(06-25-2015 04:34 PM)Okielite Wrote: Texas could keep rights to a bunch more content this way. Right now they usually get 1 crap home game and pay ISU or KU for a road game. So going from 1-2 FB games a year to 6-7 could do wonders for the network.
Doing it like that would cost Texas $20 million plus per year because hen there is no national TV contract. Assuming as an Indy they sign a standard TV contract (like ND), they still need at least six home games to sell to whichever network (ESPN has first dibs) buys them to get the $20 million tier 1 Contract to make up for the lack of conference TV money.
(06-25-2015 11:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?
In my "Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten while Texas goes independent" scenario, I thought of a different twist. Texas sends its Olympic sports to the ACC, just like ND. It's a lame amount of travel, but it's only an hour difference in time zones, and it gets Texas more established as an East Coast entity (like Dallas in the NFC East for the NFL). They can set up a 4-games per year contract for football with the ACC schools to massage the arrangement (and help them fill their schedule).
The ACC can keep an 8-game schedule in conference even MORE easily than they currently are doing (with the extra ND and Texas games built in). For basketball, they'll have 16 teams. For football, they'll have 14 teams. Seems pretty symmetrical to me.
Not sure where the LHN fits in, but ND already has arrangements made to keep its football TV money.
And now everyone else comes up with their own version of what I have been saying for months now, hell...years.
(06-25-2015 11:07 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: Texas and Oklahoma first need to make some changes before the PAC accepts Them !
Has Utah made those changes?
funny....utah tries to pretend that since their in Salt Lake City their "different" than the other folks in their state. Only about half the SLC population is LDS, and even more shocking....they elected a Democratic mayor!
(06-24-2015 09:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: The SEC just got a black eye, twice. The PAC isn't OSU's only option.
What black eye are you speaking of? The early signing period?
(06-24-2015 10:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote: It is hard to link a TV interview that happened several years back. However, if you want proof you might search the Oklahoman back when all of this happened. They had a story about the OU powers that be not wanting any part of the SEC culture.
I would just point out that "not wanting any part of the SEC culture" when at the time they were in a secure conference, might be far different than the current state, a conference that now has two former conferences mates as part of it, and a completely different landscape. I think if they received assurances of an SEC invite (and it didn't harm OSU), they may have a different opinion on it now.
Actually it was at a time when the Conference was very insecure. I doubt the powers that be opinions of the SEC have changed any.
(06-24-2015 07:43 PM)LSUtah Wrote: This is very similar to the narrative that was coming from Nebraska and Texas A&M a few years ago. Nice to see a school in the current Big12 alignment finally rattling sabers at an unsustainable situation, and the reality is Oklahoma is the only program left with enough cache to do so.
Lets not forget that West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU also spoke up about expansion recently as well. Could OU getting the feelings that some of the Big 12 schools might break away to another conference like Kansas to the Big 10? Someone could also be interested in TCU and West Virginia as well. Could the SEC settle for Okie State if OU do not go to them?
When did Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU advocate expansion????????? I have never heard this.
(06-25-2015 11:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?
In my "Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten while Texas goes independent" scenario, I thought of a different twist. Texas sends its Olympic sports to the ACC, just like ND. It's a lame amount of travel, but it's only an hour difference in time zones, and it gets Texas more established as an East Coast entity (like Dallas in the NFC East for the NFL). They can set up a 4-games per year contract for football with the ACC schools to massage the arrangement (and help them fill their schedule).
The ACC can keep an 8-game schedule in conference even MORE easily than they currently are doing (with the extra ND and Texas games built in). For basketball, they'll have 16 teams. For football, they'll have 14 teams. Seems pretty symmetrical to me.
Not sure where the LHN fits in, but ND already has arrangements made to keep its football TV money.
And now everyone else comes up with their own version of what I have been saying for months now, hell...years.
You try to take to much credit for obvious things. But in this case. I will at least say that you among many many and myself included. Have talked about this for at least one year if not two.
(06-25-2015 11:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?
