Coldblooded v. the world. You will acknowledge the unassailable greatness of Wichita State or else.

(02-06-2018 10:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:31 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

That's fair.

What about Gonzaga? Mind you, I'm not necessarily comparing WSU to Gonzaga. Just a general question.

I don't consider Gonzaga to be one either.

Me either. Maybe my definition of national power is too narrow or needs to be refined. In reality you can probably limit the pool of national powers to about 10 or so schools.

Whatever is “wrong” with WSU will likely be cured or at least masked after tonight.

(02-06-2018 12:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Whatever is “wrong” with WSU will likely be cured or at least masked after tonight.

Unless they come out and actually play like a recognizable Marshall/Shocker team for a change, we oldtimers will still be mourning irregardless of whether they win or lose. We will know they *may* slide through one more time but unless they find their lost mojo it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year. I think you all haven't been paying close attention to our sad faces this year even in many of the ooc wins and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the conference we are now in.

(02-06-2018 10:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:31 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

That's fair.

What about Gonzaga? Mind you, I'm not necessarily comparing WSU to Gonzaga. Just a general question.

I don't consider Gonzaga to be one either.

I'm starting to not like this deeeeep bromance you guys have going here. Now that it's starting to encroach on my efforts to hype Wichita State to the absolute limit... I'm going to have to ask you to cease and desist.

HuskyU causing Shocker fans to fall in love with him and then twisting their minds... poor ShockerFever never even saw it coming. Enough!


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(02-06-2018 12:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Whatever is “wrong” with WSU will likely be cured or at least masked after tonight.

Perhaps it's time the masking comes off. We must hit rock bottom before we can heal.

Tigers by 20!


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(02-06-2018 11:59 AM)AABearcat Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 10:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:31 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

That's fair.

What about Gonzaga? Mind you, I'm not necessarily comparing WSU to Gonzaga. Just a general question.

I don't consider Gonzaga to be one either.

Me either. Maybe my definition of national power is too narrow or needs to be refined. In reality you can probably limit the pool of national powers to about 10 or so schools.

You're onto something...

I'll give you a tip: if the writers employed by the major news outlets call your team a "National Power", then they're a national power...


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(02-06-2018 12:47 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Whatever is “wrong” with WSU will likely be cured or at least masked after tonight.

Unless they come out and actually play like a recognizable Marshall/Shocker team for a change, we oldtimers will still be mourning irregardless of whether they win or lose. We will know they *may* slide through one more time but unless they find their lost mojo it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year. I think you all haven't been paying close attention to our sad faces this year even in many of the ooc wins and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the conference we are now in.

Old timers, mourning over not maintaining a 5 year solid run?

(02-06-2018 01:14 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:47 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Whatever is “wrong” with WSU will likely be cured or at least masked after tonight.

Unless they come out and actually play like a recognizable Marshall/Shocker team for a change, we oldtimers will still be mourning irregardless of whether they win or lose. We will know they *may* slide through one more time but unless they find their lost mojo it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year. I think you all haven't been paying close attention to our sad faces this year even in many of the ooc wins and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the conference we are now in.

Old timers, mourning over not maintaining a 5 year solid run?

You all just wanna jump on the oddest things. lol My first year as a freshman at WSU was in 64-65 so I feel entitled to be called an *oldtimer*. Okay by you?

(02-06-2018 01:17 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:14 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:47 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Whatever is “wrong” with WSU will likely be cured or at least masked after tonight.

Unless they come out and actually play like a recognizable Marshall/Shocker team for a change, we oldtimers will still be mourning irregardless of whether they win or lose. We will know they *may* slide through one more time but unless they find their lost mojo it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year. I think you all haven't been paying close attention to our sad faces this year even in many of the ooc wins and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the conference we are now in.

Old timers, mourning over not maintaining a 5 year solid run?

You all just wanna jump on the oddest things. lol My first year as a freshman at WSU was in 64-65 so I feel entitled to be called an *oldtimer*. Okay by you?

Enjoying a Final Four as a freshman! The Shockers had you for life!


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(02-06-2018 01:01 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 11:59 AM)AABearcat Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 10:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:31 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

That's fair.

What about Gonzaga? Mind you, I'm not necessarily comparing WSU to Gonzaga. Just a general question.

I don't consider Gonzaga to be one either.

