Wilkie01 Wrote:There have been many good points and possibilities brought up in this thread so far! However, one thing is obvious to me is:

Mike Tranghese is a basketball man and will do anything he can to protect those schools intertest over the 8 1A football schools interest! Abraham Lincoln said it best, "a house divided cannot stand"! And a house divided is what the Big East is! There is no way that the small private Catholic university can have the same goals and football interests that the 8 1A football playing schools have! WE are just a time bomb waiting to explode.

Yes - the question is when.

exactly why would the outback bowl want to trade either the SEC or Big 10 for the BE?? the only way I even remotely see it happening is if u lose gator for #2 and replace it with outback.. and that not even likely.

Quote:exactly why would the outback bowl want to trade either the SEC or Big 10 for the BE?? the only way I even remotely see it happening is if u lose gator for #2 and replace it with outback.. and that not even likely.

-- ^^ The plan is to start a brand new bowl in tampa...I think the plan is to play it at the home of the Devil Rays


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goodknightfl Wrote:exactly why would the outback bowl want to trade either the SEC or Big 10 for the BE?? the only way I even remotely see it happening is if u lose gator for #2 and replace it with outback.. and that not even likely.

The Big East is talking about a new bowl not the Outback Bowl.

I think we need to show some pride and stop cowtowing to Notre Dame and Penn State. The agreement with Notre Dame right now I don't mind because it's give and take. But giving them special benefits just to join the league is getting ridiculous. That's why I'm glad the Big East is working on creating new bowl affiliations so we don't have to be beholden to Notre Dame. This is a pretty good conference, lets stand on our own two feet.

You guys need to get these notre dame , Navy deals out of your bowl schedule. Its a screwey set up and sending an 11-1 or 10-2 team to Houston or toronto is crazy.

I agree Top Coog but the only way it will happen is the current 8 team football group has to split from the basketball side!

Wilkie01 Wrote:I agree Top Coog but the only way it will happen is the current 8 team football group has to split from the basketball side!

They could add a couple of bowl spots. A new bowl in Tampa vs CUSA would be a good start. ESPN might get involved in something like that like they did with hawaii and ft Worth and birmingham. ESPN may also be looking at a bowl in Tlsa as well. If the merger with 1A and 1AA happens you'll see new bowls everywhere.

I just hope we finally get a playoff and settle it on the field.

Wilkie01 Wrote:I agree Top Coog but the only way it will happen is the current 8 team football group has to split from the basketball side!

Oh my god, something we agree with when it comes to TopCoog! WOW! That is crap!

The Big East playing CUSA in the second Tampa Bowl is a horrible idea. Both leagues need to go their own way. What the Big East can do instead is give up our slot in the Texas Bowl. CUSA can have it. That gives them an even six bowl bids. They would not need any more than that.

The Big East should set up the Tampa Bowl opponent as an at-large. It can be the East Coast counterpart to the Poinsettia Bowl. The Big East can make a deal with Army and Navy that, in whichever year they do not go to San Diego, they come to Tampa. That would work very well.

You know Navy will be bowl eligible almost every year. Army is still working on catching up to them but, in years when they are ineligible, grab any extra BCS team that needs a place to go. Otherwise play Sun Belt #2 or WAC #4 or possibly even a down Notre Dame as an opponent.

SUGGESTED FUTURE BIG EAST BOWL AFFILIATIONS
1) BCS
2) Gator/Sun
3) Meineke (Charotte)
4) Tampa
5) International (Toronto)
6) Birmingham

CatsClaw Wrote:I think we need to show some pride and stop cowtowing to Notre Dame and Penn State. The agreement with Notre Dame right now I don't mind because it's give and take. But giving them special benefits just to join the league is getting ridiculous. That's why I'm glad the Big East is working on creating new bowl affiliations so we don't have to be beholden to Notre Dame. This is a pretty good conference, lets stand on our own two feet.

agreed....in fact I'd tell ND to join for football or take all their other programs somewhere else (I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem finding a home)....they seem like parasites to me and I think the BE needs to tell them to crap or get off the pot.

PSU would be cool, and a better geographic fit for them but again, if they don't want to, let's drop it and move on....the cowtowing needs to end.

