(01-18-2018 02:07 PM)Play Angry Wrote: (01-18-2018 01:15 PM)TU4ever Wrote: everything I posted is factual
(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)TU4ever Wrote: You haven't even entered the hard part and just had your first conference loss at home in five years.
Truth-o-meter: INCORRECT. Last home loss in conference play was in 2016.
my understanding was the last home loss for conference was uni in 2012-13. Did I miss one? That would seem correct if you were 65-66 at home and just lost to OU.
1) Yes, you did miss one. I even laid out the season for you (2016). What is difficult here?
(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)TU4ever Wrote: Barely a third of the season in and already having issues.
A third of the season is gone
Truth-o-meter: INCORRECT. More than 50% of the regular season has been played. We can both probably agree that your misstep here is attributable to the fact that you failed to reference conference play in either statement. Poor english skills likely trump willful malfeasance.
Actually since I was referring to conference play the whole time I don't have to say in conference in every sentence. English goes beyond 2nd grade. But we have established reading comprehension is not a strong suit for many wsu posters
2)Actually, you never once referenced conference play with respect to the quotes in context. Please learn to take an L properly.
(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)TU4ever Wrote: Usually conference champs don't lose at home
Truth-o-meter: INCORRECT. Only once has a conference champ in the AAC not registered a home loss. Was this misstep rooted in stupidity or poor trolling? Hard to say.
Poor English here, but my reference was to conferences in general not the AAC specifically. Although I am surprised that only once in three years has our conference had a champion with no home conference losses. Although if Cincy does that would be 50%
3)Now, now, if you are looking to move the goalposts (we are talking about conferences generally and not the AAC? mmmmkay), you are still factually wrong. Last season, 66% (21 of 32) of regular season conference champions lost a home game in conference play.
(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)TU4ever Wrote: You have 3 probable losses on the road. SMU, Cincy, Houston
Truth-o-meter: INCORRECT. I thought these were all facts and not just subjective dart throwing? WSU's win likelihood against these opponents per KenPom is 52% (UH), 45% (SMU) and 26% (UC).
This is an opinion and a perfect example of wsu posters not knowing the difference. You are using one metric you like. What was last night's Ken pom prediction? Facts aren't in evidence here. I mean SMU is a better team at home than on the road. They owned wsu on the road, so you think wsu will win on the road? See opinion not fact. Work on that.
4) Nope. An opinion is "I think you'll lose these particular games." You opted instead to present it as a factual assertion (with probability as your foundation), and you asserted incorrectly. I thought WSU fans were the ones with difficulty differentiating fact from opinion?
(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)TU4ever Wrote: You have 3 more toss ups with at memphis, UCF and cincy.
Truth-o-meter: INCORRECT. Why do these errors in your statements keep happening? It's almost like you don't understand what factual statements are? Toss-up implies even odds or very close to it. Per KenPom, the odds of victory in these games are as follows: 78% (@ Memphis), 65% (@ UCF) and 50% (vs. UC).
Again this is an opinion, see how clear this becomes? Your opinion based on Ken pom is you will win these games.
5)See above.
(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)TU4ever Wrote: Your opinion before the game against SMU last night and being at home that you would win. Fact is you lost to SMU. My opinion is you took a beating and had a crazy finish to make it a 'close' game.
6)Unrelated and unresponsive jab. Yes, congratulations, you described an upset.
(01-18-2018 01:15 PM)TU4ever Wrote: I dunno, it kinda seems like you were either trolling a bit or are just kinda stupid. Take your pick. Now, please find my errors and let's discuss.
Again opinion. As you can see that is your (and many wsu posters) biggest error the inability to tell the difference between a fact and what you think. Just because people disagree with your opinion doesn't make it trolling, or a lie, or hating. Just because you say it doesn't make it true or a fact. See Fever's quote below for the perfect example of that wsu behavior.
7)Yes, my opinion that you are ignorant is an opinion (albeit underpinned with factual evidence in this chain).
The problem here is you were having fun sniping while playing fast and loose with your statements, were called out for it (nicely at first), then put yourself on a pedestal as a fount of factual accuracy versus those despicable WSU fans who can't tell fact from fiction.
Next time you do that, don't screw up so many of your facts in the related posts.
Numbered because if we don't go step by step and slow that whole reading comprehension deficiency will get in the way.
1) This is me saying I may be wrong and asking for the loss I missed. So who did you lose to?
2) Actually my posts have all been about conference play in here. It is the subject we have been talking about. Not every sentence in a discussion has to begin with the red shirt when referring to red shirt. The shirt is clear enough.
Learning to take an L would be sound advice for many wsu posters to take, they act as if it would end their world.
3) No I am talking historically about conferences in general (here we go again) it's not moving goalposts because you misunderstood. Most conference champions follow a simple rule, win your home games and half on the road and you be playing for a conference championship. This is the general view. Pretty sure that 3 (seasons) or 1 (year) of data points don't make relevant statistics. How ever I question the general wisdom. This may be an L.
4) Fact: you lost to SMU at home. Opinion you will lose to SMU on the road. Reading comprehension means understanding what definition to use. The word probable in this case means likely. And yes that is opinion based, factual assertion implies there are facts. This is all speculation and therefore all opinion.
5)opinion:
NOUN
1A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
a matter of opinion
Something not capable of being proven either way.
‘relativism tends to regard different beliefs as just a matter of opinion’
Origin
Middle English: via Old French from Latin opinio(n-), from the stem of opinari ‘think, believe’.
Oxford dictionary definition since you are having such trouble. Both 4 or 5 are opinions Ken Pom may agree with yours but that's just Ken Poms opinion, Vegas may think differently, other metrics may predict different results. Their opinion and mine are no more factual than yours or Ken Poms.
6) This upset is the example of why Ken Pom isn't a fact and directly goes against the Ken Pom "facts" you tried to pass off to discredit my argument. It was related and responsive to your argument. Again the last part isn't a jab it's my honest opinion. That you think it was a jab is the whole problem here. I don't have to agree with your opinion and just because I don't doesn't make it trolling or wrong.
7) So we are at the basis of the problem again. You honestly crack me up. I have made lots of true statements. You picked through and found two minor errors and try to dismiss the rest based on this.
So you have had two home conference losses in 5 years not 1. That further strengthens the point. Vs valley level competition with 66 tries you lost 1 game. Vs AAC competition you have 1 loss in 3 games. Probably a strong indicator that the league you now play in is better and you may not win this conference. If anything this strengthens my argument, more so when you realize smu is not the conference favorite.
I will concede my statement that conference champions don't lose at home was wrong, mostly because I don't think either of us should spend time looking it up to find out and you have already produced some facts strongly disputing it.
That's what you have got. Two minor infractions and an issue with distinguish between opinion and fact. I think the sun will be out tomorrow, the weather says so, and I live in a temperate climate, however until it is sunny out tomorrow that is just my opinion in agreement with climatologist and weathermen's educated ones.
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