In my "Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten while Texas goes independent" scenario, I thought of a different twist. Texas sends its Olympic sports to the ACC, just like ND. It's a lame amount of travel, but it's only an hour difference in time zones, and it gets Texas more established as an East Coast entity (like Dallas in the NFC East for the NFL). They can set up a 4-games per year contract for football with the ACC schools to massage the arrangement (and help them fill their schedule).
The ACC can keep an 8-game schedule in conference even MORE easily than they currently are doing (with the extra ND and Texas games built in). For basketball, they'll have 16 teams. For football, they'll have 14 teams. Seems pretty symmetrical to me.
Not sure where the LHN fits in, but ND already has arrangements made to keep its football TV money.
And now everyone else comes up with their own version of what I have been saying for months now, hell...years.
You try to take to much credit for obvious things. But in this case. I will at least say that you among many many and myself included. Have talked about this for at least one year if not two.
Obvious?
Oh here we go. IF it was so obvious, then why was I the only one here saying for quite awhile that Maryland would join The Big Ten? Why was I the only one stating as an absolute fact that Harbaugh would join The Big Ten.
Now, why in the hells are you trying to say I am taking credit for obvious things when no one else but me has been a staunch advocate for this particular scenario and now all of a sudden when things are starting to happen, that I also mentioned in advance, suddenly these things are obvious?
You don't know what you are talking about if you actually believe that. Yes, you have been around longer than most but I don't think you have even been around as long as I have held on to this particular scenario. I don't jump around all over the place with ideas as most do.
(06-24-2015 07:43 PM)LSUtah Wrote: This is very similar to the narrative that was coming from Nebraska and Texas A&M a few years ago. Nice to see a school in the current Big12 alignment finally rattling sabers at an unsustainable situation, and the reality is Oklahoma is the only program left with enough cache to do so.
Lets not forget that West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU also spoke up about expansion recently as well. Could OU getting the feelings that some of the Big 12 schools might break away to another conference like Kansas to the Big 10? Someone could also be interested in TCU and West Virginia as well. Could the SEC settle for Okie State if OU do not go to them?
When did Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU advocate expansion????????? I have never heard this.
A couple of months ago before Bowlsby killed the idea of expansion.
(06-24-2015 07:43 PM)LSUtah Wrote: This is very similar to the narrative that was coming from Nebraska and Texas A&M a few years ago. Nice to see a school in the current Big12 alignment finally rattling sabers at an unsustainable situation, and the reality is Oklahoma is the only program left with enough cache to do so.
Lets not forget that West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU also spoke up about expansion recently as well. Could OU getting the feelings that some of the Big 12 schools might break away to another conference like Kansas to the Big 10? Someone could also be interested in TCU and West Virginia as well. Could the SEC settle for Okie State if OU do not go to them?
When did Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU advocate expansion????????? I have never heard this.
A couple of months ago before Bowlsby killed the idea of expansion.
I would like to see a link or something to back up your statement. Because I do not believe this happened. It is contrary to everything I have read or heard.....and I hear a lot in the heart of Big12 country
(This post was last modified: 06-26-2015 09:49 AM by SMUmustangs.)
(06-25-2015 11:01 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: If the Big 12 does break up, who does the ACC get?
In my "Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten while Texas goes independent" scenario, I thought of a different twist. Texas sends its Olympic sports to the ACC, just like ND. It's a lame amount of travel, but it's only an hour difference in time zones, and it gets Texas more established as an East Coast entity (like Dallas in the NFC East for the NFL). They can set up a 4-games per year contract for football with the ACC schools to massage the arrangement (and help them fill their schedule).
The ACC can keep an 8-game schedule in conference even MORE easily than they currently are doing (with the extra ND and Texas games built in). For basketball, they'll have 16 teams. For football, they'll have 14 teams. Seems pretty symmetrical to me.
Not sure where the LHN fits in, but ND already has arrangements made to keep its football TV money.
And now everyone else comes up with their own version of what I have been saying for months now, hell...years.
You try to take to much credit for obvious things. But in this case. I will at least say that you among many many and myself included. Have talked about this for at least one year if not two.
Obvious?
Oh here we go. IF it was so obvious, then why was I the only one here saying for quite awhile that Maryland would join The Big Ten? Why was I the only one stating as an absolute fact that Harbaugh would join The Big Ten.
