(10-19-2015 12:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

You raise a good point, however sometimes it takes time. Pinkel went 37-35 in his first 6 years at Missouri once he left Toledo. Saban went 34-24-1 in 5 years and never won a bowl game at Michigan State after Toledo. Beckman went 12-25 in his 3 years at Illinois after Toledo. Finding a good coach is a risk. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. No one knew Jimbo was going to be a good coach. You're lucky that he turned out to be one. Not everyone is that lucky.

None of that has anything to do with mid-majors being able to consistently find good coaches while most of the ACC is consistently failing at that same task.

(10-19-2015 12:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

I believe that Syracuse can actually reel in the current Boise State HC. Let me explain why before you accuse me of being on crack. Syracuse just hired the Boise Athletic Director, Dr Thomas Coyle. He's now in charge of a pretty sizeable athletic Dept. He has hired several former Boise State folks at key positions at Syracuse, including the former director of compliance at Boise, hired just today. Its obvious that the new SU AD is very respected by his former Boise employees. The current Boise coach, Bryan Harsin is in his second year at Boise taking over for Chris Peterson, and hasn't missed a beat at this point. He was the Boise assit coach for like 5 years and also the HC at Arkansas St. He has moved around a bit, but even if he spends 3 years at SU and make the program respectable, it would be far easier to find a good replacement for him. Something tells me that he will be the next SU HC.

Not sure how good of a coach he is or is not.

(10-18-2015 04:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 10:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Atlantic Coast Confidential is putting together a list of potential hires already.

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/201...-hot-seat/

Off that list Doug Marrone wuld be my first phone call. He's a jerk, but he ran a clean program. And he wouldn't publicly say anything or do anything that would cause overly sensitive opposing fans to criticize him. On second thought, overly sensitive fans will find the smallest perceived slight to whine about, no matter what.


•Doug Marrone – “St. Doug” is credited with turning the SU football program around following the GRob debacle, with credit due to Shafer for his defense and recruiting. Now that Dougie has made his multi-millions in the NFL, would the SU alum return to his “dream job” to right the ship? Although most fans would resent him for departing the way he did, but I would be very excited to see Marrone back on the sidelines – especially with the influx of talent the program has had over the past few years. Look at what Marrone and Hackett were able to accomplish with Ryan Nassib; now imagine the possibilities with a more athletic version of Nassib and more weapons on offense.
•Greg Schiano – As everyone around me knows: I hate Rutgers, and Greg Schiano is a primary reason for that. The guy just looks like a shady coach and everyone outside of East Rutherford knows that Rutgers built-up their program feasting on lesser opponents and taking advantage of a weakened Big East. Having said that, the guy can recruit, and he can win.
•Bill Cubit – Scott Shafer has never shied-away from his coaching tree roots, and many of the current staffers share past coaching gigs with Shafer at schools like Northern Illinois and Western Michigan under Bill Cubit, so it is somewhat surprising that Cubit has not been part of the offensive coaching staff at SU under Shafer. Although Cubit has done very well this year with their interim coach, could the Illini want to get a “big name” in coaching and jettison Cubit? Another useless trivia factoid courtesy of Wikipedia: Bill Cubit’s brother, Mark, played basketball at SU under Jim Boeheim.
•Dino Babers – The typical route for getting coaches in the ACC is to pilfer head coaches from a non-P5 conference like the MAC. This has worked for NC St. and I think will eventually work for Wake the Forest. Syracuse would be remiss if they didn’t go after a talented, up-and-coming head coach like Babers who was 19-7 in two years at Eastern Illinois (14-1 in conference) and is currently 32-15 at Bowling Green. Ironically, Babers replaced Dave Clawson after the latter left to take the Head Coaching gig at WtF.
•Matt Campbell – Staying in the “hire from the MAC” vein, Toledo’s head coach, and winner of the Nick Foles look-alike contest, Matt Campbell, has been impressive in his four years at Toledo compiling a 32-13 record with 2 bowl wins. Unfortunately for Cuse fans, Campbell was the offensive coordinator in 2011 when Syracuse mysteriously made a missed PAT, so hopefully his grudge against the Orange has passed.
•Everett Withers – Nabbing an FCS coach may not go over well in the Syracuse blogosphere, where snarky comments are Syracuse’s chief export, but WIthers has had a great run at James Madison over the past 2 years (23-10) and was a finalist for the FCS Coach of Year. Further, he is no stranger to the ACC. Following the departure of Butch Davis at UNC, Withers was promoted to the Head Coaching position and filled-in during a difficult time for the Tar Heels. Of course, giving Syracuse’s recent difficulties with the NCAA, hiring a HC that was once part of a highly investigated program (and refused to help the investigation at UNC) is likely the last thing that the new AD wants to do.