Me either. Maybe my definition of national power is too narrow or needs to be refined. In reality you can probably limit the pool of national powers to about 10 or so schools.

You're onto something...

I'll give you a tip: if the writers employed by the major news outlets call your team a "National Power", then they're a national power...


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Teh dellusion is strong.

Your definition of a national power is whatever let's WSU in.

A national power is a team has been a NCAA team for 10 out 15 years, have multiple sweet sixteen appearinces, multiple top 10 finishes in end of the season rankings. All Bluebloods are national powers.

Gonzaga can make an argument, Xavier can, Butler and Virginia are close too. UConn, Louisville, Michigan State, are already national powers easy to recognize. Bluebloods, UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas gives us like 10 national powers, of which WSU's resume just doesn't match up.

(02-06-2018 10:18 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Coldblooded v. the world. You will acknowledge the unassailable greatness of Wichita State or else.

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(02-06-2018 01:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:01 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 11:59 AM)AABearcat Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 10:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:31 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  That's fair.

What about Gonzaga? Mind you, I'm not necessarily comparing WSU to Gonzaga. Just a general question.

I don't consider Gonzaga to be one either.

Me either. Maybe my definition of national power is too narrow or needs to be refined. In reality you can probably limit the pool of national powers to about 10 or so schools.

You're onto something...

I'll give you a tip: if the writers employed by the major news outlets call your team a "National Power", then they're a national power...


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Teh dellusion is strong.

Your definition of a national power is whatever let's WSU in.

A national power is a team has been a NCAA team for 10 out 15 years, have multiple sweet sixteen appearinces, multiple top 10 finishes in end of the season rankings. All Bluebloods are national powers.

Gonzaga can make an argument, Xavier can, Butler and Virginia are close too. UConn, Louisville, Michigan State, are already national powers easy to recognize. Bluebloods, UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas gives us like 10 national powers, of which WSU's resume just doesn't match up.

Don't make me post Teh List again and clog your browser's cache...


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(02-06-2018 01:17 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:14 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:47 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Whatever is “wrong” with WSU will likely be cured or at least masked after tonight.

Unless they come out and actually play like a recognizable Marshall/Shocker team for a change, we oldtimers will still be mourning irregardless of whether they win or lose. We will know they *may* slide through one more time but unless they find their lost mojo it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year. I think you all haven't been paying close attention to our sad faces this year even in many of the ooc wins and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the conference we are now in.

Old timers, mourning over not maintaining a 5 year solid run?

You all just wanna jump on the oddest things. lol My first year as a freshman at WSU was in 64-65 so I feel entitled to be called an *oldtimer*. Okay by you?

That wasn't the problem. The mourning over a 5 year trend was. Since you have been watching that long then you should know that a five year run doesn't mean much. If you were say an Indiana fan? Sure. Late 70s to mid 80s Wsu fan mourning in the early 90s? Sure. But you all had one good class and now you're in mourning because they aren't playing as well as that one class did? Doesn't sound like someone who can take a long look back over peaks and valleys.

(02-06-2018 01:33 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:01 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 11:59 AM)AABearcat Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 10:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  I don't consider Gonzaga to be one either.

Me either. Maybe my definition of national power is too narrow or needs to be refined. In reality you can probably limit the pool of national powers to about 10 or so schools.

You're onto something...

I'll give you a tip: if the writers employed by the major news outlets call your team a "National Power", then they're a national power...


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Teh dellusion is strong.

Your definition of a national power is whatever let's WSU in.

A national power is a team has been a NCAA team for 10 out 15 years, have multiple sweet sixteen appearinces, multiple top 10 finishes in end of the season rankings. All Bluebloods are national powers.

Gonzaga can make an argument, Xavier can, Butler and Virginia are close too. UConn, Louisville, Michigan State, are already national powers easy to recognize. Bluebloods, UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas gives us like 10 national powers, of which WSU's resume just doesn't match up.

Don't make me post Teh List again and clog your browser's cache...


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1000s of sports writers, all with different opinions, most of which I wouldn't wipe my backside with.

5 years of being good doesn't make you a national power. 6 NCAA tournaments in 30 years doesn't make you a national power. 5 years means you're a flash in the pan.

Cuddle up with whatever hack article you want, you need 5 more years of being good to even be within touching distance.

(02-06-2018 01:37 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:17 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:14 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:47 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Whatever is “wrong” with WSU will likely be cured or at least masked after tonight.

