(05-25-2015 07:20 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  It is fact.

I'm not interested in the fact that there is a rule allowing for a conference to have two divisions and thus factually it is possible for the ACC to come up with a two division solution.

What I am interested in is the perceived fact that there is never a solution brought up for particular placements of schools in those two divisions that seems agreeable to by all parties.

I am sorry but your game of semantics doesn't really add up to much considering the uncountable amount of threads that have been created here on the ACC forum and on the main forum about this very issue. I have yet to see an agreement come to.

There is no rule saying a conference can't have pods. Therefore, there is no rule forbidding the ACC to change its alignment to a substantially better one. Fact.

(05-25-2015 10:21 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  There is no rule saying a conference can't have pods. Therefore, there is no rule forbidding the ACC to change its alignment to a substantially better one. Fact.

That's been the case for years. Fact.

What it is now is better than either of those scenarios....

Now, it might appear that I am disagreeing with Marge about the viability of the pod system usage for the ACC but that is not the case. What I am pointing out is that it already could have been used for quite some time now and yet it hasn't been used.

So to me it appears like the conference wishes to maintain the problem per chance it actually helps the conference in their negotiations with other powers.

As things go now, it does seem like a 4/4/3/3 pod set up would work well for the ACC.

Pod 1: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest
Pod 2: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
Pod 3: Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College
Pod 4: Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse

You could change it up however you like but this way you keep the North Carolina schools together and the Four Southeastern schools together. Are there other match ups that schools will wish to protect? Sure, but the likes of the North Carolina/Virginia match up can be figured out.

This is a simple two year swap system. You can do it every year or you can do it every other year if you want to get home and away match ups in before the swap.

(05-26-2015 01:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Now, it might appear that I am disagreeing with Marge about the viability of the pod system usage for the ACC but that is not the case. What I am pointing out is that it already could have been used for quite some time now and yet it hasn't been used.

So to me it appears like the conference wishes to maintain the problem per chance it actually helps the conference in their negotiations with other powers.

As things go now, it does seem like a 4/4/3/3 pod set up would work well for the ACC.

Pod 1: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest
Pod 2: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
Pod 3: Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College
Pod 4: Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse

You could change it up however you like but this way you keep the North Carolina schools together and the Four Southeastern schools together. Are there other match ups that schools will wish to protect? Sure, but the likes of the North Carolina/Virginia match up can be figured out.

This is a simple two year swap system. You can do it every year or you can do it every other year if you want to get home and away match ups in before the swap.

I don't pretend to know how a 4-4-3-3 pod system would work but I do know you need to keep the northern schools together and Kentucky boarders VA. So swap Louisville and BC.

Pod 1: Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Pod 2: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Pod 3: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Pod 4: Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse

(05-26-2015 01:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Now, it might appear that I am disagreeing with Marge about the viability of the pod system usage for the ACC but that is not the case. What I am pointing out is that it already could have been used for quite some time now and yet it hasn't been used.

So to me it appears like the conference wishes to maintain the problem per chance it actually helps the conference in their negotiations with other powers.

As things go now, it does seem like a 4/4/3/3 pod set up would work well for the ACC.

Pod 1: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest
Pod 2: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
Pod 3: Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College
Pod 4: Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse

You could change it up however you like but this way you keep the North Carolina schools together and the Four Southeastern schools together. Are there other match ups that schools will wish to protect? Sure, but the likes of the North Carolina/Virginia match up can be figured out.

This is a simple two year swap system. You can do it every year or you can do it every other year if you want to get home and away match ups in before the swap.

I know that looks Cool and all but Pod 2 would absolutely be Murders Row every Year. Sure there would be years that other pods could have a lot of firepower but That pod 2 has Way too many Heavyweights or potential ones while another pod could have far fewer losses and be ranked higher when it counted. Kind of like putting Alabama, Auburn, Florida and LSU in the same SEC pod in terms of conference strength.Just an observation.