We need Schiano and I need a shower for saying that.

(10-19-2015 02:26 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

I believe that Syracuse can actually reel in the current Boise State HC. Let me explain why before you accuse me of being on crack. Syracuse just hired the Boise Athletic Director, Dr Thomas Coyle. He's now in charge of a pretty sizeable athletic Dept. He has hired several former Boise State folks at key positions at Syracuse, including the former director of compliance at Boise, hired just today. Its obvious that the new SU AD is very respected by his former Boise employees. The current Boise coach, Bryan Harsin is in his second year at Boise taking over for Chris Peterson, and hasn't missed a beat at this point. He was the Boise assit coach for like 5 years and also the HC at Arkansas St. He has moved around a bit, but even if he spends 3 years at SU and make the program respectable, it would be far easier to find a good replacement for him. Something tells me that he will be the next SU HC.

Not sure how good of a coach he is or is not.

Especially considering the lack of success former Boise State have had elsewhere.

Dirk Koetter was mediocre at Arizona State
Dan Hawkins failed at Colorado
Chris Peterson has floundered thus far at Washington

The only former Boise coahc who went on to had success elsewhere has been Houston Nutt and he was only HC at Boise for one season and actually went 4-7 (Cal St-Northridge later forfeited a game they won 63-23 on the field)

(10-19-2015 02:19 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

You raise a good point, however sometimes it takes time. Pinkel went 37-35 in his first 6 years at Missouri once he left Toledo. Saban went 34-24-1 in 5 years and never won a bowl game at Michigan State after Toledo. Beckman went 12-25 in his 3 years at Illinois after Toledo. Finding a good coach is a risk. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. No one knew Jimbo was going to be a good coach. You're lucky that he turned out to be one. Not everyone is that lucky.

None of that has anything to do with mid-majors being able to consistently find good coaches while most of the ACC is consistently failing at that same task.

My point is when did they become good coaches. Nobody knew Saban was a good coach. Toledo just gave him a shot. He was mediocre at Michigan State. Same thing for Pinkel who was mediocre at Missouri at year 6. In today's world, both of them may have been fired before they even got to year 5.

And again, that has nothing to do with mid majors being able to consistently find good coaches while most of the ACC is failing at that same task.

(10-19-2015 02:57 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  And again, that has nothing to do with mid majors being able to consistently find good coaches while most of the ACC is failing at that same task.

Outside of Golden, Shafer (still might not be long enough), and London who else has failed at hiring a good coach?

(10-19-2015 03:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 02:57 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  And again, that has nothing to do with mid majors being able to consistently find good coaches while most of the ACC is failing at that same task.

Outside of Golden, Shafer (still might not be long enough), and London who else has failed at hiring a good coach?

North Carolina

Pitt (although mainly because they can't keep the ones they do hire)

BC (might not be long enough for the Dazzler, but Spaz was horrible)

NC State (might not be long enough for Doeren, but 3-15 in conference 2 1/2 years in makes Shafer look like John Heisman)


IMO Wake made a good hire in Clawson.....Grobe just left absolutely nothing for him to work with talent-wise, as witnessed by half of their depth chart for the UNC game being Clawson players.

(10-19-2015 03:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 03:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 02:57 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  And again, that has nothing to do with mid majors being able to consistently find good coaches while most of the ACC is failing at that same task.

Outside of Golden, Shafer (still might not be long enough), and London who else has failed at hiring a good coach?

North Carolina

Pitt (although mainly because they can't keep the ones they do hire)

BC (might not be long enough for the Dazzler, but Spaz was horrible)

NC State (might not be long enough for Doeren, but 3-15 in conference 2 1/2 years in makes Shafer look like John Heisman)


IMO Wake made a good hire in Clawson.....Grobe just left absolutely nothing for him to work with talent-wise, as witnessed by half of their depth chart for the UNC game being Clawson players.

Jury is still out on Fedora. If he doesn't win 10 games this year I would agree.

It's too early for Doeren and Addazio although I think Addazio is a good head coach. He just needs a QB.

Pitt just hired Narduzzi so maybe they have corrected their sins of the past.

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

There is no way Rhule leaves Temple for Cuse. Not to mention he makes as much as Shafer does.

