Hoping for big changes when compensation kicks in, don’t know what city your school is in but here in Houston the businesses that can throw big money at local players to stay and play for UofH is a more likely scenario than a g5 split
Iam thinking big football schools in small markets and small states will be out spent by big city businesses like here in good ole Houston
Just say’n

The AAC is G5, and will always remain -- forever -- as G5 and Only G5. :)

With that out of the way, sure, we can go into fantasy land of having a P6 Conference. UConn is only going to want to be in it if it's a sure-fire Power Conference with no risk of slipping into G5, as UConn's leaving the G5 AAC (because it's, well, G5).

UCF
USF
Cinci
Memphis
Navy
Houston
UConn
BYU
Boise State
Air Force
San Diego State
Appalachian State/Fresno State/SMU/Utah State/Colorado State/Hawaii

That's about as good as it'd get, given recent history performance and/or over-long-period performance.

It's best to keep it SMALL. The bigger the Conference extracted from G5, the weaker it'll consistently be compared to the P5s. Best to keep it at 12.

In this fantasy/fictional endeavor, I know some want to expand it to 16, because their move is to lower the rest of G5 to D1AA or a new sub-division in-between P6s and most of current D1AA.

But in doing so, you make the conference weaker.

There is a stronger chance a P4 happens before a P6 happens. As soon as Texas and Oklahoma decide to leave the B12 for more money elsewhere, the rest of the B12 will either have to hope the PAC 12 expands or they get to tag along with Texas or OU. The remaining B12 teams whoever is left will scramble for a BOR conference. This new BOR conference will ultimately go the way of the BE and lose their seat at the table. IMO the B12 only hope for long term survival and the creation of P6 conference is the 5-2-1 playoff model happens before OU and Texas leave.

Quote:There is a stronger chance a P4 happens before a P6 happens.

I agree somewhat. The combination of the B12 wanting to expand to the "normal" 12 range, while other P5s may want to (over) expand -- it will strip MW/AAC of it's most marketable teams. Which makes it Less of a chance for a P6 to form in any recent history.

As far as P4 is concerned? I don't really agree. I COULD see the B12 potentially crumbling if Texas & OU get stripped from the B12 into the P12 or SEC. Especially if another team gets stripped too.

But I would then see the B12 wanting to basically make another P5 out of it -- taking their remaining 6-8 teams + the best 2-4 teams from MW/AAC.

(12-30-2019 05:01 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:There is a stronger chance a P4 happens before a P6 happens.

I agree somewhat. The combination of the B12 wanting to expand to the "normal" 12 range, while other P5s may want to (over) expand -- it will strip MW/AAC of it's most marketable teams. Which makes it Less of a chance for a P6 to form in any recent history.

As far as P4 is concerned? I don't really agree. I COULD see the B12 potentially crumbling if Texas & OU get stripped from the B12 into the P12 or SEC. Especially if another team gets stripped too.

But I would then see the B12 wanting to basically make another P5 out of it -- taking their remaining 6-8 teams + the best 2-4 teams from MW/AAC.

I don't think either Texas or Oklahoma wants to leave the B12. But if they do, certainly the remaining programs would invite the best available teams into a watered-down B12. Those would probably be UCF, USF, Cincy & Memphis to get back up to 12.

That would not guarantee, however, that the new B12 would be P6, though I wouldn't count them out. It's also possible that one of the remaining schools might not like the new conference and go indy. I could see WVU doing that.

(12-30-2019 07:27 AM)TuckerGnat Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 05:01 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:There is a stronger chance a P4 happens before a P6 happens.

I agree somewhat. The combination of the B12 wanting to expand to the "normal" 12 range, while other P5s may want to (over) expand -- it will strip MW/AAC of it's most marketable teams. Which makes it Less of a chance for a P6 to form in any recent history.

As far as P4 is concerned? I don't really agree. I COULD see the B12 potentially crumbling if Texas & OU get stripped from the B12 into the P12 or SEC. Especially if another team gets stripped too.

But I would then see the B12 wanting to basically make another P5 out of it -- taking their remaining 6-8 teams + the best 2-4 teams from MW/AAC.

I don't think either Texas or Oklahoma wants to leave the B12. But if they do, certainly the remaining programs would invite the best available teams into a watered-down B12. Those would probably be UCF, USF, Cincy & Memphis to get back up to 12.

That would not guarantee, however, that the new B12 would be P6, though I wouldn't count them out. It's also possible that one of the remaining schools might not like the new conference and go indy. I could see WVU doing that.

I think what happens to the P6 could, as you say, well depend on Texas and Oklahoma. However, the could as likely form a new merge conference with select schools in the PAC-12. USC isn’t and shouldn’t be happy with the state of the league. Nor is Oregon.

One could easily see: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, and AZ/AZ State forming a western wing of a merged conference.

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, (Nebraska?) form the eastern part with TCU/Baylor/Oklahoma State/Houston fighting for the remaining 2-3 spots.