I wouldn't just swat ND and the bowl issue. I would negotiate with with them on issues like the Sun / Gator. You can have the BE bowl spot if they choose you as per the bowl arrangement HOWEVER the revenue from the BE/ ND relationship will be split at the current rate of nine equal shares. Now that's called a conference. Needless to say they would go to the Cotton bowl then on their off BCS years.

Krocker, I enjoy your posts. But I can not comprehend how you give up Tex bowl [Tex Tech or Hous vs Rutgers, with 40 or 50 thousands fans & TV ratings much like last yrs Insight Bowl] for bowl game in Tampa [USF vs Ark St ]. You want to tell C-USA to go thier own way & hook up with Sun Belt & use the WAC as backup plan. Tampa gonna need 1 million for ACC # 7, 2 million for B-10 #6 or SEC # 7. Tampa best bet is hope Birmingham bowl moves to Tampa.

cardtopper Wrote:Your chance of winning a national championship go down significantly if you play a conference championship game...especially in conferences like the SEC and Big Ten....

Note: The Big Ten does not play a conference championship game. You may be confusing the Big Ten for the Big XII which does play a conference championship game.

Let's consider the history of the BCS...

2005 Texas, Big XII conference championship game
2004 USC, PAC 10 no conference championship game
2003 LSU, SEC conference championship game
2002 Ohio State, Big Ten no conference championship game
2001 Miami, Big East no conference championship game
2000 Oklahoma, Big XII, conference championship game
1999 Florida State, ACC no conference championship game
1998 Tennessee, SEC conference champioship game

I don't think your speculation is as "clear cut" as you think it is.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_footba...hamps.html

TopCoog Wrote:You guys need to get these notre dame , Navy deals out of your bowl schedule. Its a screwey set up and sending an 11-1 or 10-2 team to Houston or toronto is crazy.

I agree. The problem that the Big East had when negotiating bowl contracts has been "attendence".

As long at West Virginia, Louisville, and Rutgers are in the bowl game, they are "okay". Previously, when another team has been sent to a bowl game, the fans are not showing up.

That is why the BE had to negotiate with Navy and Notre Dame.

templefootballfan Wrote:Krocker, I enjoy your posts. But I can not comprehend how you give up Tex bowl [Tex Tech or Hous vs Rutgers, with 40 or 50 thousands fans & TV ratings much like last yrs Insight Bowl]

The only way the bowl has that many people there is if the Big 12 rep is TT, A&M, or UT. UT doesn't look like they are slipping that much anytime soon. Oklahoma St v. a Big East team isn't going to be a great draw. Then consider hometown fans. Houston & Rice could each have a home game and the combined attendance is going to be less than in most Big East home games, it's pathetic.

As for the Tampa Bowl, is everyone forgetting how bad the D Rays stadium is? Its the worst ballpark in MLB, without debate. I can't imagine a football game there would be any better.

Temple may have dropped a notch on MT's wish list and phone list this week after loosing a heart breaker to to Central Michigan 42-26. The lost also stopped their win streak at one. I hear they are pretty decimated down there because their win streak was halted. Well maybe they can put it to Penn St next week and get back on track. lmfao lmfao lmfao

A primary reason for Big East fans wanting to get out of the Texas Bowl is because it's in Texas. That state might be Big but there is nothing East about it. Imagine if a Big East team has to go to the Sun Bowl one year and the Texas Bowl the next year. What would that do to fan attendance?

I agree that CUSA can have the Texas Bowl. That way the Big East doesn't have to worry about sharing it with them and the MWC. I can live with the Gator/Sun thing but having to share a bowl with two non-BCS conferences who both hate the Big East's guts is a completely unacceptable deal.

Tropicana Field is probably a bad idea for a bowl location but, hopefully, the Outback Bowl people and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will agree that doing two bowls at Ray Jay is a good idea. Playing against Army and Navy is a good idea too. If they're ever not available, roll the dice and make do.

I read an article yesterday in which MT quite clearly stated that the Big East would LOVE to add a 9th football member but that the problem was the value isn't out there in another program to make them deserving. Its a real shame that Memphis had to go down the tubes like they did this season. Last nights game was a train wreck for them.