(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:23 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  By both state-funding and support you'd be correct...but by name you are not. If we were Ohio Polytechnical Institute (ie Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, etc.) we would've been in a power conference years ago.

Using "flagship" as a defining term for the University of New Mexico is an affront to the word. I'd rather be a support cruiser in the US Navy than the flagship of the Serbian Navy...



Population of state of New Mexico: 2,086,000
Population of Orlando Metro: 2,134,400
Population of Cincinnati Metro: 2,217,800
Population of state of Connecticut: 3,597,100
Population of Tampa Metro: 4,310,520
Population of Philadelphia Metro: 6,051,100
Population of Houston Metro: 6,490,200

So you are using New Mexico as a way to say that the state land grant, flagship university designation doesn't count because it's located in a small state? Have you ever been to New Mexico? They have branches of their school and UNM hospitals in almost every town in their state. They are the probably the biggest employer in their state. What's your problem with them?
Cheers!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Ask anyone in higher education...you go to a state like New Mexico, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, etc. when you have absolutely no other options. As I said before, being a flagship means nothing when you're the flagship of a fleet of rubber duckies.

Your entitled to your opinion. I hope it's based on your own personal experience visiting the places you've cited. I've been to Cincy. Beautiful campus. Been many other places as well.
"It's a big and beautiful world. Most of us live and die in our little corner without seeing it. I'm not "most of us"
Cheers!

As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

(07-20-2016 03:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:23 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 02:56 PM)chatcat Wrote:  Cincinnati is more of a "flagship" than half of the so called flagships in the country.

By both state-funding and support you'd be correct...but by name you are not. If we were Ohio Polytechnical Institute (ie Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, etc.) we would've been in a power conference years ago.

Using "flagship" as a defining term for the University of New Mexico is an affront to the word. I'd rather be a support cruiser in the US Navy than the flagship of the Serbian Navy...



Population of state of New Mexico: 2,086,000
Population of Orlando Metro: 2,134,400
Population of Cincinnati Metro: 2,217,800
Population of state of Connecticut: 3,597,100
Population of Tampa Metro: 4,310,520
Population of Philadelphia Metro: 6,051,100
Population of Houston Metro: 6,490,200

So you are using New Mexico as a way to say that the state land grant, flagship university designation doesn't count because it's located in a small state? Have you ever been to New Mexico? They have branches of their school and UNM hospitals in almost every town in their state. They are the probably the biggest employer in their state. What's your problem with them?
Cheers!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Ask anyone in higher education...you go to a state like New Mexico, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, etc. when you have absolutely no other options. As I said before, being a flagship means nothing when you're the flagship of a fleet of rubber duckies.

Your entitled to your opinion. I hope it's based on your own personal experience visiting the places you've cited. I've been to Cincy. Beautiful campus. Been many other places as well.
"It's a big and beautiful world. Most of us live and die in our little corner without seeing it. I'm not "most of us"
Cheers!

I absolutely love those states (I have made multiple ski trips to Montana and golfed around Coer d'Alene), I'm making those statements from a strictly educational standpoint.

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:23 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  So you are using New Mexico as a way to say that the state land grant, flagship university designation doesn't count because it's located in a small state? Have you ever been to New Mexico? They have branches of their school and UNM hospitals in almost every town in their state. They are the probably the biggest employer in their state. What's your problem with them?
Cheers!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Ask anyone in higher education...you go to a state like New Mexico, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, etc. when you have absolutely no other options. As I said before, being a flagship means nothing when you're the flagship of a fleet of rubber duckies.

Your entitled to your opinion. I hope it's based on your own personal experience visiting the places you've cited. I've been to Cincy. Beautiful campus. Been many other places as well.
"It's a big and beautiful world. Most of us live and die in our little corner without seeing it. I'm not "most of us"
Cheers!

As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

They are part of the UC system. They are not Los Angeles university.

(07-20-2016 03:53 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:23 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Ask anyone in higher education...you go to a state like New Mexico, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, etc. when you have absolutely no other options. As I said before, being a flagship means nothing when you're the flagship of a fleet of rubber duckies.

Your entitled to your opinion. I hope it's based on your own personal experience visiting the places you've cited. I've been to Cincy. Beautiful campus. Been many other places as well.
"It's a big and beautiful world. Most of us live and die in our little corner without seeing it. I'm not "most of us"
Cheers!

