(08-25-2017 06:18 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 03:47 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  I still don't get the reasoning for having him sit on campus. Can't we move Saul in to that position and have Coach Butch out recruiting?

The main reason, I think, is nepotism. I have heard no good defense of having Saul on the staff when other, better options are available.

I wouldn't call nepotism the "main reason" - I'd call it the one and only reason. Moving Saul would address two main problems --- Tubby's lack of and bad PR and his lack of and bad recruiting. A dead person could almost do better.

(08-25-2017 07:39 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:18 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 03:47 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  I still don't get the reasoning for having him sit on campus. Can't we move Saul in to that position and have Coach Butch out recruiting?

The main reason, I think, is nepotism. I have heard no good defense of having Saul on the staff when other, better options are available.

I wouldn't call nepotism the "main reason" - I'd call it the one and only reason. Moving Saul would address two main problems --- Tubby's lack of and bad PR and his lack of and bad recruiting. A dead person could almost do better.

In all fairness, it would depend on whether or not the dead person had prior experience recruiting.

(08-25-2017 07:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 07:39 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:18 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 03:47 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  I still don't get the reasoning for having him sit on campus. Can't we move Saul in to that position and have Coach Butch out recruiting?

The main reason, I think, is nepotism. I have heard no good defense of having Saul on the staff when other, better options are available.

I wouldn't call nepotism the "main reason" - I'd call it the one and only reason. Moving Saul would address two main problems --- Tubby's lack of and bad PR and his lack of and bad recruiting. A dead person could almost do better.

In all fairness, it would depend on whether or not the dead person had prior experience recruiting.

(08-25-2017 06:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 05:16 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Wonder why he's never had that kind of locker room turmoil in 44 years of coaching.

because Tubby isn't the problem...the problem is with Memphis basketball itself.

he'll get it fixed, though. If anyone can do it...Tubby Smith can.

List of Problems
- NBA arena
- NBA players around all the time
- State of the art practice facility
- Top 25 program of all time
- Perennial top 25 attendance
- Fertile recruiting ground

On their own these problems are insurmountable; added together collectively, they make the job almost impossible for poor old Tubby. I do agree though, if anyone can win one NCAA game in the next 10 years, I think Tubby can do it.

(08-25-2017 06:28 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Amazing your fixation on Saul Smith. This article had no mention of Saul - but like most other topics on this forum, your obsessive preoccupation with him prevents any objectivity in an otherwise informative article about the Tiger MBB program.

And the irony of your emoji is fitting.......if you'd only realize the Saul issue is a deadhorse.

No, the irony is your continued obsession with my posts when ignoring them is a viable alternative.

Looks like you have taken up the current PC banner that wishes to make pronouncements without challenge - and on a forum no less. And then be willing to silence the opposition with clubs if required, if only figuratively speaking. But understand, this is not your safe space where you will go unchallenged.

Please continue. All voices from good Tiger fans like us should be heard.

(08-25-2017 07:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 05:16 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Wonder why he's never had that kind of locker room turmoil in 44 years of coaching.

because Tubby isn't the problem...the problem is with Memphis basketball itself.

he'll get it fixed, though. If anyone can do it...Tubby Smith can.

List of Problems
- NBA arena
- NBA players around all the time
- State of the art practice facility
- Top 25 program of all time
- Perennial top 25 attendance
- Fertile recruiting ground

On their own these problems are insurmountable; added together collectively, they make the job almost impossible for poor old Tubby. I do agree though, if anyone can win one NCAA game in the next 10 years, I think Tubby can do it.

Other problems:
- Sufficient resources allowing his salary to be in the top ten of coaches making the NCAA Tourney last year.

- Intense fan interest generating almost daily media coverage - even during the off season.

- Playing in a conference with two or more bids most years.

LMAO
Par for the course. The bashers have turned a solid Memphis article into a Tubby and Saul bash fest.

(08-25-2017 06:18 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 03:47 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  I still don't get the reasoning for having him sit on campus. Can't we move Saul in to that position and have Coach Butch out recruiting?

The main reason, I think, is nepotism. I have heard no good defense of having Saul on the staff when other, better options are available.

