ODU rejects and offer to play Bama..

I see it two different ways.. 1. They feel it doesn't benefit their program or goals for the year.. 2. It's a good snub to a SEC powerhouse looking for a good win at home (or a game they feel could be a good win at home).

I applaud ODU.

(03-31-2014 09:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:23 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  We as a school are no short of funds to drag ourself into a man slaughter like this which is what usually happens to programs in their infancy which are very less prepared. Okay people talking about making a name going against big heads what kind of name did GaSt made when they played bama last year.

No name at all. These games make no sense most of the time and usually show a weakness in Athletic Leadership. Bama in 2010 made sense. It was our first year and it was a Thursday Night game on ESPNU to cap the first season. Playing Bama again was stupid. This year we have Clemson and Washington. Why? Most fans cant afford the trip to Seattle and its two guaranteed beat downs for payment with no return game.Good for ODU for not being Saban's taxi squad. If Bama needs another game so bad why dont they schedule Louisville or Central Florida. Not as much fun when they punch back.

Scheduling is not an art easily mastered. There will be times when ODU will need to fill a hole and the only one available is that team with the trophies.

In our case it seems Alabama was looking to fill a hole in their schedule and probably had to offer a big incentive this late in the process. However getting another P5 or AAC team to play probably would be more difficult than getting a game against a program that doesn't have a TV obligation.

I'm sure GSU has reasons for scheduling P5's and it probably doesn't always have to do with money. Maybe they wanted to make inroads in other states for recruiting purposes. Yeah, I know, you're probably saying how does getting spanked by 5 TD's accomplish that? Well, ODU did get spanked by UNC yet are still able to garner the interest of quality recruits in that state. I believe we had the 2nd best 2014 CUSA recruiting class according to 24/7 Sports. We were recruiting neck and neck with ECU despite getting torn a new one by UNC.

(03-31-2014 10:42 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:23 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  We as a school are no short of funds to drag ourself into a man slaughter like this which is what usually happens to programs in their infancy which are very less prepared. Okay people talking about making a name going against big heads what kind of name did GaSt made when they played bama last year.

No name at all. These games make no sense most of the time and usually show a weakness in Athletic Leadership. Bama in 2010 made sense. It was our first year and it was a Thursday Night game on ESPNU to cap the first season. Playing Bama again was stupid. This year we have Clemson and Washington. Why? Most fans cant afford the trip to Seattle and its two guaranteed beat downs for payment with no return game.Good for ODU for not being Saban's taxi squad. If Bama needs another game so bad why dont they schedule Louisville or Central Florida. Not as much fun when they punch back.

Scheduling is not an art easily mastered. There will be times where ODU will need to fill a hole and the only one available is that team with the trophies.

In our case it seems Alabama was looking to fill a hole in their schedule and probably had to offer a big incentive this late in the process. However getting another P5 or AAC team to play probably would be more difficult than getting a game against a program that doesn't have a TV obligation.

I'm sure GSU has reasons for scheduling P5's and it probably doesn't always have to do with money. Maybe they wanted to make inroads in other states for recruiting purposes. Yeah, I know, you're probably saying how does getting spanked by 5 TD's accomplish that? Well, ODU did get spanked by UNC yet are still able to garner the interest of quality recruits in that state. I believe we had the 2nd best 2014 CUSA recruiting class according to 24/7 Sports. We were recruiting neck and neck with ECU despite getting torn a new one by UNC.

I hear what youre saying but we are the #4 recruiting ground with only 4 FBS schools in state. We dont need to make inroads elsewhere, Our AD is not that great at strateegery so I am going go with it was for the paycheck. I can see how it may have been beneficial for ODU to get spanked by UNC...once. Cant make that a habit though at this stage of our development. Need a few more FBS recruiting cycles before we can start facing big boys regularly.

(03-31-2014 11:42 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 10:42 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:23 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  We as a school are no short of funds to drag ourself into a man slaughter like this which is what usually happens to programs in their infancy which are very less prepared. Okay people talking about making a name going against big heads what kind of name did GaSt made when they played bama last year.