As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

They are part of the UC system. They are not Los Angeles university.

They are like UNC Charlotte. Except they're grandfathered into the club, so it's irrelevant.

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

Strictly speaking, so is Cal, UNC, and Illinois, but that's being a bit pedantic. With that being said, I'm not sure how someone can make a subset of "city/Private" and not include Houston in that mix. I hope you (EDLUVAR) don't think Cincinnati/Memphis/Temple...and to push further Pitt...are Private schools...because they most decidedly are not. There are many private schools named after cities (Miami FL, St. Louis, Chicago, Syracuse, Tulsa to name a few), but those three are very public and a rooted in municipal foundations much in the same way that Houston is.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...-sorry-smu

man.... check out the comments. USF fans piling on and freaking out.

(07-20-2016 03:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

Strictly speaking, so is Cal, UNC, and Illinois, but that's being a bit pedantic. With that being said, I'm not sure how someone can make a subset of "city/Private" and not include Houston in that mix. I hope you (EDLUVAR) don't think Cincinnati/Memphis/Temple...and to push further Pitt...are Private schools...because they most decidedly are not. There are many private schools named after cities (Miami FL, St. Louis, Chicago, Syracuse, Tulsa to name a few), but those three are very public and a rooted in municipal foundations much in the same way that Houston is.

And they fit perfectly for the ACC and big12. P12 is much more snobbish. Their commish had to get on his knees to have them at Colorado and Utah.

(07-20-2016 03:57 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

Strictly speaking, so is Cal, UNC, and Illinois, but that's being a bit pedantic. With that being said, I'm not sure how someone can make a subset of "city/Private" and not include Houston in that mix. I hope you (EDLUVAR) don't think Cincinnati/Memphis/Temple...and to push further Pitt...are Private schools...because they most decidedly are not. There are many private schools named after cities (Miami FL, St. Louis, Chicago, Syracuse, Tulsa to name a few), but those three are very public and a rooted in municipal foundations much in the same way that Houston is.

And they fit perfectly for the ACC and big12. P12 is much more snobbish. Their commish had to get on his knees to have them at Colorado and Utah.

You also forget money is king and if Houston brings in the $$$ while hurting the competition thats simply a smart business move. Wether the school is land grant or whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that matters in college athletics is $$$ period.

(07-20-2016 03:57 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

Strictly speaking, so is Cal, UNC, and Illinois, but that's being a bit pedantic. With that being said, I'm not sure how someone can make a subset of "city/Private" and not include Houston in that mix. I hope you (EDLUVAR) don't think Cincinnati/Memphis/Temple...and to push further Pitt...are Private schools...because they most decidedly are not. There are many private schools named after cities (Miami FL, St. Louis, Chicago, Syracuse, Tulsa to name a few), but those three are very public and a rooted in municipal foundations much in the same way that Houston is.

And they fit perfectly for the ACC and big12. P12 is much more snobbish. Their commish had to get on his knees to have them at Colorado and Utah.

My mistake, I read P12 as P5.

(07-20-2016 04:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:57 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

Strictly speaking, so is Cal, UNC, and Illinois, but that's being a bit pedantic. With that being said, I'm not sure how someone can make a subset of "city/Private" and not include Houston in that mix. I hope you (EDLUVAR) don't think Cincinnati/Memphis/Temple...and to push further Pitt...are Private schools...because they most decidedly are not. There are many private schools named after cities (Miami FL, St. Louis, Chicago, Syracuse, Tulsa to name a few), but those three are very public and a rooted in municipal foundations much in the same way that Houston is.

And they fit perfectly for the ACC and big12. P12 is much more snobbish. Their commish had to get on his knees to have them at Colorado and Utah.

You also forget money is king and if Houston brings in the $$$ while hurting the competition thats simply a smart business move. Wether the school is land grant or whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that matters in college athletics is $$$ period.

Not for the pac and big10. They operate differently. They want Texas and Oklahoma. They won't take BYU because of their mingleing in gay marriage is n California, or any city schools. They are truely unique.

Here it is. Big12 needs to start locally.
Houston
Memphis
Colorado State
BYU
Fans of existing Big12 need/want to create rivalries and good games locally. Big12 isn't the SEC and have the strength to grab a geographic outlier like WVU again.