(05-26-2015 02:13 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 01:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Now, it might appear that I am disagreeing with Marge about the viability of the pod system usage for the ACC but that is not the case. What I am pointing out is that it already could have been used for quite some time now and yet it hasn't been used.

So to me it appears like the conference wishes to maintain the problem per chance it actually helps the conference in their negotiations with other powers.

As things go now, it does seem like a 4/4/3/3 pod set up would work well for the ACC.

Pod 1: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest
Pod 2: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
Pod 3: Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College
Pod 4: Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse

You could change it up however you like but this way you keep the North Carolina schools together and the Four Southeastern schools together. Are there other match ups that schools will wish to protect? Sure, but the likes of the North Carolina/Virginia match up can be figured out.

This is a simple two year swap system. You can do it every year or you can do it every other year if you want to get home and away match ups in before the swap.

I don't pretend to know how a 4-4-3-3 pod system would work but I do know you need to keep the northern schools together and Kentucky boarders VA. So swap Louisville and BC.

Pod 1: Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Pod 2: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Pod 3: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Pod 4: Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse

Instead of having every pod swapping, you simply have the pods basically jumping back and forth. There aren't four different combinations, there are only two. You pair a pod of 4 with a pod of 3 everytime. It's not actually going to happen. This exercise is all about showing the solution and then realizing that there is a solution and it is not used for a reason.

Now as far as your swap goes, you just made pod 3 much better than pod 4. Geography matters but what happens when you match up your pod 2 and your pod 3 in a division in comparison to your pod 1 and your pod 4?

(05-26-2015 04:46 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 01:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Now, it might appear that I am disagreeing with Marge about the viability of the pod system usage for the ACC but that is not the case. What I am pointing out is that it already could have been used for quite some time now and yet it hasn't been used.

So to me it appears like the conference wishes to maintain the problem per chance it actually helps the conference in their negotiations with other powers.

As things go now, it does seem like a 4/4/3/3 pod set up would work well for the ACC.

Pod 1: North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest
Pod 2: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
Pod 3: Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College
Pod 4: Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse

You could change it up however you like but this way you keep the North Carolina schools together and the Four Southeastern schools together. Are there other match ups that schools will wish to protect? Sure, but the likes of the North Carolina/Virginia match up can be figured out.

This is a simple two year swap system. You can do it every year or you can do it every other year if you want to get home and away match ups in before the swap.

I know that looks Cool and all but Pod 2 would absolutely be Murders Row every Year. Sure there would be years that other pods could have a lot of firepower but That pod 2 has Way too many Heavyweights or potential ones while another pod could have far fewer losses and be ranked higher when it counted. Kind of like putting Alabama, Auburn, Florida and LSU in the same SEC pod in terms of conference strength.Just an observation.

Oh, I absolutely agree with you about the strength of that pod but those four schools all want to play each other every year right? Seems like it is always an issue when these conversations happen so this set up solves that. If it makes those four schools happy then why would the other schools care if those four schools get it tough?

I'd prefer to keep it simple.

Atlantic-------------Coastal

Florida St-----------Va Tech
Clemson------------North Carolina
Georgia Tech-------NC State
Miami---------------Boston College
Louisville-----------Virginia
Pitt.-----------------Duke
Syracuse-----------Wake Forest

No permanent crossovers. Two rotating crossovers every year. If there is a school not in your division that you want to play every year, then play them OOC when you don't have them in league play. The only cases where I would expect this to happen are Ga Tech-Duke and Syracuse-BC because most traditional or regional rivals are already in the same division.

This arrangement gives the football powers an excellent SOS every year, meaning an unbeaten or 1 loss champion will have the best chance of getting in the CFP. For the weaker football schools, it gives them all a legitimate chance at qualifying for the ACC championship game. For most of them, that's probably their ceiling 95% of the time anyway. Va Tech is the enigma. They have reached great heights in the not too distant past, but whether they can sustain that level post Beamer is a question mark. If they can, then they are going to win their division a high percent of the time. If not, they are playing a very regional schedule anyway.

