(08-29-2017 10:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-26-2017 05:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 10:41 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 10:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It would take a miracle for Tubby to have a sense of urgency about anything.

How the hell do you know? What a ridiculous statement. Just ridiculous.

- Not contacting Nick Marshall even once
- Contacting Woodson once
- Making next to no effort to keep Markel
- Taking a vacation after getting the job here with only 8 scholarship players

Maybe he didn't want Marshall. I never thought Marshall was any sort of difference maker. I'll take Mike Parks over Marshall every day. I mean I wish the guy the best, but I just didn't see him as a high D1 player. Remind me where Nick is now?

Woodson was leaving no matter what.

I'm sure Markel will produce at Ole Miss, but I'm just fine with plugging that hole with Johnson, Brewton, and Rhodes. I'd rather get Johnson experience in a year in which we are unlikely to get to the NCAA tournament regardless of whether Crawford is here or not.

I don't know what he did on his vacation, was it a dead period, was he making phone calls, who knows.

I do agree that he should have done a better job of shoring up the roster last year, no doubt. But I'm also fine with a reset this year.

Tired of the drama, I'm hoping we've got some guys all pulling in the same direction for a change.

I share your hope, but there is little evidence that a coach losing most of his players from last year (Marshall, Woodson, Crawford, Dedric, KJ, Cleergot, etc) has the player management skills necessary to promote harmony for the greater good.

(08-29-2017 12:26 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 10:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-26-2017 05:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 10:41 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 10:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It would take a miracle for Tubby to have a sense of urgency about anything.

How the hell do you know? What a ridiculous statement. Just ridiculous.

- Not contacting Nick Marshall even once
- Contacting Woodson once
- Making next to no effort to keep Markel
- Taking a vacation after getting the job here with only 8 scholarship players

Maybe he didn't want Marshall. I never thought Marshall was any sort of difference maker. I'll take Mike Parks over Marshall every day. I mean I wish the guy the best, but I just didn't see him as a high D1 player. Remind me where Nick is now?

Woodson was leaving no matter what.

I'm sure Markel will produce at Ole Miss, but I'm just fine with plugging that hole with Johnson, Brewton, and Rhodes. I'd rather get Johnson experience in a year in which we are unlikely to get to the NCAA tournament regardless of whether Crawford is here or not.

I don't know what he did on his vacation, was it a dead period, was he making phone calls, who knows.

I do agree that he should have done a better job of shoring up the roster last year, no doubt. But I'm also fine with a reset this year.

Tired of the drama, I'm hoping we've got some guys all pulling in the same direction for a change.

I share your hope, but there is little evidence that a coach losing most of his players from last year (Marshall, Woodson, Crawford, Dedric, KJ, Cleergot, etc) has the player management skills necessary to promote harmony for the greater good.

Recruiting may not be his strength, but player management I'm not worried about. There's a pretty solid track record there. Any time there's a new sherriff in town, some folks are gonna want to leave.

(08-29-2017 11:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:42 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:00 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 10:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-26-2017 05:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  - Not contacting Nick Marshall even once
- Contacting Woodson once
- Making next to no effort to keep Markel
- Taking a vacation after getting the job here with only 8 scholarship players

Maybe he didn't want Marshall. I never thought Marshall was any sort of difference maker. I'll take Mike Parks over Marshall every day. I mean I wish the guy the best, but I just didn't see him as a high D1 player. Remind me where Nick is now?

Woodson was leaving no matter what.

I'm sure Markel will produce at Ole Miss, but I'm just fine with plugging that hole with Johnson, Brewton, and Rhodes. I'd rather get Johnson experience in a year in which we are unlikely to get to the NCAA tournament regardless of whether Crawford is here or not.

I don't know what he did on his vacation, was it a dead period, was he making phone calls, who knows.

I do agree that he should have done a better job of shoring up the roster last year, no doubt. But I'm also fine with a reset this year.

Tired of the drama, I'm hoping we've got some guys all pulling in the same direction for a change.

We should be thrilled if we get the same production from Parks as we got from Marshall his freshman season...plus Parks only has 2 seasons. Everything that you rationalize together in one big pile is why we are in this mess. If a couple of them don't happen, at least we have some momentum.

