(04-06-2014 09:21 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  The numbers just keep on rising.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 5, 2014: 7.40M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.5 M - 26.6 M)

QHP Range: (6.88M - 16.47M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.03M - 7.05M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.09M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

That's a lot of check marks in the blue box.

(04-05-2014 04:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Private QHPs (6.37M - 12.45M) • Medicaid/CHIP (4.71M - 6.49M) • Sub26ers (2.50M - 3.10M)

Grand Total as of March 31, 2014: (14.6 M - 22.1 M)

Enrollment Period Elapsed: 100.0%
Original 7M CBO Exchange QHP Projection Reached: 101.1%

Exchange QHP Projection, 10/1/13 - 3/31/14: 7.08M

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 570K documented; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

* This information is taken from http://www.acasignups.net For questions see the website.

Here is the latest update from Caba. Exchange signups are up about 200k since the 31st and with the new CMS report (for February) he is estimating that new Medicaid enrollment has surpassed 7 million.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 4, 2014: 7.28M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.3 M - 26.4 M)

QHP Range: (6.77M - 16.35M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.01M - 7.01M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.17M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Private QHPs (6.37M - 12.45M) • Medicaid/CHIP (4.71M - 6.49M) • Sub26ers (2.50M - 3.10M)

Grand Total as of March 31, 2014: (14.6 M - 22.1 M)

Enrollment Period Elapsed: 100.0%
Original 7M CBO Exchange QHP Projection Reached: 101.1%

Exchange QHP Projection, 10/1/13 - 3/31/14: 7.08M

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 570K documented; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

* This information is taken from http://www.acasignups.net For questions see the website.

Here is the latest update from Caba. Exchange signups are up about 200k since the 31st and with the new CMS report (for February) he is estimating that new Medicaid enrollment has surpassed 7 million.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 4, 2014: 7.28M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.3 M - 26.4 M)

QHP Range: (6.77M - 16.35M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.01M - 7.01M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.17M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5.2 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.7 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Private QHPs (6.37M - 12.45M) • Medicaid/CHIP (4.71M - 6.49M) • Sub26ers (2.50M - 3.10M)

Grand Total as of March 31, 2014: (14.6 M - 22.1 M)

Enrollment Period Elapsed: 100.0%
Original 7M CBO Exchange QHP Projection Reached: 101.1%

Exchange QHP Projection, 10/1/13 - 3/31/14: 7.08M

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 570K documented; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

* This information is taken from http://www.acasignups.net For questions see the website.

Here is the latest update from Caba. Exchange signups are up about 200k since the 31st and with the new CMS report (for February) he is estimating that new Medicaid enrollment has surpassed 7 million.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 4, 2014: 7.28M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.3 M - 26.4 M)

QHP Range: (6.77M - 16.35M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.01M - 7.01M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.17M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.5 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

How do you know what each and every one of the 6 million cancelled people did?

(04-06-2014 05:18 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 09:21 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  The numbers just keep on rising.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 5, 2014: 7.40M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.5 M - 26.6 M)

QHP Range: (6.88M - 16.47M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.03M - 7.05M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.09M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

That's a lot of check marks in the blue box.

No I'm afraid you are incorrect. These are only those fully enrolled.

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Private QHPs (6.37M - 12.45M) • Medicaid/CHIP (4.71M - 6.49M) • Sub26ers (2.50M - 3.10M)

Grand Total as of March 31, 2014: (14.6 M - 22.1 M)

Enrollment Period Elapsed: 100.0%
Original 7M CBO Exchange QHP Projection Reached: 101.1%

Exchange QHP Projection, 10/1/13 - 3/31/14: 7.08M

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 570K documented; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

* This information is taken from http://www.acasignups.net For questions see the website.

Here is the latest update from Caba. Exchange signups are up about 200k since the 31st and with the new CMS report (for February) he is estimating that new Medicaid enrollment has surpassed 7 million.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 4, 2014: 7.28M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.3 M - 26.4 M)

QHP Range: (6.77M - 16.35M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.01M - 7.01M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.17M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5.2 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.7 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

Dude, your own link says there were 47,000,000 uninsured. It also says there are 22.5 million people eligible for Obamacare but projects only 7 million signups. And why is this guy putting illegals in his spreadsheet? And if a good number of people were never without insurance, then why did they need Obamacare?

