(04-12-2015 11:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 09:44 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Step by step my friend, step by step. Right now, it's rule time. I am not going to write out the entire order of events when the situation is dynamic.

Just skip to the end, then....

I don't care about the details anyway, just the final outcome.

Well, it's gonna be awesome for a true traditional Irish fan such as yourself. How about that?

(04-12-2015 10:50 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  As a UConn alum/fan, I don't believe any of this.

It's fun to think about and discuss, but it's naive to actually believe any of it before it's in the papers.

If ye have faith even the size of a mustard seed, you could move mountains. Name it and claim it, brother! Cast out that demon, and stake your claim to your true birthright!

(04-12-2015 11:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 09:44 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Step by step my friend, step by step. Right now, it's rule time. I am not going to write out the entire order of events when the situation is dynamic.

Just skip to the end, then....

I don't care about the details anyway, just the final outcome.

Well, it's gonna be awesome for a true traditional Irish fan such as yourself. How about that?

If by that you mean Texas goes indy and joins the ACC in other sports and ND keeps its status quo, then sign me up right now.

(04-12-2015 11:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 09:44 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Step by step my friend, step by step. Right now, it's rule time. I am not going to write out the entire order of events when the situation is dynamic.

Just skip to the end, then....

I don't care about the details anyway, just the final outcome.

Well, it's gonna be awesome for a true traditional Irish fan such as yourself. How about that?

If by that you mean Texas goes indy and joins the ACC in other sports and ND keeps its status quo, then sign me up right now.

That's what I mean. There is a lot more to it than that but that Notre Dame and Texas relationship blossoms fully as this situation plays itself out.

(04-12-2015 11:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 10:50 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  As a UConn alum/fan, I don't believe any of this.

It's fun to think about and discuss, but it's naive to actually believe any of it before it's in the papers.

If ye have faith even the size of a mustard seed, you could move mountains. Name it and claim it, brother! Cast out that demon, and stake your claim to your true birthright!

Miko is truly a man for all seasons.

(04-12-2015 11:40 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 10:50 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  As a UConn alum/fan, I don't believe any of this.

It's fun to think about and discuss, but it's naive to actually believe any of it before it's in the papers.

If ye have faith even the size of a mustard seed, you could move mountains. Name it and claim it, brother! Cast out that demon, and stake your claim to your true birthright!

Miko is truly a man for all seasons.

More or less

(04-12-2015 11:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 09:44 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Step by step my friend, step by step. Right now, it's rule time. I am not going to write out the entire order of events when the situation is dynamic.

Just skip to the end, then....

I don't care about the details anyway, just the final outcome.

Well, it's gonna be awesome for a true traditional Irish fan such as yourself. How about that?

If by that you mean Texas goes indy and joins the ACC in other sports and ND keeps its status quo, then sign me up right now.

As I recall, in the past, H1's concept included the ACC taking on two of the B12 Texas schools (i think Baylor and TCU as #15 and #16) as the price of the above. Again, it may have morphed over the past two months when I wasn't as active on these boards.

It's an interesting concept. I don't see it happening myself, but then I never saw Maryland leaving for the B1G either, whereas H1 did. The details of H1's concept (again in the past versions I have seen of it) every current B12 team will need a P5 landing spot for his grand design of Oklahoma and Kansas to the B1G to come about.

Personally, if we assume the B12 will be the conference that goes away (which is itself a BIG IF) I'd rather the ACC take WVU as #15 and then get both Texas and Oklahoma to sign on with an ND type deal. That way each ACC team plays either ND, Texas, or Oklahoma each year OOC. Improves both the conference and out-of-conference football schedule for the ACC. But even though that is what I prefer, I don't see it happening mainly because I don't believe either Texas or Oklahoma is interested in being an independent like ND.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-12-2015 12:38 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:03 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 11:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 09:44 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Step by step my friend, step by step. Right now, it's rule time. I am not going to write out the entire order of events when the situation is dynamic.

Just skip to the end, then....

I don't care about the details anyway, just the final outcome.

Well, it's gonna be awesome for a true traditional Irish fan such as yourself. How about that?

If by that you mean Texas goes indy and joins the ACC in other sports and ND keeps its status quo, then sign me up right now.

As I recall, in the past, H1's concept included the ACC taking on two of the B12 Texas schools (i think Baylor and TCU as #15 and #16) as the price of the above. Again, it may have morphed over the past two months when I wasn't as active on these boards.

It's an interesting concept. I don't see it happening myself, but then I never saw Maryland leaving for the B1G either, whereas H1 did. The details of H1's concept (again in the past versions I have seen of it) every current B12 team will need a P5 landing spot for his grand design of Oklahoma and Kansas to the B1G to come about.

Personally, if we assume the B12 will be the conference that goes away (which is itself a BIG IF) I'd rather the ACC take WVU as #15 and then get both Texas and Oklahoma to sign on with an ND type deal. That way each ACC team plays either ND, Texas, or Oklahoma each year OOC. Improves both the conference and out-of-conference football schedule for the ACC. But even though that is what I prefer, I don't see it happening mainly because I don't believe either Texas or Oklahoma is interested in being an independent like ND.