Now, why in the hells are you trying to say I am taking credit for obvious things when no one else but me has been a staunch advocate for this particular scenario and now all of a sudden when things are starting to happen, that I also mentioned in advance, suddenly these things are obvious?
You don't know what you are talking about if you actually believe that. Yes, you have been around longer than most but I don't think you have even been around as long as I have held on to this particular scenario. I don't jump around all over the place with ideas as most do.
I will be more that happy to give you credit for Maryland. But Harbaugh? I don't know about that. When Michigan kept dragging their feet even I could see that happening. As for Texas joining the ACC? About two year ago everybody was posting crap about that scenario and it is an Obvious scenario. It's not hard to imagine UT getting a Notre Dame like deal with the ACC.
(06-24-2015 07:43 PM)LSUtah Wrote: This is very similar to the narrative that was coming from Nebraska and Texas A&M a few years ago. Nice to see a school in the current Big12 alignment finally rattling sabers at an unsustainable situation, and the reality is Oklahoma is the only program left with enough cache to do so.
Lets not forget that West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU also spoke up about expansion recently as well. Could OU getting the feelings that some of the Big 12 schools might break away to another conference like Kansas to the Big 10? Someone could also be interested in TCU and West Virginia as well. Could the SEC settle for Okie State if OU do not go to them?
When did Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU advocate expansion????????? I have never heard this.
A couple of months ago before Bowlsby killed the idea of expansion.
I would like to see a link or something to back up your statement. Because I do not believe this happened. It is contrary to everything I have read or heard.....and I hear a lot in the heart of Big12 country
(06-25-2015 12:54 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote: In my "Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten while Texas goes independent" scenario, I thought of a different twist. Texas sends its Olympic sports to the ACC, just like ND. It's a lame amount of travel, but it's only an hour difference in time zones, and it gets Texas more established as an East Coast entity (like Dallas in the NFC East for the NFL). They can set up a 4-games per year contract for football with the ACC schools to massage the arrangement (and help them fill their schedule).
The ACC can keep an 8-game schedule in conference even MORE easily than they currently are doing (with the extra ND and Texas games built in). For basketball, they'll have 16 teams. For football, they'll have 14 teams. Seems pretty symmetrical to me.
Not sure where the LHN fits in, but ND already has arrangements made to keep its football TV money.
And now everyone else comes up with their own version of what I have been saying for months now, hell...years.
You try to take to much credit for obvious things. But in this case. I will at least say that you among many many and myself included. Have talked about this for at least one year if not two.
Obvious?
Oh here we go. IF it was so obvious, then why was I the only one here saying for quite awhile that Maryland would join The Big Ten? Why was I the only one stating as an absolute fact that Harbaugh would join The Big Ten.
Now, why in the hells are you trying to say I am taking credit for obvious things when no one else but me has been a staunch advocate for this particular scenario and now all of a sudden when things are starting to happen, that I also mentioned in advance, suddenly these things are obvious?
You don't know what you are talking about if you actually believe that. Yes, you have been around longer than most but I don't think you have even been around as long as I have held on to this particular scenario. I don't jump around all over the place with ideas as most do.
I will be more that happy to give you credit for Maryland. But Harbaugh? I don't know about that. When Michigan kept dragging their feet even I could see that happening. As for Texas joining the ACC? About two year ago everybody was posting crap about that scenario and it is an Obvious scenario. It's not hard to imagine UT getting a Notre Dame like deal with the ACC.
If Anyone here was of the mindset that it was a done deal that Harbaugh was going to Michigan than they were too afraid to say it. Even Michigan guys here were only willing to say they were wishing for all they were worth that it would come true but that the idea of actually landing Harbaugh was too much to count on.
Most of you, probably including you as well, thought it was impossible for such a successful NFL coach to actually want to go and coach in the college ranks due to all the extra hours of recruiting and what not that go along with the College job.
I on the other hand actually did my research into Harbaugh's past. One picture told me a thousand words.
Guess who that kid in the blue shirt is? Jim Harbaugh bled Maize and Yellow from a very early age.