None of it rests at Pastner's feet of course.

I say we blame Pastner until 2025 just to be safe. Tubby is blaming us, the program, the fans, the brand...

You hear what you want to hear. Tubby is in year 2 and he took over a dumpster fire.

(08-29-2017 12:37 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:42 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:00 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 10:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  Maybe he didn't want Marshall. I never thought Marshall was any sort of difference maker. I'll take Mike Parks over Marshall every day. I mean I wish the guy the best, but I just didn't see him as a high D1 player. Remind me where Nick is now?

Woodson was leaving no matter what.

I'm sure Markel will produce at Ole Miss, but I'm just fine with plugging that hole with Johnson, Brewton, and Rhodes. I'd rather get Johnson experience in a year in which we are unlikely to get to the NCAA tournament regardless of whether Crawford is here or not.

I don't know what he did on his vacation, was it a dead period, was he making phone calls, who knows.

I do agree that he should have done a better job of shoring up the roster last year, no doubt. But I'm also fine with a reset this year.

Tired of the drama, I'm hoping we've got some guys all pulling in the same direction for a change.

We should be thrilled if we get the same production from Parks as we got from Marshall his freshman season...plus Parks only has 2 seasons. Everything that you rationalize together in one big pile is why we are in this mess. If a couple of them don't happen, at least we have some momentum.

None of it rests at Pastner's feet of course.

I say we blame Pastner until 2025 just to be safe. Tubby is blaming us, the program, the fans, the brand...

You hear what you want to hear. Tubby is in year 2 and he took over a dumpster fire.

You see what you want to see. Most of us aren't blind.

You guys should start a band. The Boo Hoo Poo Poo's

(08-29-2017 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You guys should start a band. The Boo Hoo Poo Poo's

Can we borrow the instruments you crybabies used when Pastner was coach?

(08-29-2017 05:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You guys should start a band. The Boo Hoo Poo Poo's

Can we borrow the instruments you crybabies used when Pastner was coach?

If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

BAM

(08-29-2017 04:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 12:37 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:42 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:00 AM)Stammers Wrote:  We should be thrilled if we get the same production from Parks as we got from Marshall his freshman season...plus Parks only has 2 seasons. Everything that you rationalize together in one big pile is why we are in this mess. If a couple of them don't happen, at least we have some momentum.

None of it rests at Pastner's feet of course.

I say we blame Pastner until 2025 just to be safe. Tubby is blaming us, the program, the fans, the brand...

You hear what you want to hear. Tubby is in year 2 and he took over a dumpster fire.

You see what you want to see. Most of us aren't blind.

Been around long enough to know that you never speak for most of us. Rant on Pastner puffer.

(08-29-2017 05:43 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You guys should start a band. The Boo Hoo Poo Poo's

Can we borrow the instruments you crybabies used when Pastner was coach?

If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

(08-30-2017 01:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:43 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You guys should start a band. The Boo Hoo Poo Poo's

Can we borrow the instruments you crybabies used when Pastner was coach?

If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

We get it. You love you some Josh.

(08-30-2017 03:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:43 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You guys should start a band. The Boo Hoo Poo Poo's

Can we borrow the instruments you crybabies used when Pastner was coach?

If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

We get it. You love you some Josh.

The facts backup Stammers. If the facts are wrong, then produce a correction.

Otherwise, the fact based conclusion is we replaced an under productive coach with an even less under productive coach.

(08-30-2017 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 03:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:43 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Can we borrow the instruments you crybabies used when Pastner was coach?

If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

We get it. You love you some Josh.

The facts backup Stammers. If the facts are wrong, then produce a correction.

Otherwise, the fact based conclusion is we replaced an under productive coach with an even less under productive coach.

So the jury is in. 1 year, inherited a dumpster fire, couldn't fix it, he's terrible, get rid of him. Got it.

(08-30-2017 07:40 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 07:19 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 03:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:43 PM)450bench Wrote:  If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

We get it. You love you some Josh.

The facts backup Stammers. If the facts are wrong, then produce a correction.

Otherwise, the fact based conclusion is we replaced an under productive coach with an even less under productive coach.

