(10-19-2015 05:15 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:14 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 04:25 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

There is no way Rhule leaves Temple for Cuse. Not to mention he makes as much as Shafer does.

You cannot actually believe that.

Just watch.

What am I watching for?

You seem to be asserting that he'll leave automatically for any P5 school.

For "any" school? No.

But you literally said "no way" it happens. You're the one making broad definitive proclamations.

(10-19-2015 06:05 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  For "any" school? No.

But you literally said "no way" it happens. You're the one making broad definitive proclamations.

I already outlined why I don't think it would be for Syracuse.

(10-19-2015 05:30 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 03:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 02:57 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  And again, that has nothing to do with mid majors being able to consistently find good coaches while most of the ACC is failing at that same task.

Outside of Golden, Shafer (still might not be long enough), and London who else has failed at hiring a good coach?

Are you saying you think most of the ACC is doing well at hiring coaches?

I want you to tell me in today's ACC who sucks at hiring a HC and needs a new one besides the three I named. Shafer still might be too early.

Cuse absolutely needs a new coach. So does GT.

NC State, Pitt, BC and UNC have bungled through hires.

Who does a poor job at finding good coaches? The majority of the ACC, like I said.

(10-19-2015 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Cuse absolutely needs a new coach. So does GT.

NC State, Pitt, BC and UNC have bungled through hires.

Who does a poor job at finding good coaches? The majority of the ACC, like I said.

Yes they have bungled through hires in the past, but what about NOW. Are you saying all of those schools need a new coach NOW?

(10-19-2015 05:02 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 04:37 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 01:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Never really understood the love affair that many Syracuse fans have had with him.

He can't coach

He can't recruit

About the only thing I have seen him accomplish is making himself out to be an idiot whenever he gets in front of a microphone.

the staff and him can/are recruiting very well which is why whatever happens this yr he probably will get a 1 yr extention with majority of the 2 deep coming back on both sides of the ball.Virginia loss was a tough one since we missed opportunities in the first quarter to be up at least 10-0 then we had the questionable fumble return for td vs incomplete. Then virginia's offense did better and our defense returned to form for this year. This week is win or else no bowl barrying a major upset vs clemson or at tallahassee

Are you serious?

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=ACC
Currently 11th in the ACC, and 11th in average points

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footbal...erence=ACC
2015 class was 12th in the ACC, and 14th in average points

http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Footbal...erence=ACC
2014 class was 10th in the ACC, and 12th in average points


If you think that is "recruiting well" I really hate to see what you think bad recruiting is.

this year the number will be higher once we finish our class since we are at 14 currently expecting at least 20. At syracuse we will never be top end recruiting since football play in ny state is down.Also factoring in the big transfer we picked up 5 star te Chris Clark from ucla

(10-19-2015 07:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Cuse absolutely needs a new coach. So does GT.

NC State, Pitt, BC and UNC have bungled through hires.

Who does a poor job at finding good coaches? The majority of the ACC, like I said.

Yes they have bungled through hires in the past, but what about NOW. Are you saying all of those schools need a new coach NOW?

You realize that was my ENTIRE point, right?

GT, UVA and VT need new coaches NOW. If Miami doesn't go 6-2 in ACC play or if Cuse doesn't make a bowl, they both need new coaches, too.

Pitt and Wake are TBD.

I think NC State will be looking for a new coach in one-year's time. UNC and BC are in that gray area right now.

(10-19-2015 08:17 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Cuse absolutely needs a new coach. So does GT.

NC State, Pitt, BC and UNC have bungled through hires.

Who does a poor job at finding good coaches? The majority of the ACC, like I said.

Yes they have bungled through hires in the past, but what about NOW. Are you saying all of those schools need a new coach NOW?

You realize that was my ENTIRE point, right?

GT, UVA and VT need new coaches NOW. If Miami doesn't go 6-2 in ACC play or if Cuse doesn't make a bowl, they both need new coaches, too.

Pitt and Wake are TBD.

I think NC State will be looking for a new coach in one-year's time. UNC and BC are in that gray area right now.

You are wrong about NC State looking in a year's time. DD wasn't told the depth of the hole at NC State when he was hired so he's got a minimum of five years.

(10-19-2015 08:17 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Cuse absolutely needs a new coach. So does GT.

NC State, Pitt, BC and UNC have bungled through hires.

Who does a poor job at finding good coaches? The majority of the ACC, like I said.

Yes they have bungled through hires in the past, but what about NOW. Are you saying all of those schools need a new coach NOW?

You realize that was my ENTIRE point, right?

GT, UVA and VT need new coaches NOW. If Miami doesn't go 6-2 in ACC play or if Cuse doesn't make a bowl, they both need new coaches, too.

Pitt and Wake are TBD.

I think NC State will be looking for a new coach in one-year's time. UNC and BC are in that gray area right now.

Even the great Alabama has bungled through coaching hires (pre Saban). No one is immune to it. How many coaches has USC had since Pete Carroll? How many has Florida had since Spurrier left?