If I’m CBS, I’m approaching these set of schools to replace the SEC. I would propose an 8 game schedule which allows Washington, Oregon, Utah, Arizona etc... to maintain their annual rivalry games.

Should that occur Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona/Arizona State, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Iowa State, West Virginia would be likely working to form a new best of rest conference. I am assuming the schools will want to stay in CA and Texas, stay regional, have travel pairs.

Possible:
West: Washington State, Oregon State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, UNLV

East: Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Houston, SMU, Iowa State, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Colorado State

If I’m CBS I sign this league also and make sure I promote each weekend one of: Oklahoma/Oklahoma State, Washington/Washington State, Oregon/Oregon State, Arizona/Arizona State, Colorado/Colorado State, BYU/Utah, Kansas/Kansas State, TCU/SMU in the Friday night “Betrayal/hatred slot”. I might even manufacture Cal/Fresno State, UCLA/San Diego State, Houston/Texas as those schools have no love either. That’s 11 games that would have real animosity. Animosity drives interest.

So your slot is Friday Night CBSSports Animosity Night, Saturday noon PST Eastern wing OTA, Saturday 4:30 PST Western Wing OTA, Left over East wing CBSSports, 7:30 West wing left over west.

(12-30-2019 07:27 AM)TuckerGnat Wrote:  

(12-30-2019 05:01 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:There is a stronger chance a P4 happens before a P6 happens.

I agree somewhat. The combination of the B12 wanting to expand to the "normal" 12 range, while other P5s may want to (over) expand -- it will strip MW/AAC of it's most marketable teams. Which makes it Less of a chance for a P6 to form in any recent history.

As far as P4 is concerned? I don't really agree. I COULD see the B12 potentially crumbling if Texas & OU get stripped from the B12 into the P12 or SEC. Especially if another team gets stripped too.

But I would then see the B12 wanting to basically make another P5 out of it -- taking their remaining 6-8 teams + the best 2-4 teams from MW/AAC.

I don't think either Texas or Oklahoma wants to leave the B12. But if they do, certainly the remaining programs would invite the best available teams into a watered-down B12. Those would probably be UCF, USF, Cincy & Memphis to get back up to 12.

That would not guarantee, however, that the new B12 would be P6, though I wouldn't count them out. It's also possible that one of the remaining schools might not like the new conference and go indy. I could see WVU doing that.

Texas likes what they have and OU seems to as well. But if they find themselves around 30-40 in the P5 in league revenue it is going to be really hard to justify sticking.

Big 12 has taken 0 of the 12 championship game slots so far and 4 of 24 playoff spots (all by OU) and was the fourth seed in three of the four years.

That's not a great trend for drawing viewers outside of your own base even though UT and OU have fan bases that most P5 only wish they could have. Unlike Pac-12 teams (outside of Colorado), geography doesn't make them a hard choice. They are basically the same distance from Florida State as the University of Arizona and University of Iowa, plus the SEC is close all around with a couple old rivals.

Having those options and the clout to help any league they want to join takes the pressure off Texas to do anything until that's a move they are forced to make by money.

(12-29-2019 07:54 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Hoping for big changes when compensation kicks in, don’t know what city your school is in but here in Houston the businesses that can throw big money at local players to stay and play for UofH is a more likely scenario than a g5 split
Iam thinking big football schools in small markets and small states will be out spent by big city businesses like here in good ole Houston
Just say’n

That might be a bit presumptuous. If you look at a team like South Carolina, for example, they currently bring in $140m per year. Houston brings in $55m. You're saying that the companies that you are talking about, who aren't forking over the extra $85m now, will suddenly start when players can be paid.

I get that there is something to the idea that your money goes farther when you pay it directly to a player rather than into a fund that gets divvied out to womens softball and lacrosse; but you're talking about a 154% increase in revenue. Even then, you're only matching the current revenue of the small market/big following schools that will likely up their contributions as well.

(05-15-2014 10:58 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I think most folks know I'm not a huge proponent of a total P5 split from the other schools. I really think a new super division should include about 80-90 FB schools. So my thought is a hybrid conference below. Yeah we heard it before but it needs to happen. Yeah the top 65 schools are all chummy now...but what is to stop the top 24 schools to breakaway from the P5 if TV $$$ makes it posible? I actually enjoy variety but having 350 schools in Div 1 for Hoops is a farce. Go to about 90 all sport schools and add the Big East/A-10 and maybe the West Coast Conference with the Zags in hoops and other sports. The rest can play in a new 1AA.

UConn
Cincy
ECU (edit...added late as I forgot to include them)
Memphis (edit...added late as I forgot to include them)
USF
UCF
Houston
Tulane
SMU
Boise St
BYU
USAFA
West Point
Navy
Fresno St
SDSU
Wild Cards: Villanova/Temple/Louisiana/USM/UTEP/UTSA/UNLV/New Mexico/Colorado St.

The Military Academies could also be FB only. You could actually break into two 10 or 12 team conferences...to have a P7.

Your idea of reasonable, and mine are quite different.