(04-06-2014 05:52 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Private QHPs (6.37M - 12.45M) • Medicaid/CHIP (4.71M - 6.49M) • Sub26ers (2.50M - 3.10M)

Grand Total as of March 31, 2014: (14.6 M - 22.1 M)

Enrollment Period Elapsed: 100.0%
Original 7M CBO Exchange QHP Projection Reached: 101.1%

Exchange QHP Projection, 10/1/13 - 3/31/14: 7.08M

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 570K documented; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

* This information is taken from http://www.acasignups.net For questions see the website.

Here is the latest update from Caba. Exchange signups are up about 200k since the 31st and with the new CMS report (for February) he is estimating that new Medicaid enrollment has surpassed 7 million.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 4, 2014: 7.28M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.3 M - 26.4 M)

QHP Range: (6.77M - 16.35M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.01M - 7.01M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.17M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.5 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

How do you know what each and every one of the 6 million cancelled people did?

5.2 is not equal to 6. Insurance companies reports give us a lot of insight into what those people did. The Rand report puts those from that group without at less than 1 million and that report doesn't cover the last month or so. I think when all the data is in sometime this summer we will find they got coverage. Do you really think people that had health insurance in 2013 decided to roll the dice during 2014?

(04-06-2014 05:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:18 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 09:21 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  The numbers just keep on rising.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 5, 2014: 7.40M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.5 M - 26.6 M)

QHP Range: (6.88M - 16.47M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.03M - 7.05M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.09M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

That's a lot of check marks in the blue box.

No I'm afraid you are incorrect. These are only those fully enrolled.

no one knows what they are. the lies surrounding this thing are so deep that you have to be willfully ignorant to believe anything anyone says about it. Anything.

In three months, we will find out that the only people that signed up were 3 million hemophiliacs. it begs credulity in a big, big way to think that these people suddenly woke up one morning and decided to become honest.

(04-06-2014 06:03 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:52 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Here is the latest update from Caba. Exchange signups are up about 200k since the 31st and with the new CMS report (for February) he is estimating that new Medicaid enrollment has surpassed 7 million.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 4, 2014: 7.28M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.3 M - 26.4 M)

QHP Range: (6.77M - 16.35M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.01M - 7.01M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.17M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.5 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

How do you know what each and every one of the 6 million cancelled people did?

5.2 is not equal to 6. Insurance companies reports give us a lot of insight into what those people did. The Rand report puts those from that group without at less than 1 million and that report doesn't cover the last month or so. I think when all the data is in sometime this summer we will find they got coverage. Do you really think people that had health insurance in 2013 decided to roll the dice during 2014?

yes. absolutely. you don't have to look any farther than this forum to rewalize that significant portions of any group have told ReBamaLosi to stick it in their a$$.

(04-06-2014 06:02 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Private QHPs (6.37M - 12.45M) • Medicaid/CHIP (4.71M - 6.49M) • Sub26ers (2.50M - 3.10M)

Grand Total as of March 31, 2014: (14.6 M - 22.1 M)

Enrollment Period Elapsed: 100.0%
Original 7M CBO Exchange QHP Projection Reached: 101.1%

Exchange QHP Projection, 10/1/13 - 3/31/14: 7.08M

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 570K documented; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

* This information is taken from http://www.acasignups.net For questions see the website.

Here is the latest update from Caba. Exchange signups are up about 200k since the 31st and with the new CMS report (for February) he is estimating that new Medicaid enrollment has surpassed 7 million.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 4, 2014: 7.28M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.3 M - 26.4 M)

QHP Range: (6.77M - 16.35M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.01M - 7.01M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.17M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5.2 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.7 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

Dude, your own link says there were 47,000,000 uninsured. It also says there are 22.5 million people eligible for Obamacare but projects only 7 million signups. And why is this guy putting illegals in his spreadsheet? And if a good number of people were never without insurance, then why did they need Obamacare?

1. That is a good estimate pretty much accepted by everyone so I don't get your point.
2. 7 million were projected to sign up this year. More will sign up in 2015, more in 2016. No one expected everyone eligible to sign up in the first year.
3. Illegals aren't eligible for ACA benefits.
4. People signed up on the exchanges for a number of reasons. Some had insurance in 2013 but they were "underinsured" Some were going broke paying their premiums or meeting deductibles and copays and benefited from the subsidy. I suppose some just found it (believe it or not) easier to go online and pick a plan rather than take a trip to the insurance agency.