Sorry but Orlando, Cinn and UConn are all Pro towns/areas. Locals don't get up and excited for college games in those areas. People in Orlando are going to rush to a game to watch UCF vs Texas Tech.

(07-20-2016 04:24 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Here it is. Big12 needs to start locally.
Houston
Memphis
Colorado State
BYU
Fans of existing Big12 need/want to create rivalries and good games locally. Big12 isn't the SEC and have the strength to grab a geographic outlier like WVU again.

Sorry but Orlando, Cinn and UConn are all Pro towns/areas. Locals don't get up and excited for college games in those areas. People in Orlando are going to rush to a game to watch UCF vs Texas Tech.

Your opinions are fine, but I wouldn't call Orlando a pro town cause of the Magic and Orlando city fc. Also, yes, people in Orlando would rush to see UCF vs Texas tech.

(07-20-2016 04:17 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:57 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Except ucla is a city school....

Strictly speaking, so is Cal, UNC, and Illinois, but that's being a bit pedantic. With that being said, I'm not sure how someone can make a subset of "city/Private" and not include Houston in that mix. I hope you (EDLUVAR) don't think Cincinnati/Memphis/Temple...and to push further Pitt...are Private schools...because they most decidedly are not. There are many private schools named after cities (Miami FL, St. Louis, Chicago, Syracuse, Tulsa to name a few), but those three are very public and a rooted in municipal foundations much in the same way that Houston is.

And they fit perfectly for the ACC and big12. P12 is much more snobbish. Their commish had to get on his knees to have them at Colorado and Utah.

You also forget money is king and if Houston brings in the $$$ while hurting the competition thats simply a smart business move. Wether the school is land grant or whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that matters in college athletics is $$$ period.

Not for the pac and big10. They operate differently. They want Texas and Oklahoma. They won't take BYU because of their mingleing in gay marriage is n California, or any city schools. They are truely unique.

They will never get either of those schools due to the GOR. So unless the pac-12 comish is a moron he realizes the only thing that matters is money. If you don't stay ahead of the competition you risk becoming like the big has been for several years. Houston is the only smart business decision that would keep the pac-12 ahead of the big 12.

Even colin cowherd on twitter is saying the pac-12 will be in trouble if the big 12 expands. The only way for the pac-12 to mitigate the big 12 competition is to steal their major market and their best recruiting ground.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheHerd/statu...7325489152

please oh please let UCONN & the Bearcats be the first 2 universities into the Big XII expansion...We would love to have our old Big East brothers in the fold! Plus, I hope they take 2 more...this is great news..just great..

(07-20-2016 03:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:48 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:41 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions

Except ucla is a city school....

Strictly speaking, so is Cal, UNC, and Illinois, but that's being a bit pedantic.

And Michigan and Texas and Wisconsin and Ohio State and Penn State and Colorado. Plenty of the flagship state institutions technically have a city distinction but they sure aren't "city schools".

(07-20-2016 04:24 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Here it is. Big12 needs to start locally.
Houston
Memphis
Colorado State
BYU
Fans of existing Big12 need/want to create rivalries and good games locally. Big12 isn't the SEC and have the strength to grab a geographic outlier like WVU again.

Sorry but Orlando, Cinn and UConn are all Pro towns/areas. Locals don't get up and excited for college games in those areas. People in Orlando are going to rush to a game to watch UCF vs Texas Tech.

pretty stupid reasoning. keep putting your blinders on. when we field a team with a coach whose foot is not halfway out the door retiring, we drew a great crowd with your run of the mill G5 teams coming to bright house. when we had P5 teams, we packed the place.

dont make stupid statements that are easy to debunk.

(07-20-2016 04:35 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:17 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:57 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Strictly speaking, so is Cal, UNC, and Illinois, but that's being a bit pedantic. With that being said, I'm not sure how someone can make a subset of "city/Private" and not include Houston in that mix. I hope you (EDLUVAR) don't think Cincinnati/Memphis/Temple...and to push further Pitt...are Private schools...because they most decidedly are not. There are many private schools named after cities (Miami FL, St. Louis, Chicago, Syracuse, Tulsa to name a few), but those three are very public and a rooted in municipal foundations much in the same way that Houston is.

