(10-04-2016 07:44 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 04:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 02:58 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 09:02 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm sorry, but I completely stopped watching the NFL after the Kaepernick debacle. My cousin offered me free tickets to an Eagles game later this year, which I will politely decline.

I refuse to support such disrespect for our heroes of our nation. Protesting wrongs are both welcomed and encouraged but there are better ways to protest, ways that don't hurt the vets who fought and died for our country.

Anyone remember Pat Tillman? How do you think he would feel about what has happened?

I can only hope that the counter protest of this particular action grow faster then the protest themselves.

http://blog.ecu.edu/sites/dailyclips/blo...able-news/

How much money and/or time do you devote to helping veterans and their families?

Only Pat Tillman could answer your question. But I will tell you that my uncle who fought in Vietnam thinks all this outrage is ridiculous by many who don't care about what's happening to vets when they come home. He says he fought for the right of all Americans to choose and that includes standing for the National Anthem.

Spot on. It amazes me how people are saying that the protestors are disrespecting are vets but yet there are so many that are homeless and without jobs. I bet if you asked those same ones who are in an uproar do they donate to the VA or even volunteer their time to help then find jobs they probably couldn't even answer.

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And this is the truth.

I saw kids playing while kneeling in the video.

(10-04-2016 08:01 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I saw kids playing while kneeling in the video.

"Some kids"

(10-04-2016 05:58 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:48 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 08:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They have the right to protest, and we have the right to protest that protest. Those on scholarship who were involved should lose those scholarships. Not be kicked out of school, but loose the free ride.

Band members are not on scholarship.

If you start retaliating against people who have different view points where do you draw the line?

The protest has nothing to do with the military. It's a peaceful protest people who disagree with the direction this country is going and perceived lack of fairness and justice.

Should we fire professors who disagree with state politics?

It's a slippery slope, but the moment we start banning free speech it completely contradicts the mission our brave soldiers risk their lives to defend.

Sadly many ppl have your point of view and just don't really understand what democracy really means.

They receive compensation from the ******* university that donors give as charity. They are on the field to sing one song that is all. I guess we should let everyone who wants on the field to hold protest on whateve hurt thier feelings that day and just cancel the game? You have no idea about North Carolina politics and the Arron military presence in the area and to you sir


Boooooo

This has nothing to do with the military. Last time I checked the Star Spangled Banner belonged to all Americans, not just service men.

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

^^^

This...

First, the members of the Marching Pirates do receive compensation.

Secondly, it's a privilege to be a member of the Band, not a right. They also agreed to follow a code of conduct which kneeling and refusing to play and keep uniformity violated that code of conduct.

Thirdly, the first amendment only protects from the government taking action against you, and as far as protests go that applies to all public spaces. The field of Dowdy-Ficklin Stadium on game while public property (state owned) it's not a public space. It is a closed athletic field with restricted access. If you allow the band members to protest you would have to allow any member of the public access to protest at the same time. But, none of have access to the field therefore our right to protest isn't allowed on the same field under that restricted access. The school can prevent or disallow the members to protest on the field without violating the students' rights. They can take off their uniforms and sit/kneel in the stands just not in a band uniforms while representing the University.

Forth, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, only the government can't arrest you, jail you or prevent you from protesting or kill you for protesting.

Im fine with the protest (though I think the national anthem is a poorly chosen target---these deaths have virtually no connection with the federal government). Im also fine with the booing. That's free speech as well. That's what people never seem to get. Free speech means the government will not interfere with your right to make a statement. That doesn't mean there wont be any consequences or repercussions from individuals, the general public, employers, or other organizations.

(10-04-2016 07:33 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 07:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 06:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:24 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  LOL. You asked a real question.

Yea because university groups were on the field kneeling and waving the confederate flag. Outsiders don't understand North Carolina has one of the largest military bases and many alums go on to OCS after they graduate. Most military are very proud and will die for you and don't ask for **** but a little respect.

Universities themselves flew that confederate flag. That is far worse than a bunch of kids kneeling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/ole-mis...ed-campus/

Why are people always trying to bootstrap their argument with the military and police? The kneeling doesn't seem to have anything with either. I am former military and I have never felt disrespected by somebody protesting or kneeling or whatever.

Didn't seem to bother laremy tumsil

I am pretty sure a tuba player kneeling at the 50 yard line doesn't bother Larmey either.

Btw, do you want to take a stab at answering that poster's question?

How about starting a thread for it and I might. Oh and frick ole miss.

