much now.

Quote: How can you not get excited about Petrino coming to town?

It'll be semi-interesting.

Now you're just making up stuff.

We played there in 2011...attendance was 80,519. Third highest total behind Auburn and FSU.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/worksheet.jsp?y...111022.xml

Quote:Attendance: 79000

And I was there. There is no way in hell there were 79k there as the corners of both upper decks were empty and as usual the visiting section was thin.

Our home slate that year was Troy, Wofford, Auburn, FSU, BC, UNC, and Wake. You were third by default, as I would hope that a school as large as UNC would outdraw a Sun Belt school, a SoCon school, a tiny private school from NC, and a private school from New England.

Oh so you found another site that said 79k instead of 80k that's such a big difference. For someone who roots for a school that's supposed to be up and coming, you complain way too much. I sincerely doubt you are in the majority for Clemson fans not wanting to play us.

OK ...... about Clemson's 2014 conference home slate - I have to agree to some degree with Kaplony but not necessarily with the way he described it. I personally will be mildly to moderately interested in all four of those games - Louisville and Syracuse mostly because it will be their first times at Clemson. I will most definitely be atending all of those games if for no other reason then to cheer for Clemson. However, whether we win or lose a game has nothing to do with my interest level in a game. Shoot, if winning was the only thing of interest, we should just schedule SOCON teams. Someone asked earlier in this thread if Kaplony wanted to play an SEC schedule - well purely from an interest standpoint, the answer for me is hell yes. I would love to have a home schedule of Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee even though we could very well lose every game - but damn if I wouldn't be stoked about playing that schedule. Again, the fact that I am not overly excited to play UL, SU, UNC, and NCSU doesn't mean that I think these are bad schools, bad programs, or that they can't or won't beat Clemson. And no offense is meant - it simply means that playing these schools does not create the same buzz for me as other schools do. I can imagine that getting to play Clemson at home in basketball doesn't do much to excite the UNC crowd (compared to a Duke or Syracuse) nor will it likely do much to excite the SU and UL crowds. The fact that these schools are not excited about playing Clemson in basketball does not bother me at all and I completely understand why those schools fans would/should feel that way.

Who wouldn't be excited? Maybe someone like USC or Stanford, but that's beside the point. You can't have FSU, Oregon, Miami, VT, Texas, and the Ville at home every year.

(01-13-2014 07:23 PM)IR4CU Wrote:  OK ...... about Clemson's 2014 conference home slate - I have to agree to some degree with Kaplony but not necessarily with the way he described it. I personally will be mildly to moderately interested in all four of those games - Louisville and Syracuse mostly because it will be their first times at Clemson. I will most definitely be atending all of those games if for no other reason then to cheer for Clemson. However, whether we win or lose a game has nothing to do with my interest level in a game. Shoot, if winning was the only thing of interest, we should just schedule SOCON teams. Someone asked earlier in this thread if Kaplony wanted to play an SEC schedule - well purely from an interest standpoint, the answer for me is hell yes. I would love to have a home schedule of Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee even though we could very well lose every game - but damn if I wouldn't be stoked about playing that schedule. Again, the fact that I am not overly excited to play UL, SU, UNC, and NCSU doesn't mean that I think these are bad schools, bad programs, or that they can't or won't beat Clemson. And no offense is meant - it simply means that playing these schools does not create the same buzz for me as other schools do. I can imagine that getting to play Clemson at home in basketball doesn't do much to excite the UNC crowd (compared to a Duke or Syracuse) nor will it likely do much to excite the SU and UL crowds. The fact that these schools are not excited about playing Clemson in basketball does not bother me at all and I completely understand why those schools fans would/should feel that way.

Personally, I like to play Clemson at home in basketball because you've never won in Chapel Hill. The streak alone generates interest.

As for football, everyone wants to play the SEC. They are the top dog and you just want to see how you match up. However, Clemson is just 3 years into this "big time" program stretch. Before 2010, you guys hadn't won 10 games in a season since 1990. I'm willing to bet when UNC and NC State were competitive, the pre-2010 Clemson fan was excited.

(01-13-2014 07:02 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 09:47 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  How so? You guys like playing us.

Judging by the attendance the past few times you have been here, not really.