Unless they come out and actually play like a recognizable Marshall/Shocker team for a change, we oldtimers will still be mourning irregardless of whether they win or lose. We will know they *may* slide through one more time but unless they find their lost mojo it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year. I think you all haven't been paying close attention to our sad faces this year even in many of the ooc wins and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the conference we are now in.

Old timers, mourning over not maintaining a 5 year solid run?

You all just wanna jump on the oddest things. lol My first year as a freshman at WSU was in 64-65 so I feel entitled to be called an *oldtimer*. Okay by you?

That wasn't the problem. The mourning over a 5 year trend was. Since you have been watching that long then you should know that a five year run doesn't mean much. If you were say an Indiana fan? Sure. Late 70s to mid 80s Wsu fan mourning in the early 90s? Sure. But you all had one good class and now you're in mourning because they aren't playing as well as that one class did? Doesn't sound like someone who can take a long look back over peaks and valleys.

We can't expect you to understand what we're going through. Your perspective is skewed; you're a Tulsa fan... you've never felt the feeling of being a National Power/Media Darling/Tournament lock/Final Four participant, #1 seed, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., ---> in the modern era.

Imagine feeling like you've won the lottery for seven years. Now imagine that you received your bank statement and it shows your funds are depleted. You know this MUST be a bank error, but you're not sure. You've contacted customer support and are awaiting confirmation that your funds are still there.

This is how Shocker fans feel today.


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National Powers:

UNC, Duke, MSU, UCLA, KU, Louisville (before the firing), Kentucky

Maybe Arizona, Indiana, & UCONN could be added to the list as well... but that's pretty much it. You need several championships OR several recent final fours to be included.

(02-06-2018 01:48 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:37 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:17 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:14 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:47 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  Unless they come out and actually play like a recognizable Marshall/Shocker team for a change, we oldtimers will still be mourning irregardless of whether they win or lose. We will know they *may* slide through one more time but unless they find their lost mojo it doesn't bode well for the rest of the year. I think you all haven't been paying close attention to our sad faces this year even in many of the ooc wins and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the conference we are now in.

Old timers, mourning over not maintaining a 5 year solid run?

You all just wanna jump on the oddest things. lol My first year as a freshman at WSU was in 64-65 so I feel entitled to be called an *oldtimer*. Okay by you?

That wasn't the problem. The mourning over a 5 year trend was. Since you have been watching that long then you should know that a five year run doesn't mean much. If you were say an Indiana fan? Sure. Late 70s to mid 80s Wsu fan mourning in the early 90s? Sure. But you all had one good class and now you're in mourning because they aren't playing as well as that one class did? Doesn't sound like someone who can take a long look back over peaks and valleys.

We can't expect you to understand what we're going through. Your perspective is skewed; you're a Tulsa fan... you've never felt the feeling of being a National Power/Media Darling/Tournament lock/Final Four participant, #1 seed, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., ---> in the modern era.

Imagine feeling like you've won the lottery for seven years. Now imagine that you received your bank statement and it shows your funds are depleted. You know this MUST be a bank error, but you're not sure. You've contacted customer support and are awaiting confirmation that your funds are still there.

This is how Shocker fans feel today.


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Hahahaha

Flash in the pan

(02-06-2018 01:53 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  National Powers:

UNC, Duke, MSU, UCLA, KU, Louisville (before the firing), Kentucky

Maybe Arizona, Indiana, & UCONN could be added to the list as well... but that's pretty much it. You need several championships OR several recent final fours to be included.

Damn, Arizona, forgot them.

(02-06-2018 01:42 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:33 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 01:01 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 11:59 AM)AABearcat Wrote:  Me either. Maybe my definition of national power is too narrow or needs to be refined. In reality you can probably limit the pool of national powers to about 10 or so schools.

You're onto something...

I'll give you a tip: if the writers employed by the major news outlets call your team a "National Power", then they're a national power...


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Teh dellusion is strong.

Your definition of a national power is whatever let's WSU in.

A national power is a team has been a NCAA team for 10 out 15 years, have multiple sweet sixteen appearinces, multiple top 10 finishes in end of the season rankings. All Bluebloods are national powers.