(10-04-2016 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Incorrect as those 19 Marching Band Members broke 3 or 4 code of conduct (including breaking formation and refusing to perform while wearing Univ paid uniforms while having Univ paid for instruments) that all of those members signed prior to the start of band camp back in the summer.

Those members can protest on their own time (i.e. like lunch time on Tues, Wed or Thur...or instead of hitting the coffee shop at night...they can protest on the quad), they can't "do what they want" when they are representing the ECU Marching Band, hence why the Music Dept leaders came out so strong the other day that there will be major consequences if they break band rules once more.

Not sure if this link made it into the thread but it looks like an ESPN radio station is protesting the protest by not airing the ECU game. It looks like this station in the the Fort Bragg area so I can understand why this would happen.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/east-c...53712.html

(10-05-2016 06:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Incorrect as those 19 Marching Band Members broke 3 or 4 code of conduct (including breaking formation and refusing to perform while wearing Univ paid uniforms while having Univ paid for instruments) that all of those members signed prior to the start of band camp back in the summer.

Those members can protest on their own time (i.e. like lunch time on Tues, Wed or Thur...or instead of hitting the coffee shop at night...they can protest on the quad), they can't "do what they want" when they are representing the ECU Marching Band, hence why the Music Dept leaders came out so strong the other day that there will be major consequences if they break band rules once more.

Once you start allowing people to break rules and choose amendments to hide behind you open up a can of worms. The plot thickens

http://www.witn.com/content/news/ECU-pro...18021.html

(10-05-2016 07:09 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 06:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Incorrect as those 19 Marching Band Members broke 3 or 4 code of conduct (including breaking formation and refusing to perform while wearing Univ paid uniforms while having Univ paid for instruments) that all of those members signed prior to the start of band camp back in the summer.

Those members can protest on their own time (i.e. like lunch time on Tues, Wed or Thur...or instead of hitting the coffee shop at night...they can protest on the quad), they can't "do what they want" when they are representing the ECU Marching Band, hence why the Music Dept leaders came out so strong the other day that there will be major consequences if they break band rules once more.

Once you start allowing people to break rules and choose amendments to hide behind you open up a can of worms. The plot thickens

http://www.witn.com/content/news/ECU-pro...18021.html

There's a difference between school rules and state laws. If this lady wants to carry her firearm on campus she needs to petition her legislature not the chancellor.

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

Would you be ok with a band member pulling a confederate flag out of his pocket and waving it around during the anthem? Free speech you know.

(10-05-2016 07:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 07:09 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 06:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Incorrect as those 19 Marching Band Members broke 3 or 4 code of conduct (including breaking formation and refusing to perform while wearing Univ paid uniforms while having Univ paid for instruments) that all of those members signed prior to the start of band camp back in the summer.

Those members can protest on their own time (i.e. like lunch time on Tues, Wed or Thur...or instead of hitting the coffee shop at night...they can protest on the quad), they can't "do what they want" when they are representing the ECU Marching Band, hence why the Music Dept leaders came out so strong the other day that there will be major consequences if they break band rules once more.

Once you start allowing people to break rules and choose amendments to hide behind you open up a can of worms. The plot thickens

http://www.witn.com/content/news/ECU-pro...18021.html

There's a difference between school rules and state laws. If this lady wants to carry her firearm on campus she needs to petition her legislature not the chancellor.

That is what she is doing, he openly wrote a letter supporting thier free speech even though what they did was against university policy. Now they are choosing what rules to enforce

(10-05-2016 07:09 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 06:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Incorrect as those 19 Marching Band Members broke 3 or 4 code of conduct (including breaking formation and refusing to perform while wearing Univ paid uniforms while having Univ paid for instruments) that all of those members signed prior to the start of band camp back in the summer.

Those members can protest on their own time (i.e. like lunch time on Tues, Wed or Thur...or instead of hitting the coffee shop at night...they can protest on the quad), they can't "do what they want" when they are representing the ECU Marching Band, hence why the Music Dept leaders came out so strong the other day that there will be major consequences if they break band rules once more.

Once you start allowing people to break rules and choose amendments to hide behind you open up a can of worms. The plot thickens

http://www.witn.com/content/news/ECU-pro...18021.html

Great point.

No clue how ECU's Chancellor stays in his position based on his clueless statement following last week's game.

Situations like the above (hey, the prof is just protesting Univ policy that doesn't allow her to follow the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution), is what happens when ECU Chancellor allows privileged ECU Marching Band Members who were allowed to break multiple codes of conduct/Univ Band Policies (that they all agreed to and signed back in August) while wearing Univ paid for uniforms and holding Univ paid for instruments...and that it was "ok", which basically constitutes anarchy and a free for all...anytime, any place, without any consequences.