You complain about Paul Johnson. He has more accomplishments at GT than Saban had at Michigan State or Pinkel had at Missouri yet they're good coaches but Johnson is not.

We agree on London. He's had long enough. Beamer was a good coach, but like Bowden it's time for him to hang it up. We agree on Golden. He's had long enough too. Shafer is a gray area. If he finishes 3-9 again then yes he should be shown the door. Addazio is fine. It's his third year. First two years they finished 7-6. So he gets more time. This is Fedora's year. If they get to 9 or 10 wins then he stays. He just needed to find a DC.

You act like the ACC is the only conference that has had trouble finding head coaches.

Like I said before. You guys got lucky. Jimbo had never been a HC before. You didn't know what you were going to get. It worked out for you.

(10-19-2015 08:38 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:17 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Cuse absolutely needs a new coach. So does GT.

NC State, Pitt, BC and UNC have bungled through hires.

Who does a poor job at finding good coaches? The majority of the ACC, like I said.

Yes they have bungled through hires in the past, but what about NOW. Are you saying all of those schools need a new coach NOW?

You realize that was my ENTIRE point, right?

GT, UVA and VT need new coaches NOW. If Miami doesn't go 6-2 in ACC play or if Cuse doesn't make a bowl, they both need new coaches, too.

Pitt and Wake are TBD.

I think NC State will be looking for a new coach in one-year's time. UNC and BC are in that gray area right now.

Even the great Alabama has bungled through coaching hires (pre Saban). No one is immune to it. How many coaches has USC had since Pete Carroll? How many has Florida had since Spurrier left?

You complain about Paul Johnson. He has more accomplishments at GT than Saban had at Michigan State or Pinkel had at Missouri yet they're good coaches but Johnson is not.

We agree on London. He's had long enough. Beamer was a good coach, but like Bowden it's time for him to hang it up. We agree on Golden. He's had long enough too. Shafer is a gray area. If he finishes 3-9 again then yes he should be shown the door. Addazio is fine. It's his third year. First two years they finished 7-6. So he gets more time. This is Fedora's year. If they get to 9 or 10 wins then he stays. He just needed to find a DC.

You act like the ACC is the only conference that has had trouble finding head coaches.

Like I said before. You guys got lucky. Jimbo had never been a HC before. You didn't know what you were going to get. It worked out for you.

Coaching is a lot easier when you start with the best talent. Below a certain level of talent, Saban, Meyer, or Lombardi couldn't win.

So you agree that most of the ACC is poor at hiring good coaches.

Look at Pinkel's record since 2007 (80-34, .702). He is a vastly superior coach to Johnson. And he's doing it in Missouri, not smack dab in the middle of the second best recruiting territory in the entire eastern US. Pinkel took over a program that had just 2 winning seasons out of the previous 17. Pinkel's had just 4 losing seasons out of his 15 there, a huge turnaround.

Saban took over an MSU program that had gone a combined 78-90-4 the 16 seasons before he was hired. MSU's record improved during his 5 years there, culminating in a 9-2 regular season, top 10 ranking and Citrus Bowl berth.

Paul Johnson went .500 during his 5th season at GT, a huge downgrade from 9-4 and 10-3 his first 2 seasons with Gailey's recruits. From 2010-2015, he's gone 41-33 (.554). Even if you include his first two seasons, his record is 60-40 at GT and doesn't sniff Pinkel's.

GT's on the verge of their worst season in 20 years. GT wasn't a program in complete disarray like MSU and Mizzou. They were coming of 11-straight bowl games and hadn't had a losing season in 12 years when Johnson came aboard.

But do keep telling me how great Paul Johnson is.

(10-19-2015 08:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:38 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:17 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Cuse absolutely needs a new coach. So does GT.

NC State, Pitt, BC and UNC have bungled through hires.

Who does a poor job at finding good coaches? The majority of the ACC, like I said.

Yes they have bungled through hires in the past, but what about NOW. Are you saying all of those schools need a new coach NOW?

You realize that was my ENTIRE point, right?

GT, UVA and VT need new coaches NOW. If Miami doesn't go 6-2 in ACC play or if Cuse doesn't make a bowl, they both need new coaches, too.

Pitt and Wake are TBD.

I think NC State will be looking for a new coach in one-year's time. UNC and BC are in that gray area right now.

Even the great Alabama has bungled through coaching hires (pre Saban). No one is immune to it. How many coaches has USC had since Pete Carroll? How many has Florida had since Spurrier left?

You complain about Paul Johnson. He has more accomplishments at GT than Saban had at Michigan State or Pinkel had at Missouri yet they're good coaches but Johnson is not.

We agree on London. He's had long enough. Beamer was a good coach, but like Bowden it's time for him to hang it up. We agree on Golden. He's had long enough too. Shafer is a gray area. If he finishes 3-9 again then yes he should be shown the door. Addazio is fine. It's his third year. First two years they finished 7-6. So he gets more time. This is Fedora's year. If they get to 9 or 10 wins then he stays. He just needed to find a DC.