Cheers,
Neil

Close. Originally I did have TCU listed with the ACC but I had to revisit that as I started to give way to the idea that what was offered to the PAC just wasn't enough.

In this plan, one G5 team gets in to the big party. Asking the PAC to take "the smallest brands" while also having to take a G5 is most likely too much to ask them to do. Give them TCU though instead of a G5 and they get a top notch football program in the #1 metro market for recruiting blue chip high school recruits. That is a great place to have your team visit. So now I see it as TCU, TTU, ISU and KSU for the PAC.

I understand how a staunch ACC fan would like to see what you admitted to wanting to see but this is an across the board negotiation. As nice as Oklahoma and Kansas look for the Big Ten, that isn't their first choice. That is a negotiated settlement for them too.

You are right about Oklahoma not wanting to be Independent but I feel as if Texas, politically, wouldn't have a choice. If they are going to leave every Texas school behind except for Baylor then they are going to have to make some political concessions. That means they are going to need scheduling flexibility. So having more OOC games to schedule allows them to do that, which means an ND style deal with the ACC is perfect for Texas's unique political situation within The State of Texas.

While WVU would be a great addition for the ACC. If it came down to taking WVU and not getting an ACC Network vs taking UConn and getting an ACC Network, which would you prefer?

WVU will help to solidify a Tennessee centric division in the SEC that has Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky and West Virginia.

Well, the above was a current conference-centric model that assumes the B12 will be broken apart and that PSU and Maryland in the ACC isn't going to happen under that scenario.

My REAL overall endgame preference is to see 64-68 institutions secede from the NCAA and band together as one college athletics league, negotiating from a position of strength. Just as the power brokers in the real world have created false dichotomies of conservatives vs progressives so to have the power brokers in college athletics used conferences as the means to create a false dichotomy.

Cheers,
Neil

So the great plan is:

Big 10: KU + OU
SEC: WVU + Ok state
ACC: UConn + Baylor + Texas
Pac 12: TTech + TCU + K State + Io state

Big 10 comes out great, SEC diluted…nothing special, ACC little complex and spread out. Pac 12, pure garbage. I think it sets up the acc + pac 12 to break up down the road. I guess you could have 3 pods of 6 for minor sports in the ACC of

BC, Uconn, Cuse, ND, Pitt, Lville
UVa, Vtech, Unc, Duke, NC state, Wake
Clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami, Texas, Baylor

If the school's in the P5 are working together, this is not the outcome i would aim for. I would either create a pac 20 or merge the big 12 into the ACC. In both cases, its pretty much football only setup with the divisions holding tourney for all other sports. I don't see the problem with leaving the big 10 and SEC at 14 if you get rid of one of the other p5 leagues. Thus, you have a 4 team playoff of conference winners. I think i would go with the acc expanding to 27, all 20 big 12 school's + uconn and cincy. THan break off into 3 pods of 9. IF nd doesn't want to put its football program into, give BYU a football only invite.

(04-12-2015 01:03 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Well, the above was a current conference-centric model that assumes the B12 will be broken apart and that PSU and Maryland in the ACC isn't going to happen under that scenario.

My REAL overall endgame preference is to see 64-68 institutions secede from the NCAA and band together as one college athletics league, negotiating from a position of strength. Just as the power brokers in the real world have created false dichotomies of conservatives vs progressives so to have the power brokers in college athletics used conferences as the means to create a false dichotomy.

Cheers,
Neil

Any hope for pulling PSU to the ACC died when Maryland left and Rutgers was pulled in to The Big Ten in order to deny The ACC that little bit of PSU temptation. Penn State claims New Jersey as it's own. With Rutgers in The ACC that makes it difficult for PSU to claim. Now, at least they can stake that claim on the field.

As far as your vision. It is definitely possible, I just don't think it is possible right now. I could see that happening down the road after we have had this conference centric reality that I have in my prognosis. It would be a huge leap to get to where you want. These men of power take steps, not leaps. At least that is what their history tells us.

(04-11-2015 11:59 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Just so you guys know, my sources have nothing concerning UCONN moving anywhere at this time. The rumor is baseless and designed to gin up more traffic to the Boneyard. Hopefully, this clears it up for everyone.

You're welcome.

Not only is your information impeccable, you can sniff out the trolls for us.

Thank You.

(04-12-2015 01:04 PM)bluesox Wrote:  So the great plan is:

Big 10: KU + OU
SEC: WVU + Ok state
ACC: UConn + Baylor + Texas
Pac 12: TTech + TCU + K State + Io state

Big 10 comes out great, SEC diluted…nothing special, ACC little complex and spread out. Pac 12, pure garbage. I think it sets up the acc + pac 12 to break up down the road. I guess you could have 3 pods of 6 for minor sports in the ACC of

BC, Uconn, Cuse, ND, Pitt, Lville
UVa, Vtech, Unc, Duke, NC state, Wake
Clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami, Texas, Baylor

If the school's in the P5 are working together, this is not the outcome i would aim for.