No name at all. These games make no sense most of the time and usually show a weakness in Athletic Leadership. Bama in 2010 made sense. It was our first year and it was a Thursday Night game on ESPNU to cap the first season. Playing Bama again was stupid. This year we have Clemson and Washington. Why? Most fans cant afford the trip to Seattle and its two guaranteed beat downs for payment with no return game.Good for ODU for not being Saban's taxi squad. If Bama needs another game so bad why dont they schedule Louisville or Central Florida. Not as much fun when they punch back.

Scheduling is not an art easily mastered. There will be times where ODU will need to fill a hole and the only one available is that team with the trophies.

In our case it seems Alabama was looking to fill a hole in their schedule and probably had to offer a big incentive this late in the process. However getting another P5 or AAC team to play probably would be more difficult than getting a game against a program that doesn't have a TV obligation.

I'm sure GSU has reasons for scheduling P5's and it probably doesn't always have to do with money. Maybe they wanted to make inroads in other states for recruiting purposes. Yeah, I know, you're probably saying how does getting spanked by 5 TD's accomplish that? Well, ODU did get spanked by UNC yet are still able to garner the interest of quality recruits in that state. I believe we had the 2nd best 2014 CUSA recruiting class according to 24/7 Sports. We were recruiting neck and neck with ECU despite getting torn a new one by UNC.

I hear what youre saying but we are the #4 recruiting ground with only 4 FBS schools in state. We dont need to make inroads elsewhere, Our AD is not that great at strateegery so I am going go with it was for the paycheck. I can see how it may have been beneficial for ODU to get spanked by UNC...once. Cant make that a habit though at this stage of our development. Need a few more FBS recruiting cycles before we can start facing big boys regularly.

ODU sits in the vaunted 757 yet it ventures everywhere for recruits. GSU knows it cannot depend on the state to deliver a crop every year.
You're forgetting something. Everyone in the country including ODU recruits in the state of Georgia, not just you and the other 3.

I wasn't implying that ODU benefited from that spanking. I'm saying it doesn't hold a lot of weight in a recruits decision making.

(03-31-2014 09:46 AM)KevinMac Wrote:  Interesting discussion with some great points on both sides. It is a rare situation where you can clearly see reasoned arguments for different opinions and totally understand why those you disagree with think they way they do. The only thing I'll add is that I expect NCST to buy out the game @ ODU in 2015, which makes this a little more complicated in my mind.

They may not buy it out. They may want more recognition in that area of Virginia (for recruiting), a short ride for their fans and a winnable road game. Not to mention relationships the schools may have with one another. FIU now gets many home and home's with mid-level P5's.

The Alabama game, however, is a horse of a completely different color. Saban and his paid professionals are looking for a 'body-bag' for a blow-out and to get the second and third strings some work in preparation for the upcoming SEC battles.

I for one am glad that ODU is doing what they can to help balance the FBS scales at least a little bit.

(03-31-2014 11:54 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:42 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 10:42 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:23 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  We as a school are no short of funds to drag ourself into a man slaughter like this which is what usually happens to programs in their infancy which are very less prepared. Okay people talking about making a name going against big heads what kind of name did GaSt made when they played bama last year.

No name at all. These games make no sense most of the time and usually show a weakness in Athletic Leadership. Bama in 2010 made sense. It was our first year and it was a Thursday Night game on ESPNU to cap the first season. Playing Bama again was stupid. This year we have Clemson and Washington. Why? Most fans cant afford the trip to Seattle and its two guaranteed beat downs for payment with no return game.Good for ODU for not being Saban's taxi squad. If Bama needs another game so bad why dont they schedule Louisville or Central Florida. Not as much fun when they punch back.

Scheduling is not an art easily mastered. There will be times where ODU will need to fill a hole and the only one available is that team with the trophies.

In our case it seems Alabama was looking to fill a hole in their schedule and probably had to offer a big incentive this late in the process. However getting another P5 or AAC team to play probably would be more difficult than getting a game against a program that doesn't have a TV obligation.

I'm sure GSU has reasons for scheduling P5's and it probably doesn't always have to do with money. Maybe they wanted to make inroads in other states for recruiting purposes. Yeah, I know, you're probably saying how does getting spanked by 5 TD's accomplish that? Well, ODU did get spanked by UNC yet are still able to garner the interest of quality recruits in that state. I believe we had the 2nd best 2014 CUSA recruiting class according to 24/7 Sports. We were recruiting neck and neck with ECU despite getting torn a new one by UNC.

