It's not a "life" until the parents take it home from the hospital. Ask Barbara Boxer.

Machiavelli....


When do you believe a baby is actually alive, and that ending its life is murder?

(04-16-2015 10:40 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  Machiavelli....


When do you believe a baby is actually alive, and that ending its life is murder?

When They enter His Classroom

I have zero interest in telling someone else how, why, and when they can terminate a pregnancy. ZERO. I see neglected kids daily. I see foster kids in my classroom daily. I see court appointed kids in my classroom daily. Kids who have severe emotional problems. I don't want to exacerbate the problem. We literally have a 1000 other things we should be discussing. Why in the world the GOP decided to make this "the" issue to fire up their base is beyond me. The political calculus used to help you. It's not that way anymore. So I should actually be happy when you guys start these threads.

(04-17-2015 07:06 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I have zero interest in telling someone else how, why, and when they can terminate a pregnancy. ZERO. I see neglected kids daily. I see foster kids in my classroom daily. I see court appointed kids in my classroom daily. Kids who have severe emotional problems. I don't want to exacerbate the problem. We literally have a 1000 other things we should be discussing. Why in the world the GOP decided to make this "the" issue to fire up their base is beyond me. The political calculus used to help you. It's not that way anymore. So I should actually be happy when you guys start these threads.

Should Bill Clinton have been aborted? His childhood was pretty rough.

What part of I have zero interest in telling someone else how to make that decision don't we understand? It's getting broken record time in here fellas.

(04-17-2015 07:49 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What part of I have zero interest in telling someone else how to make that decision don't we understand? It's getting broken record time in here fellas.

Well good thing we have courts, then...so you don't have to.

(04-17-2015 07:49 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What part of I have zero interest in telling someone else how to make that decision don't we understand? It's getting broken record time in here fellas.

Should the government be involved in making the decision for a homosexual child that wants to seek conversion therapy?

Damn Mach, if you don't feel mentally or otherwise you can raise a child, MURDER is not the only option.

(04-17-2015 08:03 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Damn Mach, if you don't feel mentally or otherwise you can raise a child, MURDER is not the only option.

Based on his statement he would consider it justifiable homicide.
And it is the easiest way out.

(04-16-2015 10:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  ERC, if your wife was pregnant with a 7 pound baby and the doctors told you that your wife would die during child birth, would you want the government to make the decision on whose life to save, or would you want to make that decision yourself in consultation with your doctor?

The democratic position is that it should be made by the family and the doctor.

Your continual assertion that anyone in favor of abortion rights supports murder and/or that it means nothing to them is disgusting and highly offensive.

There is no qualifier that this only applies when there is a question of one life or the other. Don't twist your parties official position to help yourself sleep.

What is disgusting and highly offensive is someone who claims to be Christian and goes on and on about how they daily read the words of Christ sides with those who, as policy, want women to be able to kill at any time for any reason the innocent children that Christ so often spoke of.

I wouldn't want to be married to someone who is only alive because she killed her child. Women and their hormones and mood swings are difficult enough. Imagine the emotional basketcase that would create.

(04-17-2015 08:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wouldn't want to be married to someone who is only alive because she killed her child. Women and their hormones and mood swings are difficult enough. Imagine the emotional basketcase that would create.

That's how you win over those female voters.

(04-17-2015 08:37 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wouldn't want to be married to someone who is only alive because she killed her child. Women and their hormones and mood swings are difficult enough. Imagine the emotional basketcase that would create.

That's how you win over those female voters.

Yeah, that would be suicide, but I'm anonymous and not running. Not even takinging a position, just a personal thought.

The DNC Chair's stance is understandable IF you feel that life doesn't begin until delivery - when the baby no longer has a cord physically attached to the mother to make it an extension of her body.

I understand the logic even though I find it a bit cold.

One thing I think we don't respect enough in this situation of the 7 lb. fetus is that the FATHER should have some rights in this situation. When the baby is this close to being born, men often become sensitive and may actively want to raise the child. Shouldn't the biological father have the right to deny an abortion in situations where he has some financial means and WANTS to father the child?

I hate the whole abortion issue.

The Courts aren't consistent on when life begins i.e. when Constitutional protection begins the either.

Some states allow abortion up until birth, some have moved that date back to viability but in either case…
How come someone can be charged with murder if they kill a fetus in a car accident but not if they surgically remove it in an abortion? Is the litmus test for whether or not its murder, whether or not the child is wanted?

(04-16-2015 05:10 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:05 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 10:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  ERC, if your wife was pregnant with a 7 pound baby and the doctors told you that your wife would die during child birth, would you want the government to make the decision on whose life to save, or would you want to make that decision yourself in consultation with your doctor?

The democratic position is that it should be made by the family and the doctor.

Your continual assertion that anyone in favor of abortion rights supports murder and/or that it means nothing to them is disgusting and highly offensive.

She said nothing of that scenerio. You are implying an exception (life of the mother). From what I am reading, she doesn't want to ban the late term abortion at all, with or without the exception.

Amazing. Yet again, Tom 'splaining what the leftist of the day meant to say...

Too funny.

Hardly...just repeating her official position. Sorry.

Quote:As a woman who believes in the protection of reproductive choice, I affirm that abortions in this country should be safe, legal and rare. Currently, the law as upheld by the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade protects a woman’s decision to terminate a pregnancy during the first and second trimesters. After this stage, states may regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to protection of the mother’s health. I believe strongly in a woman's right to make educated medical decisions regarding her reproductive health. Not only do I support a woman’s right to choose, but also her ability to obtain legal pharmaceuticals such as emergency contraception and birth control.

http://wassermanschultz.house.gov/my-sta...ues/women/

Yep, her official position. Should be available, any time, any reason. Parse it all you like Tom. Can't change her words that you yourself provided.

And why are you so gung-ho on taking away our "right to make educated medical decisions" on everything else?

(04-17-2015 09:21 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Yep, her official position. Should be available, any time, any reason. Parse it all you like Tom. Can't change her words that you yourself provided.

And why are you so gung-ho on taking away our "right to make educated medical decisions" on everything else?

And those would be???????????????????????

(04-17-2015 09:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 09:21 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Yep, her official position. Should be available, any time, any reason. Parse it all you like Tom. Can't change her words that you yourself provided.

And why are you so gung-ho on taking away our "right to make educated medical decisions" on everything else?

And those would be???????????????????????

You can't see me but my belly is busting from laughter.