BC is the odd man out here. They get cut off from their regional mates. To compensate them, I would give them Notre Dame 2 out of every three years. Every other team would get the Irish once every three years. I would hope that Cuse would agree to play them OOC.

As part of the deal, I would increase the number of permanent partners (home/home) in basketball to six to maximize the number of regional rivalry games while still allowing the top teams to also play each other twice a year. For example, Duke and UNC would play each other, plus NC State, Wake, Virginia, Syracuse and Louisville. BC would play Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, Louisville, Miami and Virginia. The tradeoff is that you would skip each of the other 8 opponents once every four years with an 18 game league schedule.

This combination of football and hoops gives the league the most high profile matchups they are likely to get to maximize national media exposure and enhance the league's image.

Option 1 is no go.

Option 2 is OK provided the permanent crossover is Clemson.

(05-26-2015 10:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Option 1 is no go.

Option 2 is OK provided the permanent crossover is Clemson.

Andrea is proposing NO permanent crossovers.

(05-26-2015 10:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 10:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Option 1 is no go.

Option 2 is OK provided the permanent crossover is Clemson.

Andrea is proposing NO permanent crossovers.

Her two proposals are awful. Period. Option 2 is significantly worse than the present setup and both options end the FSU/Clemson rivalry. F that. The next good thing Adelson writes will be the first.

(05-26-2015 11:08 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 10:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 10:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Option 1 is no go.

Option 2 is OK provided the permanent crossover is Clemson.

Andrea is proposing NO permanent crossovers.

Her two proposals are awful. Period. Option 2 is significantly worse than the present setup and both options end the FSU/Clemson rivalry. F that. The next good thing Adelson writes will be the first.

totally agree. both options suck.

(05-26-2015 11:20 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 11:08 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 10:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 10:36 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Option 1 is no go.

Option 2 is OK provided the permanent crossover is Clemson.

Andrea is proposing NO permanent crossovers.

Her two proposals are awful. Period. Option 2 is significantly worse than the present setup and both options end the FSU/Clemson rivalry. F that. The next good thing Adelson writes will be the first.

totally agree. both options suck.

Yep. I guess there isn't much else to write about this time of year...

No mix and match is going to make everyone happy, if divisions are to be kept, keep them the same and figure out how to play everyone in the other division more often or let TV dictate the cross division match ups. But even that will make some mad. Personally I prefer to keep it as is except for the 2 non divisional games, they could let those 2 games be decided before the season by rankings making some much see TV match ups that everyone would get excited about.

All GT needs in alignment is to play Duke and Clemson every year? Couldn't they play Duke OOC like everyone suggests FSU should play GT?

I think this pod setup would be best for the ACC in terms of attractive matchups and tv viewership:

FSU---------------Miami
Clemson----------GT
UL-----------------VT

Pitt--------------NC State
Cuse-------------Wake
BC----------------Duke
UVA---------------UNC

It gets the 4 NC schools playing each other every year (yay?). It creates more annual FSU/VT/GT/Clemson/UL/Miami matchups and more frequent matchups than before. If GT/Duke, Clemson/NC State and VT/UVA want those games even when they aren't regularly scheduled, maybe they can play each other OOC since that's such a well-liked solution by some on this board. Or perhaps the ACC can make them a temporary second crossover rival every other year when they aren't scheduled to meet. Someone else can delve into the viability of that suggestion.

We are wasting bandwidth because although all of the powers that be in the conference acknowledge that there is a problem with the divisions nobody except Clemson and Georgia Tech is willing to give anything up for the good of the conference to fix these issues. The other twelve schools are all clamoring for change, but they aren't willing to give up something for change to happen.

(05-26-2015 06:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We are wasting bandwidth because although all of the powers that be in the conference acknowledge that there is a problem with the divisions nobody except Clemson and Georgia Tech is willing to give anything up for the good of the conference to fix these issues. The other twelve schools are all clamoring for change, but they aren't willing to give up something for change to happen.

id give up a yearly matchup with pitt for a chance to play more games with other division more frequently