I hear what youre saying but we are the #4 recruiting ground with only 4 FBS schools in state. We dont need to make inroads elsewhere, Our AD is not that great at strateegery so I am going go with it was for the paycheck. I can see how it may have been beneficial for ODU to get spanked by UNC...once. Cant make that a habit though at this stage of our development. Need a few more FBS recruiting cycles before we can start facing big boys regularly.

ODU sits in the vaunted 757 yet it ventures everywhere for recruits. GSU knows it cannot depend on the state to deliver a crop every year.
You're forgetting something. Everyone in the country including ODU recruits in the state of Georgia, not just you and the other 3.

I wasn't implying that ODU benefited from that spanking. I'm saying it doesn't hold a lot of weight in a recruits decision making.

We sit smack dab in the middle of the Atlanta Metro. Schools can come from out of state all day. We all know there are plenty of kids who want to stay home and we will grab those kids. You can only sign 25 a year and this state produces 180 plus FBS kids per year. With a population of 10 million and 4 FBS schools, Georgia State and Georgia Southern should not have to go out of state except for JUCOs. Regardless, as I said, that payday beat down only works once for recruiting purposes and after that you cant still be getting blasted 70-0 ten years down the line.In the case of ODU, you can accomplish the same scheduling Wake Forest, Duke and Virginia going forward.

(03-31-2014 10:31 AM)gdunn Wrote:  ODU rejects and offer to play Bama..

I see it two different ways.. 1. They feel it doesn't benefit their program or goals for the year.. 2. It's a good snub to a SEC powerhouse looking for a good win at home (or a game they feel could be a good win at home).

I applaud ODU.

I applaud them too, but not for the same reasons. They are to be commended for not making fools of themselves for the sake of making a huge payday.

ODU is doing what's best for ODU. I think we all would love to play Alabama, but we don't want to drop any games that we have so far, including a potentially winnable game at home vs. NC State.

We'll get them on the schedule when we are ready.

If we can cancel our conference game against Charlotte then I'm all for it. Otherwise, no.

(03-31-2014 02:35 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We'll get them on the schedule when we are ready.

If they have the vaguest inkling you might actually compete with them for 3 quarters, another offer won't be extended.

Having every conceivable advantage already isn't enough for them.

(03-31-2014 04:51 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:35 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We'll get them on the schedule when we are ready.

If they have the vaguest inkling you might actually compete with them for 3 quarters, another offer won't be extended.

Having every conceivable advantage already isn't enough for them.

Alabama doesn't take rejection well.

ODU won't be on their schedule ever again, regardless of their skill level.

(03-31-2014 07:05 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 04:51 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:35 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We'll get them on the schedule when we are ready.

If they have the vaguest inkling you might actually compete with them for 3 quarters, another offer won't be extended.

Having every conceivable advantage already isn't enough for them.

Alabama doesn't take rejection well.

ODU won't be on their schedule ever again, regardless of their skill level.

How true, I'm just waiting to see what happens when the NCAA comes calling after all the cheater coaches they've hired get caught doing something & the NCAA tries to do something to them

(03-31-2014 07:22 PM)blazerwkr Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 07:05 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 04:51 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:35 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We'll get them on the schedule when we are ready.

If they have the vaguest inkling you might actually compete with them for 3 quarters, another offer won't be extended.

Having every conceivable advantage already isn't enough for them.

Alabama doesn't take rejection well.

ODU won't be on their schedule ever again, regardless of their skill level.

How true, I'm just waiting to see what happens when the NCAA comes calling after all the cheater coaches they've hired get caught doing something & the NCAA tries to do something to them

1. The NCAA doesn't have the guts to do anything to anybody unless it involves pedophiliac rape.

2. Why would they go after one of their biggest cash cows?

It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business.

(03-31-2014 08:17 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 07:22 PM)blazerwkr Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 07:05 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 04:51 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:35 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We'll get them on the schedule when we are ready.

If they have the vaguest inkling you might actually compete with them for 3 quarters, another offer won't be extended.

Having every conceivable advantage already isn't enough for them.

Alabama doesn't take rejection well.

ODU won't be on their schedule ever again, regardless of their skill level.

How true, I'm just waiting to see what happens when the NCAA comes calling after all the cheater coaches they've hired get caught doing something & the NCAA tries to do something to them

1. The NCAA doesn't have the guts to do anything to anybody unless it involves pedophiliac rape.

2. Why would they go after one of their biggest cash cows?

The NCAA was also pretty quick to shut down that MWC/CUSA merger.

