Are we currently in negotiations?

(03-01-2015 10:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  There is not a perfect solution on TV that makes everyone happy. I hear people calling Little Rock sports radio mad that the ACC is on broadcast TV locally in the old SEC spot and people complaining about not having SECN or or not getting the overflow.

I like ESPN3 quality is good, picture stable and easy to access and I like being able to check in to other games on phone or iPad if I don't have time to watch. But it's not a perfect fit for everyone. I also like being able to check out other teams on the schedule at might leisure without filling up my DVR.

ESPN has a butt load of content so there aren't a lot of open windows. AState will get five national games between four under the SBC deal (Mizzou, UL Lafayette, @South Alabama, @App State). For me TV is irrelevant for the home games, I will be at those. I will also be at USC so the TV there doesn't matter to me. But ESPN has moved from their old model of restricting U selected national content to regional only to wanting to own the whole package and either reselling excess or dumping it on 3.

ASN is a great concept. I think they do a good job with their graphics and pushing their leagues but it is the cable OTA ESPN3. Few people camp on the channels waiting to see games and few stumble on them. In Little Rock if you have antenna or Comcast you get games in 480 and actual picture quality ranges from not bad to barely tolerable. If you have Dish or Direct sports packages you get HD. If you live outside LR or Conway and have cable you don't get it at all.

Fox so far doesn't chose to live up to potential. 2013 FS1 did a lot of CUSA Thursday 2014 it was Friday. With the exception of Marshall-WKU ratings remain lackluster more similar to ESPNU. The lack of FS2 games is baffling. The Fox regionals are a gem because if there is a strong following of the local pro teams covered there is built in viewer habit. Fox College is the cable ESPN3 only available with a sports package and not all cable carriers offer it.

NBC has a ton of potential. The NBCSN channel is growing nicely with British soccer and the NHL. Throw in the regional Comcast RSNs and it gets close to Fox in overall reach. The Universal Sports channel is like FS2 with its utter devotion to niche sports but reaches more homes than CBSSN.

CBSSN seems like a hobby. The decision to not use it for NCAA Tournament games in the round of 64 underlines the hobby angle.

Good post. Lots of info in there. You mention the Comcast RSNs and there were a number of ASN C-USA football games on Directv on those channels and to my amazement they were not blacked out because of out of region issues. FS2 remains a hodgepodge of programming and I have not heard if Fox intends to develop that channel into something viable for college sports. Fox Sports Go is something to keep an eye on too for those that want streaming.

(03-02-2015 11:27 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Fox Sports Go is something to keep an eye on too for those that want streaming.

Agreed with this - and note that streaming no longer means sitting in front of a computer.

With a $99 Apple TV investment (or competing product) virtually any game that can stream can wirelessly go to your big screen (ESPN3 has a direct app on Apple TV which makes it literally a direct to TV product for all of their streaming inventory).

I am cutting my dish out in the next few months and moving so I don't want to add it back. The more streaming games I can get the better. I hate ESPN with the passion of a thousand suns but it sure was nice to be able to watch the ULL vs Tech on ESPN3 last year. When I get Roku3 , I would like to be able to access and watch as many away games as possible via streaming.

(03-02-2015 12:11 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

HarborPointe Wrote:Ask yourself: If Louisville thought it was so danged great, why aren't they still doing it? Surely, ESPN would rather show them on Tuesday night than Miami, Ohio.

Because now they're a major program with major conference money regardless of when they play.

That's the whole point. If being the only football game on national TV on a Tuesday has so much upside and is such a great opportunity to separate oneself from the rest of the pack, why hasn't any major program shown an interest in it? Why has no P5 conference given it a whirl? If more good comes out of it than bad, schools & conferences should be knocking each other over trying to get a piece of that action. Quite to the contrary, anyone with any other option stays away from it. That tells you all you need to know.

Quote: The evidence is there; Louisville turned itself into a power school and much of it was a willingness to play whenever they were told to. I explicitly said that I don't think C-USA should do it, but there's no denying it worked out well for Louisville.

Yeah, it was the weeknight games. It had nothing do with Jurich being a fundraising genius, building a state-of-the-art stadium, being ahead of the curve with their offenses, and changing their recruiting strategy.