(10-05-2016 08:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 07:09 AM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 06:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Incorrect as those 19 Marching Band Members broke 3 or 4 code of conduct (including breaking formation and refusing to perform while wearing Univ paid uniforms while having Univ paid for instruments) that all of those members signed prior to the start of band camp back in the summer.

Those members can protest on their own time (i.e. like lunch time on Tues, Wed or Thur...or instead of hitting the coffee shop at night...they can protest on the quad), they can't "do what they want" when they are representing the ECU Marching Band, hence why the Music Dept leaders came out so strong the other day that there will be major consequences if they break band rules once more.

Once you start allowing people to break rules and choose amendments to hide behind you open up a can of worms. The plot thickens

http://www.witn.com/content/news/ECU-pro...18021.html

Great point.

No clue how ECU's Chancellor stays in his position based on his clueless statement following last week's game.

Situations like the above (hey, the prof is just protesting Univ policy that doesn't allow her to follow the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution), is what happens when ECU Chancellor allows privileged ECU Marching Band Members who were allowed to break multiple codes of conduct/Univ Band Policies (that they all agreed to and signed back in August) while wearing Univ paid for uniforms and holding Univ paid for instruments...and that it was "ok", which basically constitutes anarchy and a free for all...anytime, any place, without any consequences.

What would the story be today if he had pull those specific band members from performing? My guess is we'd be looking at Missouri 2.0. I also love how this guy is being painted as a lefty when he was a former Republican State Senator from Georgia. About as non-lefty as you can possibly get. He might have had a legal leg to stand on with the band code of conduct, but he was smart enough to know the insane PC police and social justice warriors would have eaten him alive and it might have ended up costing him his job.

Case in point. Inappropriate protest in wrong forum.

Not one issue that the band members believe in is even being discussed. Theyve made themselves the center of attention.

This is a brave protest

Dear chancellor,

I hear you have band members that won't play the national anthem and teachers packing weapons.

You know that 10,000,000 dollar check I was going to send you for the new stadium expansion? We'll have to wait and see on that, don't call me I'll call you.

Sincerely

Fat Cat Booster

(10-04-2016 04:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 02:58 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 09:02 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm sorry, but I completely stopped watching the NFL after the Kaepernick debacle. My cousin offered me free tickets to an Eagles game later this year, which I will politely decline.

I refuse to support such disrespect for our heroes of our nation. Protesting wrongs are both welcomed and encouraged but there are better ways to protest, ways that don't hurt the vets who fought and died for our country.

Anyone remember Pat Tillman? How do you think he would feel about what has happened?

I can only hope that the counter protest of this particular action grow faster then the protest themselves.

http://blog.ecu.edu/sites/dailyclips/blo...able-news/

How much money and/or time do you devote to helping veterans and their families?

Only Pat Tillman could answer your question. But I will tell you that my uncle who fought in Vietnam thinks all this outrage is ridiculous by many who don't care about what's happening to vets when they come home. He says he fought for the right of all Americans to choose and that includes standing for the National Anthem.

(10-04-2016 05:24 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

LOL. You asked a real question.

Yea because university groups were on the field kneeling and waving the confederate flag. Outsiders don't understand North Carolina has one of the largest military bases and many alums go on to OCS after they graduate. Most military are very proud and will die for you and don't ask for **** but a little respect.

Most Veterans are not offended by it...

Some actually agree with the peaceful act of protest

(10-04-2016 05:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

Have you read any of the several threads explaining this? If someone carries around a confederate flag, on their own time then it's their own business. That is free speech.

Speech or action may be constrained, if you willingly accept a job, and agree to abide by the dress code, or perform a service at the appointed hour. That's called responsibility. (FWIW, I don't agree with what the confed flag represents... but hey, unpopular speech is exactly what the 1st Am protects...)

These students were wearing an ECU uniform and were committed to performing a job. Refusing to do that job is not 'free speech', it's violating your agreed to policy and refusing to work. That's why ECU has every right to boot them off the band, and has now indicated future disruptions will not be tolerated. (Took a day though... until the administration saw the backlash. As expected...)

For your analogy to be accurate, the question is... What would happen if I decided to wear the confederate flag to work on my work time, if it violated my work dress code? Answer: I should get fired or somehow reprimanded.

That's why I brought up OLE MISS

I would love to hear you defend this one