You mean beside the fact that if Butch were to take a current asst. coach position he does not get paid from his last asst. coach position.

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(08-25-2017 06:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I still marvel at the strategy employed by Tubby of keeping his lightly productive son on the recruiting road while grounding an ace recruiter on campus.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...601460001/

Amazing your fixation on Saul Smith. This article had no mention of Saul - but like most other topics on this forum, your obsessive preoccupation with him prevents any objectivity in an otherwise informative article about the Tiger MBB program.

As confused as ever. You don't see anything abnormal with having a great recruiter handcuffed to an office while useless Saul is on the road, and then say that he can't be objective?

Hilarious.

Once again. Butch doesn't get paid from his last position if he is an asst. coach here.

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(08-25-2017 10:11 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:18 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 03:47 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  I still don't get the reasoning for having him sit on campus. Can't we move Saul in to that position and have Coach Butch out recruiting?

The main reason, I think, is nepotism. I have heard no good defense of having Saul on the staff when other, better options are available.

You mean beside the fact that if Butch were to take a current asst. coach position he does not get paid from his last asst. coach position.

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It is a good point. What is the source?

(08-25-2017 10:14 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I still marvel at the strategy employed by Tubby of keeping his lightly productive son on the recruiting road while grounding an ace recruiter on campus.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...601460001/

Amazing your fixation on Saul Smith. This article had no mention of Saul - but like most other topics on this forum, your obsessive preoccupation with him prevents any objectivity in an otherwise informative article about the Tiger MBB program.

As confused as ever. You don't see anything abnormal with having a great recruiter handcuffed to an office while useless Saul is on the road, and then say that he can't be objective?

Hilarious.

Once again. Butch doesn't get paid from his last position if he is an asst. coach here.

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Wouldn't they still have to pay the difference regardless of position?

(08-25-2017 10:14 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I still marvel at the strategy employed by Tubby of keeping his lightly productive son on the recruiting road while grounding an ace recruiter on campus.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...601460001/

Amazing your fixation on Saul Smith. This article had no mention of Saul - but like most other topics on this forum, your obsessive preoccupation with him prevents any objectivity in an otherwise informative article about the Tiger MBB program.

As confused as ever. You don't see anything abnormal with having a great recruiter handcuffed to an office while useless Saul is on the road, and then say that he can't be objective?

Hilarious.

Once again. Butch doesn't get paid from his last position if he is an asst. coach here.

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I understand the deal and it makes no sense to me. IF Pierre had the program's best interests in mind and had long term plans here, he would take his 100K from us and collect 300K from NC State. He is either being greedy or he has no long term plans to be here, both supposedly not true.

The school could have told Pierre to get by on 400K this year and they would take the difference and add it to his contract after this season. I think he is already the 7th highest paid assistant in the country.

Meanwhile Tubby, who in theory is fighting for his life, has one of the best recruiters in the business chained to his desk and Saul out on the road. I'm not surprised at this of course. Tubby went on holiday a couple of weeks after taking the job here.

It would take a miracle for Tubby to have a sense of urgency about anything. Easy come easy go.

(08-25-2017 10:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 10:14 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:20 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I still marvel at the strategy employed by Tubby of keeping his lightly productive son on the recruiting road while grounding an ace recruiter on campus.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...601460001/

Amazing your fixation on Saul Smith. This article had no mention of Saul - but like most other topics on this forum, your obsessive preoccupation with him prevents any objectivity in an otherwise informative article about the Tiger MBB program.

As confused as ever. You don't see anything abnormal with having a great recruiter handcuffed to an office while useless Saul is on the road, and then say that he can't be objective?

Hilarious.

Once again. Butch doesn't get paid from his last position if he is an asst. coach here.

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Wouldn't they still have to pay the difference regardless of position?

No, only if he is one of the top 3 assistants. His position, which is Director of Player Personnel, doesn't qualify.

(08-25-2017 10:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It would take a miracle for Tubby to have a sense of urgency about anything.

How the hell do you know? What a ridiculous statement. Just ridiculous.

(08-25-2017 02:26 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Despite the negativity of the OP, another really good article by Mark Giannotto. Also a 3 minute, 30 second interview with Tubby.