Don't be so gullible when someone with a vested interest tries to turn coincidence into causality. Far more schools than Louisville played those Tuesday/Wednesday/Sunday games and still aren't in a P5. TCU left CUSA when its last ESPN contract was signed and built itself into a national power playing in the MWC on Altitude and Comcast. Southern Miss finished as a consensus Top 20 two years after the ESPN contract ended--and four years after we made it a point to not play those games anymore if we had any say.

That one school of dozens happened to hit the big-time while suffering through that garbage does not establish it as a path to success. I'm running out of ways to say it, but if those games directly contributed to on-field success, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now because no one would have wanted them to stop and we'd simply be renewing with ESPN for the 3rd or 4th time.

(03-01-2015 11:41 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

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(02-28-2015 05:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You clearly didnt undertsand the deal. He paid the next three months streaming fee up front (he would have paid the same thing over 3 months anyway--he just paid them early) and got a free Roku. That's a pretty good deal. Basically, he lost 3 months of interest on $60 in exchange for a Roku Stick.

I understood the deal, it's still simply paying $60 for a $50 item


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You clearly don't. It's simply paying $60 at one time instead of over a three month period for the Sling TV service, and getting something free for doing so.

Or pay the $50 and get the login credentials you want from family or friends. Again the marketing department deserves a raise for getting people to pay $60 to get a $50 stick that is not as good as the box.


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Lol.....Or you could just shoplift the Roku from Target. Everyone is overpaying for everything once you introduce theft as a viable and acceptable alternative.

(03-02-2015 07:10 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

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(03-01-2015 08:03 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:32 PM)Orange County O wl TV Wrote:  I can't stand what ESPN has become but the lack of an ESPN3 type outlet for our secondary football/MBB games has been brutal.

Fox launched Fox Sports Go a while back but it's not yet picking up any of this excess inventory. Searching for a handful of ASN games does not feel like a viable substitute.

IIRC, every football and MBB game played at an AAC game was on at minimum ESPN3 this season. We need similar access.

First, we're not the ACC. Second, where do you live? Third, am I the only one that have seen more CUSA football & basketball on tv this season than in recent memory?

First, it was the AAC, not the ACC. Second, you are not the AAC, where 90% of their games were nationally televised and the other 10% were on ESPN3. Third, you cannot get the ASN games in Southern California, the 2nd largest TV market in the country. It is not a real network like ESPN or Fox or NBC or CBS.

My bad on the AAC thing. I haven't seen the AAC on ESPN 3 because I don't have it. And so f'n what CUSA isn't on in California. You do realize College Sports is a regional TV product right?

ASN does need to better with its online content. It's our first year with them so let see what year two holds. Until then, you guys can cry and moan about not being able to watch a CUSA game online in California, Alaska, or Puerto Rico.

But it's all about picking up new fans and that won't happen without exposure and marketing. Of course every CUSA fan can find their games because they are invested.

(03-02-2015 06:29 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  But it's all about picking up new fans and that won't happen without exposure and marketing. Of course every CUSA fan can find their games because they are invested.

Regardless of how I or any other fan feel about ESPN, CUSA left them for a reason. I'm not worried about the next TV deal because I am fairly certain when it is done, everything that is being complained about in regards to accessing content will probably be address in this new deal. The only I would like for Bano to stand pat on is not playing weeknight games because there are more disadvantages than advantages to doing that.

(03-02-2015 06:52 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:29 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  But it's all about picking up new fans and that won't happen without exposure and marketing. Of course every CUSA fan can find their games because they are invested.

Regardless of how I or any other fan feel about ESPN, CUSA left them for a reason. I'm not worried about the next TV deal because I am fairly certain when it is done, everything that is being complained about in regards to accessing content will probably be address in this new deal. The only I would like for Bano to stand pat on is not playing weeknight games because there are more disadvantages than advantages to doing that.

I hear you about that and ESPN. I think someone like a Fox could give them good time slots.

(03-02-2015 06:52 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:29 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  But it's all about picking up new fans and that won't happen without exposure and marketing. Of course every CUSA fan can find their games because they are invested.