(10-18-2015 01:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Never really understood the love affair that many Syracuse fans have had with him.

He can't coach

He can't recruit

About the only thing I have seen him accomplish is making himself out to be an idiot whenever he gets in front of a microphone.

the staff and him can/are recruiting very well which is why whatever happens this yr he probably will get a 1 yr extention with majority of the 2 deep coming back on both sides of the ball.Virginia loss was a tough one since we missed opportunities in the first quarter to be up at least 10-0 then we had the questionable fumble return for td vs incomplete. Then virginia's offense did better and our defense returned to form for this year. This week is win or else no bowl barrying a major upset vs clemson or at tallahassee

(10-19-2015 04:25 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

There is no way Rhule leaves Temple for Cuse. Not to mention he makes as much as Shafer does.

Why not? The salary issue wouldnt be an issue if he is a proven coach. Syracuse can certainly pay him more. If he took a job at Temple, why wouldnt he take a job at Syracuse? Anyway, he is not a proven coach at this point with this being his first winning season, so its a moot point.

(10-19-2015 04:43 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 04:25 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

There is no way Rhule leaves Temple for Cuse. Not to mention he makes as much as Shafer does.

Why not? The salary issue wouldnt be an issue if he is a proven coach. If he took a job at Temple, why wouldnt he take a job at Syracuse?

rhule would have cuse alum support since he was on staff with tom coughlin at giants

(10-19-2015 04:43 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 04:25 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

There is no way Rhule leaves Temple for Cuse. Not to mention he makes as much as Shafer does.

Why not? The salary issue wouldnt be an issue if he is a proven coach. If he took a job at Temple, why wouldnt he take a job at Syracuse?

I dont want to disrespect your program on your board, but let's just say I think Rhule and his family(!) love it here so much that it would take a certain level of program (read: Penn State) for him to uproot his family.

(10-19-2015 04:48 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 04:43 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 04:25 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

There is no way Rhule leaves Temple for Cuse. Not to mention he makes as much as Shafer does.

Why not? The salary issue wouldnt be an issue if he is a proven coach. If he took a job at Temple, why wouldnt he take a job at Syracuse?

I dont want to disrespect your program on your board, but let's just say I think Rhule and his family(!) love it here so much that it would take a certain level of program (read: Penn State) for him to uproot his family.

Are you able to state your reasons without being disrespectful? Sometimes its hard for folks to accept the fact that Power 5 schools have advantages that non P5 schools simply dont have. But besides that, Syracuse has been a traditional power that has been down more than up lately. The right coach can certainly win there even with recruiting obstacles.

(10-19-2015 04:37 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 01:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Never really understood the love affair that many Syracuse fans have had with him.

He can't coach

He can't recruit

About the only thing I have seen him accomplish is making himself out to be an idiot whenever he gets in front of a microphone.

the staff and him can/are recruiting very well which is why whatever happens this yr he probably will get a 1 yr extention with majority of the 2 deep coming back on both sides of the ball.Virginia loss was a tough one since we missed opportunities in the first quarter to be up at least 10-0 then we had the questionable fumble return for td vs incomplete. Then virginia's offense did better and our defense returned to form for this year. This week is win or else no bowl barrying a major upset vs clemson or at tallahassee

Are you serious?

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=ACC
Currently 11th in the ACC, and 11th in average points

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footbal...erence=ACC
2015 class was 12th in the ACC, and 14th in average points

http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Footbal...erence=ACC
2014 class was 10th in the ACC, and 12th in average points


If you think that is "recruiting well" I really hate to see what you think bad recruiting is.

I think he would be more likely to leave for somewhere with more built-in recruiting advantages like a Maryland or South Carolina. I know NJ isn't far, but it's still a different market entirely. I don't think Syracuse now being in a P5 conference means enough for him to tell his wife to quit her job at Temple so they can all move to Syracuse with three young kids.

(10-19-2015 04:25 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

There is no way Rhule leaves Temple for Cuse. Not to mention he makes as much as Shafer does.

You cannot actually believe that.

(10-19-2015 05:14 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 04:25 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

There is no way Rhule leaves Temple for Cuse. Not to mention he makes as much as Shafer does.

You cannot actually believe that.

Just watch.

(10-19-2015 03:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 02:57 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  And again, that has nothing to do with mid majors being able to consistently find good coaches while most of the ACC is failing at that same task.

Outside of Golden, Shafer (still might not be long enough), and London who else has failed at hiring a good coach?

Are you saying you think most of the ACC is doing well at hiring coaches?