Glad to have Coach Pierre, he seems to respect Tubby and is glad to be here. Has one kid as Arkansas State, another coaching at Middle TN.

"And yet Pierre chose to come here, despite the advice of colleagues who told him to accept one of the offers he had to continue on as an assistant coach elsewhere. He had known Smith for years and once the two sat down and discussed the position, Pierre felt this “was a special situation. All he had to say was come.”

Of course, after meeting with our future HOF coach he decided to come here . Our HOF coach said ---come here and get paid to do nothing but play golf like I do. Of course Pierre thought it was a SPECIAL SITUATION---getting paid for nothing--to not work.

(08-25-2017 07:51 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:28 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

And the irony of your emoji is fitting.......if you'd only realize the Saul issue is a deadhorse.

No, the irony is your continued obsession with my posts when ignoring them is a viable alternative.

Looks like you have taken up the current PC banner that wishes to make pronouncements without challenge - and on a forum no less. And then be willing to silence the opposition with clubs if required, if only figuratively speaking. But understand, this is not your safe space where you will go unchallenged.

Please continue. All voices from good Tiger fans like us should be heard.

First it's beating a dead horse, now it's please continue....you sound conflicted. And for your reference on Pierre's contract, it's been in the media since Gottfried was fired at NCSt, look it up it's public information.

(08-25-2017 10:52 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 02:26 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Despite the negativity of the OP, another really good article by Mark Giannotto. Also a 3 minute, 30 second interview with Tubby.

Glad to have Coach Pierre, he seems to respect Tubby and is glad to be here. Has one kid as Arkansas State, another coaching at Middle TN.

"And yet Pierre chose to come here, despite the advice of colleagues who told him to accept one of the offers he had to continue on as an assistant coach elsewhere. He had known Smith for years and once the two sat down and discussed the position, Pierre felt this “was a special situation. All he had to say was come.”

Of course, after meeting with our future HOF coach he decided to come here . Our HOF coach said ---come here and get paid to do nothing but play golf like I do. Of course Pierre thought it was a SPECIAL SITUATION---getting paid for nothing--to not work.

He is being paid 500K to work at a desk and never has to travel other than from where he is living to the Finch Center or FEF. He would have been paid 400K if he chose to sit at home. The extra 100K he is getting from us makes him either the 3rd or 4th highest paid assistant in the NCAA...although technically he is not an assistant.

(08-25-2017 10:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 10:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 10:14 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Amazing your fixation on Saul Smith. This article had no mention of Saul - but like most other topics on this forum, your obsessive preoccupation with him prevents any objectivity in an otherwise informative article about the Tiger MBB program.

As confused as ever. You don't see anything abnormal with having a great recruiter handcuffed to an office while useless Saul is on the road, and then say that he can't be objective?

Hilarious.

Once again. Butch doesn't get paid from his last position if he is an asst. coach here.

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Wouldn't they still have to pay the difference regardless of position?

No, only if he is one of the top 3 assistants. His position, which is Director of Player Personnel, doesn't qualify.

Oh ok, I get it. If he were an assistant it would offset and max out at 400k. As a non-assistant he gets the full 400k plus whatever he can get paid as a non-assistant.

(08-25-2017 11:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 07:51 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:28 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 06:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  And the irony of your emoji is fitting.......if you'd only realize the Saul issue is a deadhorse.

No, the irony is your continued obsession with my posts when ignoring them is a viable alternative.

Looks like you have taken up the current PC banner that wishes to make pronouncements without challenge - and on a forum no less. And then be willing to silence the opposition with clubs if required, if only figuratively speaking. But understand, this is not your safe space where you will go unchallenged.

Please continue. All voices from good Tiger fans like us should be heard.

First it's beating a dead horse, now it's please continue....you sound conflicted. And for your reference on Pierre's contract, it's been in the media since Gottfried was fired at NCSt, look it up it's public information.

I pointed out your obsession with my posts. I did not tell you to stop.

Mark Giannotto tweeted an important clarification concerning Butch's role.

Quote:I thought he could call AAU/HS coaches, but Butch said he can't in this role. Only on campus