(04-06-2014 06:18 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 06:03 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:52 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.5 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

How do you know what each and every one of the 6 million cancelled people did?

5.2 is not equal to 6. Insurance companies reports give us a lot of insight into what those people did. The Rand report puts those from that group without at less than 1 million and that report doesn't cover the last month or so. I think when all the data is in sometime this summer we will find they got coverage. Do you really think people that had health insurance in 2013 decided to roll the dice during 2014?

yes. absolutely. you don't have to look any farther than this forum to rewalize that significant portions of any group that has told ReBamaLosi to stick it in their a$$.

Call it just a gut feeling or call in common sense but I'm confident that posters in the spin room section of a little college sports board don't represent anything approaching a cross section of the population or even those that had cancelled policies.

(04-06-2014 06:25 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 06:18 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 06:03 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:52 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  It is 5 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.5 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

How do you know what each and every one of the 6 million cancelled people did?

5.2 is not equal to 6. Insurance companies reports give us a lot of insight into what those people did. The Rand report puts those from that group without at less than 1 million and that report doesn't cover the last month or so. I think when all the data is in sometime this summer we will find they got coverage. Do you really think people that had health insurance in 2013 decided to roll the dice during 2014?

yes. absolutely. you don't have to look any farther than this forum to rewalize that significant portions of any group that has told ReBamaLosi to stick it in their a$$.

Call it just a gut feeling or call in common sense but I'm confident that posters in the spin room section of a little college sports board don't represent anything approaching a cross section of the population or even those that had cancelled policies.

It does so happen to be measurable reality, as opposed to the vapor numbers bandied about by this dishonest administration and their henchmen.

(04-06-2014 06:13 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:18 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 09:21 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  The numbers just keep on rising.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 5, 2014: 7.40M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.5 M - 26.6 M)

QHP Range: (6.88M - 16.47M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.03M - 7.05M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.09M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

That's a lot of check marks in the blue box.

No I'm afraid you are incorrect. These are only those fully enrolled.

no one knows what they are. the lies surrounding this thing are so deep that you have to be willfully ignorant to believe anything anyone says about it. Anything.

In three months, we will find out that the only people that signed up were 3 million hemophiliacs. it begs credulity in a big, big way to think that these people suddenly woke up one morning and decided to become honest.

Conspiracy theorists.

(04-06-2014 06:29 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 06:13 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:18 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 09:21 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  The numbers just keep on rising.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 5, 2014: 7.40M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.5 M - 26.6 M)

QHP Range: (6.88M - 16.47M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.03M - 7.05M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.09M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

That's a lot of check marks in the blue box.

No I'm afraid you are incorrect. These are only those fully enrolled.

no one knows what they are. the lies surrounding this thing are so deep that you have to be willfully ignorant to believe anything anyone says about it. Anything.

In three months, we will find out that the only people that signed up were 3 million hemophiliacs. it begs credulity in a big, big way to think that these people suddenly woke up one morning and decided to become honest.

Conspiracy theorists.

observable reality. It's standard operating procedure for these propagandists. It has been their standard play since they whelped this evil law.

(04-06-2014 06:19 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 06:02 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Here is the latest update from Caba. Exchange signups are up about 200k since the 31st and with the new CMS report (for February) he is estimating that new Medicaid enrollment has surpassed 7 million.

Estimated Exchange QHPs as of April 4, 2014: 7.28M

Estimated Total, all sources: (13.3 M - 26.4 M)

QHP Range: (6.77M - 16.35M) • Medicaid/CHIP (5.01M - 7.01M) • Sub26ers (1.60M - 3.10M)

(OFF-Exchange QHPs: 2.17M confirmed; Rand Corp. study finds up to 9M total nationally)

Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5.2 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.7 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

Dude, your own link says there were 47,000,000 uninsured. It also says there are 22.5 million people eligible for Obamacare but projects only 7 million signups. And why is this guy putting illegals in his spreadsheet? And if a good number of people were never without insurance, then why did they need Obamacare?

1. That is a good estimate pretty much accepted by everyone so I don't get your point.
If the idea was to get the uninsured insured, then getting only a small fraction of them to sign up is not a success.