Judging by the number of people wearing baby blue that show up y'all care less.

Quote:State game is the Textile Bowl.

So? Much like the textile industry in America that might have meant something in the 1980's (when it was created, so it's not like it's a historic trophy like the Old Brown Jug or Paul Bunyan's Axe) but not so much now.

Quote: How can you not get excited about Petrino coming to town?

It'll be semi-interesting.

Now you're just making up stuff.

We played there in 2011...attendance was 80,519. Third highest total behind Auburn and FSU.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/worksheet.jsp?y...111022.xml

Quote:Attendance: 79000

And I was there. There is no way in hell there were 79k there as the corners of both upper decks were empty and as usual the visiting section was thin.

Our home slate that year was Troy, Wofford, Auburn, FSU, BC, UNC, and Wake. You were third by default, as I would hope that a school as large as UNC would outdraw a Sun Belt school, a SoCon school, a tiny private school from NC, and a private school from New England.

Oh so you found another site that said 79k instead of 80k that's such a big difference.

"Another site"? It's the official NCAA stats for the game.

And as I said above, that number had to be tickets sold because there were nowhere near 79k at that game.

(01-13-2014 08:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 07:02 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Judging by the attendance the past few times you have been here, not really.

Judging by the number of people wearing baby blue that show up y'all care less.

So? Much like the textile industry in America that might have meant something in the 1980's (when it was created, so it's not like it's a historic trophy like the Old Brown Jug or Paul Bunyan's Axe) but not so much now.

It'll be semi-interesting.

Now you're just making up stuff.

We played there in 2011...attendance was 80,519. Third highest total behind Auburn and FSU.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/worksheet.jsp?y...111022.xml

Quote:Attendance: 79000

And I was there. There is no way in hell there were 79k there as the corners of both upper decks were empty and as usual the visiting section was thin.

Our home slate that year was Troy, Wofford, Auburn, FSU, BC, UNC, and Wake. You were third by default, as I would hope that a school as large as UNC would outdraw a Sun Belt school, a SoCon school, a tiny private school from NC, and a private school from New England.

Oh so you found another site that said 79k instead of 80k that's such a big difference.

"Another site"? It's the official NCAA stats for the game.

And as I said above, that number had to be tickets sold because there were nowhere near 79k at that game.

Hey, Kaplony, I am seriously bringing 60 Louisville fans to Clemson in 2014. Please suggest where I can hotel them for one or two nights. Nice place , please.

(01-13-2014 08:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 07:23 PM)IR4CU Wrote:  OK ...... about Clemson's 2014 conference home slate - I have to agree to some degree with Kaplony but not necessarily with the way he described it. I personally will be mildly to moderately interested in all four of those games - Louisville and Syracuse mostly because it will be their first times at Clemson. I will most definitely be atending all of those games if for no other reason then to cheer for Clemson. However, whether we win or lose a game has nothing to do with my interest level in a game. Shoot, if winning was the only thing of interest, we should just schedule SOCON teams. Someone asked earlier in this thread if Kaplony wanted to play an SEC schedule - well purely from an interest standpoint, the answer for me is hell yes. I would love to have a home schedule of Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee even though we could very well lose every game - but damn if I wouldn't be stoked about playing that schedule. Again, the fact that I am not overly excited to play UL, SU, UNC, and NCSU doesn't mean that I think these are bad schools, bad programs, or that they can't or won't beat Clemson. And no offense is meant - it simply means that playing these schools does not create the same buzz for me as other schools do. I can imagine that getting to play Clemson at home in basketball doesn't do much to excite the UNC crowd (compared to a Duke or Syracuse) nor will it likely do much to excite the SU and UL crowds. The fact that these schools are not excited about playing Clemson in basketball does not bother me at all and I completely understand why those schools fans would/should feel that way.

Personally, I like to play Clemson at home in basketball because you've never won in Chapel Hill. The streak alone generates interest.

As for football, everyone wants to play the SEC. They are the top dog and you just want to see how you match up. However, Clemson is just 3 years into this "big time" program stretch. Before 2010, you guys hadn't won 10 games in a season since 1990. I'm willing to bet when UNC and NC State were competitive, the pre-2010 Clemson fan was excited.