Regardless of how I or any other fan feel about ESPN, CUSA left them for a reason. I'm not worried about the next TV deal because I am fairly certain when it is done, everything that is being complained about in regards to accessing content will probably be address in this new deal. The only I would like for Bano to stand pat on is not playing weeknight games because there are more disadvantages than advantages to doing that.

Are you saying you want no week night games (cuz CUSA obviously already plays some week night games).

(03-02-2015 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:52 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:29 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  But it's all about picking up new fans and that won't happen without exposure and marketing. Of course every CUSA fan can find their games because they are invested.

Regardless of how I or any other fan feel about ESPN, CUSA left them for a reason. I'm not worried about the next TV deal because I am fairly certain when it is done, everything that is being complained about in regards to accessing content will probably be address in this new deal. The only I would like for Bano to stand pat on is not playing weeknight games because there are more disadvantages than advantages to doing that.

Are you saying you want no week night games (cuz CUSA obviously already plays some week night games).

No Tuesdays, Wednesdays, or Friday night games.

(03-02-2015 08:57 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Are you saying you want no week night games (cuz CUSA obviously already plays some week night games).

No Tuesdays, Wednesdays, or Friday night games.

I'm even good with a once-per-season Friday game provided there's adequate notice. USM's only had to play at home on Friday once, but many area high schools were quite accommodating in adjusting their schedules so the high school coaches and players wouldn't have to miss the college game and fans didn't have to choose between going to one or the other.

Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Sundays (yep, been there and done that, too)? Not just "no," but "hell, no."

(03-02-2015 09:50 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:57 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Are you saying you want no week night games (cuz CUSA obviously already plays some week night games).

No Tuesdays, Wednesdays, or Friday night games.

I'm even good with a once-per-season Friday game provided there's adequate notice. USM's only had to play at home on Friday once, but many are high schools were quite accommodating in adjusting their schedules so the high school coaches and players wouldn't have to miss the college game and fans didn't have to choose between going to one or the other.

Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Sundays (yep, been there and done that, too)? Not just "no," but "hell, no."

I'm in total agreement with that. No way would I want to go back to doing that.

Friday's are good. You're the only game on.

I don't mind Fridays. I work four 10's and am off Fridays, but even when I wasn't I'd just use a half day of leave. No big deal really.

With the NFL crowding in on Thursday, Friday is becoming more attractive. The PAC already plays several Friday games and even has their champ game on a Friday night. The B1G has considered Friday games as well.

CUSA is just experiencing growing pains...first with FOX and now with ASN. The coverage will get there. It just takes time. I will say that the Commish needs to bargain for better positioning with some min. guarantees on Big FOX and FS1. This past year, with CBS bailing and FOX electing to air the minimum allowable, the majority of games fell to tier 3 coverage. Thank goodness for ASN as they were a blessing, BUT a situation like this should not be allowed to happen again.

(03-03-2015 08:42 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  With the NFL crowding in on Thursday, Friday is becoming more attractive. The PAC already plays several Friday games and even has their champ game on a Friday night. The B1G has considered Friday games as well.

I would take a 7 pm kick-off on Friday over 11 am on Saturday. Friday nights have a loose atmosphere that brings out the students.

Does anyone know how the OVC has a better TV deal for basketball on CBSSN than CUSA? Others have said CBSSN was bailing on CUSA, but they are bailing on us for OVC hoops? What sense does that make?

(03-03-2015 10:17 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Does anyone know how the OVC has a better TV deal for basketball on CBSSN than CUSA? Others have said CBSSN was bailing on CUSA, but they are bailing on us for OVC hoops? What sense does that make?

I'm pretty sure the OVC is getting zero dollars from CBS. Their deal is for exposure only. Still, I would think they would prefer us over them.

(03-03-2015 11:00 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:17 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Does anyone know how the OVC has a better TV deal for basketball on CBSSN than CUSA? Others have said CBSSN was bailing on CUSA, but they are bailing on us for OVC hoops? What sense does that make?

I'm pretty sure the OVC is getting zero dollars from CBS. Their deal is for exposure only. Still, I would think they would prefer us over them.

That is what I figured but yes how can they bail on us and than turn around and feature OVC games in our usual time slot....That is crap to me...