You are looking at this with blinders. Oklahoma State and West Virginia are pure garbage? That is ridiculous.

LSU
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Oklahoma State

Alabama
Ole Miss
Miss State
Vanderbilt

Florida
Georgia
Auburn
South Carolina

Tennessee
Missouri
Kentucky
West Virginia

That is not a crap conference. That is an extremely valuable conference. Ever heard of horse blinders? Take them off and see the bigger picture.

In terms of the PAC?

USC
UCLA
Stanford
California

Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State

Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado

Texas Tech
TCU
Iowa State
Kansas State

Once again, that is a great set up that pits the Cali schools together and making sure a Cali team is in the PAC Tournament every year while at the same time insuring that every team in the conference gets a visit every year into the State of California for recruiting purposes. On top of that they can also be guaranteed a game every year against a Texas program and every other year they can be guaranteed to visit Texas. Great exposure in the top two States for elite football recruits? Yeah, how horrible that is!

Wake up.

How the hell does the ACC break up with

Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest

North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Virginia

Miami
Boston College
Syracuse
UConn

Virginia Tech
Pitt
Louisville
Baylor

Top that off with guaranteed games with Texas and Notre Dame in football and their inclusion in the conference in every other sport? The additions of Texas, Baylor and UConn are all top notch additions for basketball. The Big Ten is just trying to keep up but ACC fans could easily argue that this expansion insures the ACC as the basketball favorite for years to come simply by what basketball brands have been added.

If everybody is working together, I'd rather just merge the big 12 into the ACC and add uconn + cincy

Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, OU, OK state, KU, KSU, ISU

BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Lville, Miami, ND*

UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, Nc State, Wake, Clem, GTech, FSU, Miami

Give BYU a football only invite for ND spot. Make ND play 4-1-1 format. I think you could work something out with the ACC 2 game pod winner playoff, i.e. open 1 spot up to school's outside the acc. 3 ACC pod winners get invited and 1 to highest rated school not in the sec, big 10 or pac 12 playoff game. In the end, you have 3 champs from the big 10, sec, pac 12 making the playoff and the winner from the acc pod playoff. All that occurs is 1 extra game for the ACC/big 12 members.

As for the other plan, i don't like disjointed school's being lumped together, baylor to BC, KSU and USC breeds instability.

(04-12-2015 01:29 PM)bluesox Wrote:  If everybody is working together, I'd rather just merge the big 12 into the ACC and add uconn + cincy

Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, OU, OK state, KU, KSU, ISU

BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Lville, Miami, ND*

UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, Nc State, Wake, Clem, GTech, FSU, Miami

Give BYU a football only invite for ND spot. Make ND play 4-1-1 format. I think you could work something out with the ACC 2 game pod winner playoff, i.e. open 1 spot up to school's outside the acc. 3 ACC pod winners get invited and 1 to highest rated school not in the sec, big 10 or pac 12 playoff game. In the end, you have 3 champs from the big 10, sec, pac 12 making the playoff and the winner from the acc pod playoff. All that occurs is 1 extra game for the ACC/big 12 members.

As for the other plan, i don't like disjointed school's being lumped together, baylor to BC, KSU and USC breeds instability.

No it doesn't. You stating that it does, that doesn't mean such is true because it isn't true. If that was the case then the current ACC would already be experiencing extreme instability. It's not.

KSU and USC breeds instability? No more than USC and Oklahoma. Your arguments are rife with logical fallacies.

This board could not survive if it wasn't for speculation about UConn.

(04-12-2015 01:37 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This board could not survive if it wasn't for speculation about UConn.

Oh yes it would. The speculation would then be about ________________. (Fill in the blank.)

(04-12-2015 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 01:37 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This board could not survive if it wasn't for speculation about UConn.

Oh yes it would. The speculation would then be about ________________. (Fill in the blank.)

I was using hyperbole.

I should have said this board would lose a large chunk of it's content without UConn.

(04-12-2015 04:10 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 01:37 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This board could not survive if it wasn't for speculation about UConn.

Oh yes it would. The speculation would then be about ________________. (Fill in the blank.)

I was using hyperbole.

I should have said this board would lose a large chunk of it's content without UConn.

UConn is definitely a piece on the board. Whomever takes them does ESPN a tremendous favor that in the business world would be a favor that is expected to be returned.

UConn has a top level Elite basketball program, both men's and women's.

UConn also has a very loyal and vocal portion of the regular posting population here on this forum.

(04-12-2015 11:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 10:50 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  As a UConn alum/fan, I don't believe any of this.

It's fun to think about and discuss, but it's naive to actually believe any of it before it's in the papers.

If ye have faith even the size of a mustard seed, you could move mountains. Name it and claim it, brother! Cast out that demon, and stake your claim to your true birthright!

Prophet Miko.

Then again, the Israelites rarely listened to the prophets and they were right. Hmm.