One thing that's telling is that the "big boys" have apparently decided that the market for college sports is saturated. There's no consideration given to the possibility that, say, ECU could morph into the next Florida State / VPI. They consider the size of the pie to be fixed, at this point, and they really just want to reduce the number of slices they have to cut. I think it was the founding of CUSA and then the Sun Belt that really inspired the "big boys" to draw a line in the sand... they tolerated USM, Louisville, etc. as powerful independents, but once every goddamned branch campus in the Southeast decided to become the next USM, action was taken.

(04-01-2014 12:03 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The NCAA was also pretty quick to shut down that MWC/CUSA merger.

One thing that's telling is that the "big boys" have apparently decided that the market for college sports is saturated. There's no consideration given to the possibility that, say, ECU could morph into the next Florida State / VPI. They consider the size of the pie to be fixed, at this point, and they really just want to reduce the number of slices they have to cut. I think it was the founding of CUSA and then the Sun Belt that really inspired the "big boys" to draw a line in the sand... they tolerated USM, Louisville, etc. as powerful independents, but once every goddamned branch campus in the Southeast decided to become the next USM, action was taken.

Actually they've already managed to limit the size of the pie and the shares they must hand-out. Each G5 conference gets a maximum of $12 million from the Play-off share (plus a marginal incentive based on rank within the G5). There is no incentive whatsoever to now go beyond 12; you actually cost yourself money beyond this number.

Obviously this announcement was made after the invitations were sent out to those programs replacing ECU, Tulsa and Tulane which keeps us at 14 football playing members. We lose about $150k/program for having these two extra members. If we should lose 2 in the future, I doubt we replace them.

(03-31-2014 12:08 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:46 AM)KevinMac Wrote:  Interesting discussion with some great points on both sides. It is a rare situation where you can clearly see reasoned arguments for different opinions and totally understand why those you disagree with think they way they do. The only thing I'll add is that I expect NCST to buy out the game @ ODU in 2015, which makes this a little more complicated in my mind.

They may not buy it out. They may want more recognition in that area of Virginia (for recruiting), a short ride for their fans and a winnable road game. Not to mention relationships the schools may have with one another. FIU now gets many home and home's with mid-level P5's.

The Alabama game, however, is a horse of a completely different color. Saban and his paid professionals are looking for a 'body-bag' for a blow-out and to get the second and third strings some work in preparation for the upcoming SEC battles.

I for one am glad that ODU is doing what they can to help balance the FBS scales at least a little bit.

NC State has two away games so far OOC and no home games (at South Alabama and at ODU). USA has already played at NC State twice (as part of a 2 for 1), so they'd owe us serious cash if they refused the return.

We've always been concerned that NC State would try to wriggle out of the return. But from what I've heard, NC State has some financial holes in their Athletic Department. So I think we'll be okay.

(04-06-2014 07:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 12:08 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:46 AM)KevinMac Wrote:  Interesting discussion with some great points on both sides. It is a rare situation where you can clearly see reasoned arguments for different opinions and totally understand why those you disagree with think they way they do. The only thing I'll add is that I expect NCST to buy out the game @ ODU in 2015, which makes this a little more complicated in my mind.

They may not buy it out. They may want more recognition in that area of Virginia (for recruiting), a short ride for their fans and a winnable road game. Not to mention relationships the schools may have with one another. FIU now gets many home and home's with mid-level P5's.

The Alabama game, however, is a horse of a completely different color. Saban and his paid professionals are looking for a 'body-bag' for a blow-out and to get the second and third strings some work in preparation for the upcoming SEC battles.

I for one am glad that ODU is doing what they can to help balance the FBS scales at least a little bit.

NC State has two away games so far OOC and no home games (at South Alabama and at ODU). USA has already played at NC State twice (as part of a 2 for 1), so they'd owe us serious cash if they refused the return.

We've always been concerned that NC State would try to wriggle out of the return. But from what I've heard, NC State has some financial holes in their Athletic Department. So I think we'll be okay.

Some schools are known for pulling out of games. NC state isnt one of them. They came to hattiesburg back when the chest was the hc. Southern miss played them at ladd back when roman gabriel was the qb.