So you can now try and doubt me on all these things but more often than not I am ahead of most folks when I actually make statements about a situation.
You can keep on trying to cut and paste small parts of my over all scenario in your continued attempts to come at me, but it's the overall picture of mine that no one else has and I have been absolutely rock solid at sticking with this one despite your attempts now to say otherwise.
Yes, some folks are just better at this than everyone else and of course some folks, you in this case, will try to denigrate that instead of congratulate it. So be it, you are a hater.
(This post was last modified: 06-26-2015 06:17 PM by He1nousOne.)
(06-25-2015 05:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: And now everyone else comes up with their own version of what I have been saying for months now, hell...years.
You try to take to much credit for obvious things. But in this case. I will at least say that you among many many and myself included. Have talked about this for at least one year if not two.
Obvious?
Oh here we go. IF it was so obvious, then why was I the only one here saying for quite awhile that Maryland would join The Big Ten? Why was I the only one stating as an absolute fact that Harbaugh would join The Big Ten.
Now, why in the hells are you trying to say I am taking credit for obvious things when no one else but me has been a staunch advocate for this particular scenario and now all of a sudden when things are starting to happen, that I also mentioned in advance, suddenly these things are obvious?
You don't know what you are talking about if you actually believe that. Yes, you have been around longer than most but I don't think you have even been around as long as I have held on to this particular scenario. I don't jump around all over the place with ideas as most do.
I will be more that happy to give you credit for Maryland. But Harbaugh? I don't know about that. When Michigan kept dragging their feet even I could see that happening. As for Texas joining the ACC? About two year ago everybody was posting crap about that scenario and it is an Obvious scenario. It's not hard to imagine UT getting a Notre Dame like deal with the ACC.
If Anyone here was of the mindset that it was a done deal that Harbaugh was going to Michigan than they were too afraid to say it. Even Michigan guys here were only willing to say they were wishing for all they were worth that it would come true but that the idea of actually landing Harbaugh was too much to count on.
Most of you, probably including you as well, thought it was impossible for such a successful NFL coach to actually want to go and coach in the college ranks due to all the extra hours of recruiting and what not that go along with the College job.
I on the other hand actually did my research into Harbaugh's past. One picture told me a thousand words.
Guess who that kid in the blue shirt is? Jim Harbaugh bled Maize and Yellow from a very early age.
So you can now try and doubt me on all these things but more often than not I am ahead of most folks when I actually make statements about a situation.
You can keep on trying to cut and paste small parts of my over all scenario in your continued attempts to come at me, but it's the overall picture of mine that no one else has and I have been absolutely rock solid at sticking with this one despite your attempts now to say otherwise.
Yes, some folks are just better at this than everyone else and of course some folks, you in this case, will try to denigrate that instead of congratulate it. So be it, you are a hater.
No Sir. I never think it is impossible for a coach to leave the pros. especially when that coach has been a successful college coach. A big time college job is better than a pro job. Mostly because college job have a lot more security and you don have to deal with player egos.
(This post was last modified: 06-26-2015 06:45 PM by hawghiggs.)
(06-25-2015 10:27 PM)hawghiggs Wrote: You try to take to much credit for obvious things. But in this case. I will at least say that you among many many and myself included. Have talked about this for at least one year if not two.
Obvious?
Oh here we go. IF it was so obvious, then why was I the only one here saying for quite awhile that Maryland would join The Big Ten? Why was I the only one stating as an absolute fact that Harbaugh would join The Big Ten.
Now, why in the hells are you trying to say I am taking credit for obvious things when no one else but me has been a staunch advocate for this particular scenario and now all of a sudden when things are starting to happen, that I also mentioned in advance, suddenly these things are obvious?
You don't know what you are talking about if you actually believe that. Yes, you have been around longer than most but I don't think you have even been around as long as I have held on to this particular scenario. I don't jump around all over the place with ideas as most do.
I will be more that happy to give you credit for Maryland. But Harbaugh? I don't know about that. When Michigan kept dragging their feet even I could see that happening. As for Texas joining the ACC? About two year ago everybody was posting crap about that scenario and it is an Obvious scenario. It's not hard to imagine UT getting a Notre Dame like deal with the ACC.