You act like the ACC is the only conference that has had trouble finding head coaches.

Like I said before. You guys got lucky. Jimbo had never been a HC before. You didn't know what you were going to get. It worked out for you.

Coaching is a lot easier when you start with the best talent. Below a certain level of talent, Saban, Meyer, or Lombardi couldn't win.

Kind of like how Doeren is 3-15 in ACC play but all of his losses are against FSU and Clemson? You said it, not me.

(10-19-2015 09:12 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  So you agree that most of the ACC is poor at hiring good coaches.

Look at Pinkel's record since 2007 (80-34, .702). He is a vastly superior coach to Johnson. And he's doing it in Missouri, not smack dab in the middle of the second best recruiting territory in the entire eastern US. Pinkel took over a program that had just 2 winning seasons out of the previous 17. Pinkel's had just 4 losing seasons out of his 15 there, a huge turnaround.

Saban took over an MSU program that had gone a combined 78-90-4 the 16 seasons before he was hired. MSU's record improved during his 5 years there, culminating in a 9-2 regular season, top 10 ranking and Citrus Bowl berth.

Paul Johnson went .500 during his 5th season at GT, a huge downgrade from 9-4 and 10-3 his first 2 seasons with Gailey's recruits. From 2010-2015, he's gone 41-33 (.554). Even if you include his first two seasons, his record is 60-40 at GT and doesn't sniff Pinkel's.

GT's on the verge of their worst season in 20 years. GT wasn't a program in complete disarray like MSU and Mizzou. They were coming of 11-straight bowl games and hadn't had a losing season in 12 years when Johnson came aboard.

But do keep telling me how great Paul Johnson is.

I didn't say Paul Johnson was great. Pinkel was mediocre at Missouri in his first 6 years. Saban was mediocre at Michigan State. In your book, they both would have been fired.

Just lol.

I'm done with you.

(10-19-2015 09:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Just lol.

I'm done with you.

You can be done but it's true. You said you'd get rid of Shafer who's been with Cuse for 3 years. You are ready to throw Doeren away--3 years. You're not a fan of Addazio--3 years. If Jimbo has posted his 4 consecutive 7-6 season..guess what you'd be saying.

(10-19-2015 09:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 09:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Just lol.

I'm done with you.

You can be done but it's true. You said you'd get rid of Shafer who's been with Cuse for 3 years. You are ready to throw Doeren away--3 years. You're not a fan of Addazio--3 years. If Jimbo has posted his 4 consecutive 7-6 season..guess what you'd be saying.

"If Jimbo has posted his 4 consecutive 7-6 season.." Now wait a minute! Are you saying it's wrong to fire someone based on 4 years' worth of poor performance? REALLY?

I think you get a pass for one bad year - especially if you have performed at a high level in the past. Anyone can have a bad year at work, but four in a row (even 3) is not a short-term problem - it's a trend.

(10-20-2015 08:16 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 09:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 09:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Just lol.

I'm done with you.

You can be done but it's true. You said you'd get rid of Shafer who's been with Cuse for 3 years. You are ready to throw Doeren away--3 years. You're not a fan of Addazio--3 years. If Jimbo has posted his 4 consecutive 7-6 season..guess what you'd be saying.

"If Jimbo has posted his 4 consecutive 7-6 season.." Now wait a minute! Are you saying it's wrong to fire someone based on 4 years' worth of poor performance? REALLY?

I think you get a pass for one bad year - especially if you have performed at a high level in the past. Anyone can have a bad year at work, but four in a row (even 3) is not a short-term problem - it's a trend.

Yeah you would think that, but Marge says he wouldn't have fired Saban and Pinkel even though that's what they did at Michigan St and Missouri. However, he would fire Shafer, Doeren, Addazio, Johnson for doing the same thing.

(10-20-2015 08:25 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 08:16 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 09:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 09:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Just lol.

I'm done with you.

You can be done but it's true. You said you'd get rid of Shafer who's been with Cuse for 3 years. You are ready to throw Doeren away--3 years. You're not a fan of Addazio--3 years. If Jimbo has posted his 4 consecutive 7-6 season..guess what you'd be saying.

"If Jimbo has posted his 4 consecutive 7-6 season.." Now wait a minute! Are you saying it's wrong to fire someone based on 4 years' worth of poor performance? REALLY?

I think you get a pass for one bad year - especially if you have performed at a high level in the past. Anyone can have a bad year at work, but four in a row (even 3) is not a short-term problem - it's a trend.

Yeah you would think that, but Marge says he wouldn't have fired Saban and Pinkel even though that's what they did at Michigan St and Missouri. However, he would fire Shafer, Doeren, Addazio, Johnson for doing the same thing.

Well, if Marge were in charge he would simply shut down the football programs at those schools ala UAB...