2. 7 million were projected to sign up this year. More will sign up in 2015, more in 2016. No one expected everyone eligible to sign up in the first year.

Because a gun is being put to their head.


3. Illegals aren't eligible for ACA benefits.

I know. But why are they on the list? This guy seems to have info no one else has, even Obama. Does he know something we don't?

4. People signed up on the exchanges for a number of reasons. Some had insurance in 2013 but they were "underinsured" Some were going broke paying their premiums or meeting deductibles and copays and benefited from the subsidy. I suppose some just found it (believe it or not) easier to go online and pick a plan rather than take a trip to the insurance agency.

How can they be underinsured if the state insurance commissioner approved the policy? And now people have extremely high deductibles, but that's OK with you as long as they have insurance they can't afford to use. And "suppose" is not fact.

(04-06-2014 06:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 06:19 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 06:02 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 05:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Your own link shows that there are over 47,000,000 uninsured people in the country. Obama (and you) would have us believe that cancelling the policies of over 6 million people only to have them buy Obamacare policies is the definition of success.

It is 5.2 million not 6. 1.5 got to keep their old policy. Most of the 3.7 simply switched to a compliant plan from the same company (part of the off exchange 9 million) and some shopped around and either bought a plan off or on exchange. These people were never without insurance. You are grasping at straws.

Dude, your own link says there were 47,000,000 uninsured. It also says there are 22.5 million people eligible for Obamacare but projects only 7 million signups. And why is this guy putting illegals in his spreadsheet? And if a good number of people were never without insurance, then why did they need Obamacare?

1. That is a good estimate pretty much accepted by everyone so I don't get your point.
If the idea was to get the uninsured insured, then getting only a small fraction of them to sign up is not a success.


2. 7 million were projected to sign up this year. More will sign up in 2015, more in 2016. No one expected everyone eligible to sign up in the first year.

Because a gun is being put to their head.


3. Illegals aren't eligible for ACA benefits.

I know. But why are they on the list? This guy seems to have info no one else has, even Obama. Does he know something we don't?

4. People signed up on the exchanges for a number of reasons. Some had insurance in 2013 but they were "underinsured" Some were going broke paying their premiums or meeting deductibles and copays and benefited from the subsidy. I suppose some just found it (believe it or not) easier to go online and pick a plan rather than take a trip to the insurance agency.

How can they be underinsured if the state insurance commissioner approved the policy? And now people have extremely high deductibles, but that's OK with you as long as they have insurance they can't afford to use. And "suppose" is not fact.

1. It certainly isn't a "small fraction". The exchanges are only a part of the effort to get coverage to more people. The exchanges should end up totaling about 8 million but of course only about 35-60% of them will be formerly uninsured There will be some that never pay their first premium. So lets for the sake of argument say 40% - 200k and that is 3. Then there are the states that expanded Medicaid. Those numbers should be about 6-8 million new signups, we can call it 6 for the sake of argument. About 2 million sub26ers are added as well. Then there are the 13-9 million off exchange signups but most of them will be previously insured, including many of those 3.7 million that had non compliant policies canceled. Call it 10 and figure only 10% of them are previously uninsured for 1 million. There are also the SHOP exchanges but that is a pretty small amount so we can leave them out. There are also the Medicaid 'woodworkers", in essence people that qualify for traditional Medicaid but never for one reason or another applied. They amount to about 2 million. Add that up and we have 14 million formerly uninsured for 2014. You said there were 47 million uninsured but I've seen the number 48 more often so lets use that. 14 out of 48 is an over 29% reduction, hardly a small fraction.

I haven't found any of the Gaba spreadsheets listing illegals. Which one are you looking at?

(04-06-2014 07:32 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  14 out of 48 is an over 29% reduction, hardly a small fraction.

That would be a good thing if it were accomplished at no cost. But of course, it isn't accomplished at no cost because it cannot be.

What do you see as the costs of getting 14 million, or whatever the number is? And do you think it's worth that cost? What would be your threshold at which you would say the costs outweigh the benefits?

Here is a nice article on Gaba and his website.

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/4/5572310/the-...arles-gaba

(04-07-2014 08:04 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Here is a nice article on Gaba and his website.

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/4/5572310/the-...arles-gaba

A propaganda piece. Numbers are based on those released by the Zero Administration. Garbage in, garbage out.