You would be wrong. N.C. State really does not interest me, except as another Saturday to watch Clemson play football. The only interest UNC holds is a chance to beat a team that helped to drop the hammer on us regarding probation in the 80s, but now has daily national reports regarding their shenanigans being published as recently as last week.

My season tickets are in the North stands, basically above the visiting section in the lower bowl. I honestly cannot tell a difference in size between the visiting fan bases of the NC schools, except to say that Duke is the smallest; the rest of the fans are about the same.

I am more interested to see Syracuse and Louisville, mainly because it is something new.

One other point: I keep hearing the Textile Bowl being referenced as a rivalry to be protected. I would not want it to be protected. It is just a name, nothing more. We have something similar with BC that means about as much.

People will read my post and get offended, but (except for North Carolina) it boils down to just another game, not excitement or anticipation. FSU, that is a game I always looked forward to, even when they were consistently rolling us. VT was a game that I was always interested in, again, even though for a while they were rolling us. North Carolina is more of anticipation of the chance to beat a team that I have hated for 30 years.

The poster that drew a parallel with basketball makes a solid point. I read posts on other boards where Syracuse fans lament the need to leave behind Big East basketball, talking about the excitement, packed venues, and hatred between rivals. You get that because it was/is the gold standard conference in round ball. I feel the same way about football, and, while improving, our conference still has a long way to go before I get excited about conference games outside of FSU, GT, and also SCAR on our schedule. When we get VT and Miami, those are games that excite me as well. The rest (while they may be good teams and close games) do not generate any anticipation for me.

I've seen too many Clemson games over the years including the one Kap is alluding to above...that interest is still there. Granted, I get the whole I'd rather play Georgia and Auburn thing, but that's not realistic. Like I said earlier, you are only 3 years into getting good. You went about 20 years between 10 win seasons. Let's not get too carried away.

Why did you include Louisville in that group?

(01-13-2014 09:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Our home conference slate is a big steaming pile this year.

Louisville, NC State, UNC, & Syracuse

(01-13-2014 09:17 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen too many Clemson games over the years including the one Kap is alluding to above...that interest is still there. Granted, I get the whole I'd rather play Georgia and Auburn thing, but that's not realistic. Like I said earlier, you are only 3 years into getting good. You went about 20 years between 10 win seasons. Let's not get too carried away.

Last reply on this topic, but your team has not won more than 8 games in a season since 1997, with 5 losing seasons sprinkled in as well.

As for the time between our last 10 win season and our current streak of 3 seasons in a row, times have changed. After the 80's probation, football was deemphasized, evidenced by Clemson ranking dead last in facilities spending in the ACC throughout the 90s and up until 2006 (West Endzone). Even Duke spent more money on football facilities upgrades during that time than Clemson. That changed with the last years of Bowden, and has accelerated with Swinney. Our Trustee board has went through some changes, and is now slanted toward pro-athletics for the first time in over 25 years.

Back to the point, interest is not there for the opponent, just for the game. Hell in basketball, Clemson has got to be just another game for the heels, whereas Duke is the game that you get amped up for.

I personally get excited to see NC in the valley, but it is not a sportsmanlike feeling. I loathe everything to do with the Tarheels, and I always will. I loved the last time NC came to Clemson because it was a 52-7 dismantling. I just hope that Swofford will come to the game again so that he can hear the same loud chorus of boos that he received the last time from the stands. In other words, our fan base hates anything to do with the heels, and it will not change anytime soon.

Personally, I'm glad Clemson is good again. The ACC needed someone else to step up. Unfortunately, I don't share the same hate for you guys as you do for us. We play again next year in Death Valley. It's probably safe to say it won't be 52-7 this time.

I think the Point is....

EVERY BODY would LOVE to play & beat the top of the $ec on a regular basis.

....also instead of being mad at something you don't have, how about you be happy for the things you do. (3 bowl winners come to town, 2 for the 1st time ever) I actually think Clemson's home schedule will prove to be PRETTY Rock Solid!

FLossY out...

(01-14-2014 11:20 AM)HRFlossY Wrote:  I actually think Clemson's home schedule will prove to be PRETTY Rock Solid!

I don't think those 4 schools make up a rock solid schedule.