And they fit perfectly for the ACC and big12. P12 is much more snobbish. Their commish had to get on his knees to have them at Colorado and Utah.

You also forget money is king and if Houston brings in the $$$ while hurting the competition thats simply a smart business move. Wether the school is land grant or whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that matters in college athletics is $$$ period.

Not for the pac and big10. They operate differently. They want Texas and Oklahoma. They won't take BYU because of their mingleing in gay marriage is n California, or any city schools. They are truely unique.

They will never get either of those schools due to the GOR. So unless the pac-12 comish is a moron he realizes the only thing that matters is money. If you don't stay ahead of the competition you risk becoming like the big has been for several years. Houston is the only smart business decision that would keep the pac-12 ahead of the big 12.

Even colin cowherd on twitter is saying the pac-12 will be in trouble if the big 12 expands. The only way for the pac-12 to mitigate the big 12 competition is to steal their major market and their best recruiting ground.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheHerd/statu...7325489152

Do you think the PAC is hurting for $ or something? They are only behind the sec and big for revenue. I doubt they give 2 chits what the big12 does unless it forces Texas and Oklahoma out.

(07-20-2016 04:53 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:35 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:17 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:57 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  And they fit perfectly for the ACC and big12. P12 is much more snobbish. Their commish had to get on his knees to have them at Colorado and Utah.

You also forget money is king and if Houston brings in the $$$ while hurting the competition thats simply a smart business move. Wether the school is land grant or whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that matters in college athletics is $$$ period.

Not for the pac and big10. They operate differently. They want Texas and Oklahoma. They won't take BYU because of their mingleing in gay marriage is n California, or any city schools. They are truely unique.

They will never get either of those schools due to the GOR. So unless the pac-12 comish is a moron he realizes the only thing that matters is money. If you don't stay ahead of the competition you risk becoming like the big has been for several years. Houston is the only smart business decision that would keep the pac-12 ahead of the big 12.

Even colin cowherd on twitter is saying the pac-12 will be in trouble if the big 12 expands. The only way for the pac-12 to mitigate the big 12 competition is to steal their major market and their best recruiting ground.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheHerd/statu...7325489152

Do you think the PAC is hurting for $ or something? They are only behind the sec and big for revenue. I doubt they give 2 chits what the big12 does unless it forces Texas and Oklahoma out.

Actually the pac is behind the B10 and the sec, with the acc starting to pull ahead.

(07-20-2016 04:43 PM)jtwvu87 Wrote:  please oh please let UCONN & the Bearcats be the first 2 universities into the Big XII expansion...We would love to have our old Big East brothers in the fold! Plus, I hope they take 2 more...this is great news..just great..

We'd love to see you guys as well. I still remember the last WVU/UC football game at Paul Brown Stadium. WVU won as UC missed a field goal as time expired. That was such an exciting game. I'd also love to see Huggs make a few trips back to Cincinnati for a good basketball rivalry.

(07-20-2016 05:00 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:53 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:35 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:17 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  You also forget money is king and if Houston brings in the $$$ while hurting the competition thats simply a smart business move. Wether the school is land grant or whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that matters in college athletics is $$$ period.

Not for the pac and big10. They operate differently. They want Texas and Oklahoma. They won't take BYU because of their mingleing in gay marriage is n California, or any city schools. They are truely unique.

They will never get either of those schools due to the GOR. So unless the pac-12 comish is a moron he realizes the only thing that matters is money. If you don't stay ahead of the competition you risk becoming like the big has been for several years. Houston is the only smart business decision that would keep the pac-12 ahead of the big 12.

Even colin cowherd on twitter is saying the pac-12 will be in trouble if the big 12 expands. The only way for the pac-12 to mitigate the big 12 competition is to steal their major market and their best recruiting ground.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheHerd/statu...7325489152

Do you think the PAC is hurting for $ or something? They are only behind the sec and big for revenue. I doubt they give 2 chits what the big12 does unless it forces Texas and Oklahoma out.

Actually the pac is behind the B10 and the sec, with the acc starting to pull ahead.

So why would they dilute their brand? They already have a tv deal and have shown to like AAU land grant schools. Unc, cal, and ucla won't let BYU in because of politics. They didn't want Baylor or oky light because of academics but you think they would add Houston?