If Anyone here was of the mindset that it was a done deal that Harbaugh was going to Michigan than they were too afraid to say it. Even Michigan guys here were only willing to say they were wishing for all they were worth that it would come true but that the idea of actually landing Harbaugh was too much to count on.
Most of you, probably including you as well, thought it was impossible for such a successful NFL coach to actually want to go and coach in the college ranks due to all the extra hours of recruiting and what not that go along with the College job.
I on the other hand actually did my research into Harbaugh's past. One picture told me a thousand words.
Guess who that kid in the blue shirt is? Jim Harbaugh bled Maize and Yellow from a very early age.
So you can now try and doubt me on all these things but more often than not I am ahead of most folks when I actually make statements about a situation.
You can keep on trying to cut and paste small parts of my over all scenario in your continued attempts to come at me, but it's the overall picture of mine that no one else has and I have been absolutely rock solid at sticking with this one despite your attempts now to say otherwise.
Yes, some folks are just better at this than everyone else and of course some folks, you in this case, will try to denigrate that instead of congratulate it. So be it, you are a hater.
No Sir. I never think it is impossible for a coach to leave the pros. especially when that coach has been a successful college coach. A big time college job is better than a pro job. Mostly because college job have a lot more security and you don have to deal with player egos.
And in Harbaugh's case, he has an obsessive need for control. You cant have that as an NFL coach. The GM provides you a team for the most part, especially when you and your GM don't get along. In College though you control whom you recruit.
Congratulations if you were one of the few that thought Harbaugh would take the job but I don't remember you saying that or quite frankly Anyone here saying that besides myself. I could be wrong of course but I am pretty sure I am not wrong in that regard.
(06-25-2015 01:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote: Lets not forget that West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU also spoke up about expansion recently as well. Could OU getting the feelings that some of the Big 12 schools might break away to another conference like Kansas to the Big 10? Someone could also be interested in TCU and West Virginia as well. Could the SEC settle for Okie State if OU do not go to them?
When did Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU advocate expansion????????? I have never heard this.
A couple of months ago before Bowlsby killed the idea of expansion.
I would like to see a link or something to back up your statement. Because I do not believe this happened. It is contrary to everything I have read or heard.....and I hear a lot in the heart of Big12 country
Those articles are just the writer's opinion that the Big12 should expand. Oh Tramel says Castiglione and Stoops wanted Louisville and West Virginia...but that was several years ago they said that. One refers that Snyder would like a playoff game and the same article says Paul Rhodes is against it.
Sorry, but you have not provided any evidence to back up your statement that Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU want to expand.
The only thing remotely is Snyder saying he favored a playoff....but the Big12 is pushing for a playoff with 10 teams so that does not mean he wants expansion. Besides that, the Presidents are the ones that count, not coaches, and you have not shown that the President's of any of those schools favor expansion.
So I am still waiting for evidence that Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and TCU want expansion.
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(06-26-2015 02:58 PM)hawghiggs Wrote: I will be more that happy to give you credit for Maryland. But Harbaugh? I don't know about that. When Michigan kept dragging their feet even I could see that happening. As for Texas joining the ACC? About two year ago everybody was posting crap about that scenario and it is an Obvious scenario. It's not hard to imagine UT getting a Notre Dame like deal with the ACC.
H1 was saying Harbaugh to Michigan long before anyone else here. I spent my time then on the Michigan board and didn't want to jinx it by coming over here and saying something.
First things first, Hoke had to be fired, and H1 thought it would and should happen before anyone else.
And yes, "kooky-madooky" is a little tribute to Colin Cowherd, who was on a crusade to mock all Michigan fans for believing that Harbaugh would land at Michigan.
(This post was last modified: 06-26-2015 08:51 PM by SeaBlue.)
Is it so hard to believe that the school's most likely to be screwed by the B12 falling apart (ISU/KSU/TCU/BU) would be for ANYTHING (including expansion) that keeps their power conference life raft stable and viable?
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Did Boren just threaten UT?
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