So the jury is in. 1 year, inherited a dumpster fire, couldn't fix it, he's terrible, get rid of him. Got it.

I agree that more time is needed before producing the initial report card (end of year three for me), but he is failing the tests by Tiger standards to date.

(08-30-2017 03:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:43 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You guys should start a band. The Boo Hoo Poo Poo's

Can we borrow the instruments you crybabies used when Pastner was coach?

If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

We get it. You love you some Josh.

Obviously, the last conclusion anyone would come to is that you get it.

(08-30-2017 07:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 03:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:43 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Can we borrow the instruments you crybabies used when Pastner was coach?

If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

We get it. You love you some Josh.

Obviously, the last conclusion anyone would come to is that you get it.

Oooh. Burn.

So tell me this Stam, would you fire Tubby right now?

(08-30-2017 08:45 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 07:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 03:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 05:43 PM)450bench Wrote:  If TS is here for 7 years and screws the program up as bad as that incompetent, goofball did, then yes.

Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

We get it. You love you some Josh.

Obviously, the last conclusion anyone would come to is that you get it.

Oooh. Burn.

So tell me this Stam, would you fire Tubby right now?

Of course not, the damage is done and everyone will have to live with it. He probably gets this year and next year unless this year is Larry Porter bad.

(08-30-2017 08:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 08:45 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 07:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 03:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-30-2017 01:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Screws the program? Tubby has made it a laughingstock. Pastner has OUTPERFORMED Tubby since he has been a coach. Tubby is LESS competent than Pastner.

We get it. You love you some Josh.

Obviously, the last conclusion anyone would come to is that you get it.

Oooh. Burn.

So tell me this Stam, would you fire Tubby right now?

Of course not, the damage is done and everyone will have to live with it. He probably gets this year and next year unless this year is Larry Porter bad.

Then shut your pie hole and enjoy the ride. Might be better than you think. It does no good to constantly harp on the downside. Wait until the season starts, if the team is underperforming, by all means critique away.

I have no idea what to expect this upcoming season. I think it's possible we could be improved over last year, I think it's possible we could be ECU bad. Just don't know. If we are ECU bad, I'll be pissed just like everyone else.

(08-29-2017 04:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 12:37 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:42 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:00 AM)Stammers Wrote:  We should be thrilled if we get the same production from Parks as we got from Marshall his freshman season...plus Parks only has 2 seasons. Everything that you rationalize together in one big pile is why we are in this mess. If a couple of them don't happen, at least we have some momentum.

None of it rests at Pastner's feet of course.

I say we blame Pastner until 2025 just to be safe. Tubby is blaming us, the program, the fans, the brand...

You hear what you want to hear. Tubby is in year 2 and he took over a dumpster fire.

You see what you want to see. Most of us aren't blind.

https://www.thedailygopher.com/2013/3/26...ht-reasons

"...After Tubby's honeymoon period, the Minnesota basketball program was rarely fun. A slew of players transferred. Royce White and Devoe Joseph took part in melodramas that would make for a great Bravo reality show. Tubby pointed fingers alternately at his players and the lack of a practice facility. Tubby often seemed unable in press conferences to pinpoint what ailed his teams. On most occasions Tubby's players didn't play with confidence. No one seemed to be having much fun...."

(08-30-2017 10:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 04:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 12:37 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-29-2017 11:42 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  None of it rests at Pastner's feet of course.

I say we blame Pastner until 2025 just to be safe. Tubby is blaming us, the program, the fans, the brand...

You hear what you want to hear. Tubby is in year 2 and he took over a dumpster fire.

You see what you want to see. Most of us aren't blind.

https://www.thedailygopher.com/2013/3/26...ht-reasons

"...After Tubby's honeymoon period, the Minnesota basketball program was rarely fun. A slew of players transferred. Royce White and Devoe Joseph took part in melodramas that would make for a great Bravo reality show. Tubby pointed fingers alternately at his players and the lack of a practice facility. Tubby often seemed unable in press conferences to pinpoint what ailed his teams. On most occasions Tubby's players didn't play with confidence. No one seemed to be having much fun...."

The lack of practice facility excuse will not work at Memphis. Tubby will have to invent other excuses for failure.