Gonzaga can make an argument, Xavier can, Butler and Virginia are close too. UConn, Louisville, Michigan State, are already national powers easy to recognize. Bluebloods, UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas gives us like 10 national powers, of which WSU's resume just doesn't match up.

Don't make me post Teh List again and clog your browser's cache...


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1000s of sports writers, all with different opinions, most of which I wouldn't wipe my backside with.

5 years of being good doesn't make you a national power. 6 NCAA tournaments in 30 years doesn't make you a national power. 5 years means you're a flash in the pan.

Cuddle up with whatever hack article you want, you need 5 more years of being good to even be within touching distance.

I warned you!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co.../31214251/

Quote:The slate, which was announced Thursday, features the Pirates’ most attractive non-league home game in many years. National power Wichita State comes to the Prudential Center on Dec. 19, a return visit for last year’s trip to Wichita, Kansas.

http://www.wsou.net/news/tenkeystosetonhallgeorgia.cfm

Quote:This is especially important after the Pirates were controlled in their toughest road test by national power Wichita State, 77-68.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

Quote:The Ramblers finished last season 10-22 overall, 4-14 in the MVC. It was Loyola's first season in the highly competitive Valley, which boasts national power Wichita State.

http://www.csusports.com/sports/mbkb/201...1112vfnq00

Quote:CSU set to open year Friday at national power Wichita State

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20306...n-position

Quote:Marshall, 51, has built the Shockers program from perpetual mediocrity in the Missouri Valley Conference into a burgeoning national power.

http://appstatesports.com/news/1970/1/1/...print=true

Quote: The home opener versus Southern Conference-rival Davidson, a home date with national-power Wichita State

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ew-league/

Quote:Yes, this move will include all of Wichita State’s sports. But it’s obviously rooted in the school’s desire to play in a better men’s basketball league now that the Shockers have made six straight NCAA Tournaments and established themselves as a national power -- most notably while reaching the 2013 Final Four. They’ve averaged 30.4 wins the past five seasons and advanced in the NCAA Tournament each year.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsunews&p=/top10_hoops/

Quote:Wichita State continued to cement its place as a national power in NCAA men’s basketball in 2015.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/.../83501690/

Quote:WE BREAK DOWN HOW WICHITA STATE BECAME A NATIONAL POWER

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...story.html

Quote:Waving signs that applauded their unblemished record, fans packed inside Koch Arena serenaded a senior class led by Early that managed to elevate the program from a solid mid-major into a national power in the midst of a memorable season.

http://theamerican.org/news/2017/4/12/MB...ath=mbball

Quote:But Shockers' coach Gregg Marshall, who arrived at Wichita in 2007, has taken the program to new heights, coaching the Shockers to a 261-90 record (.744) in 11 years. He has reestablished the Shockers as a regional and national power

http://www.kwch.com/content/sports/AAC-W...35851.html

Quote:Wichita State’s basketball program is the bait on the hook. The addition of the Shockers would instantly bolster the American Athletic Conference into one of the elite basketball conferences in the nation. The Shockers resume of success is lined with 13 NCAA tournament appearances. In the past four seasons, head coach Gregg Marshall has architected a 35-1 season, as well as a Final 4 and Sweet 16 appearance. They are no mid-major. They are a nationally relevant program, capable of competing with the Power 5 and they are powerful.

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20151111/SPORTS/151119847

Quote:“Wichita State has raised the profile of the league, but they’ve also raised the bar inside the league,” Elgin said. “Coaches’ compensation has improved, practice facilities have been improved. You can’t really overstate what the rise of the Shockers as a national power means. They’ve kept our league in the national focus. They beat Indiana and Kansas in a weekend last March. And there is enough depth on Gregg Marshall’s roster that the program will be healthy for a long time.”

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...n-athletic

Quote:Wichita State’s duality as a dominant national program from outside of a power conference is becoming an increasing anomaly. The Shockers may play in the Missouri Valley Conference, but they have a national brand, a consistently packed arena and they pay coach Gregg Marshall well over $3 million per year. Essentially, everything about them aside from their league schedule and the respect from the NCAA selection committee is high-major.

https://dailyegyptian.com/68270/sports/w...ri-valley/

Quote:Wichita State has risen to a national power in some sports, and a conference power in all. In the six sports it holds teams for both men and women — baseball/softball, basketball, cross country, golf, tennis, and track and field — as well as women’s volleyball, the school has collected a total of 51 MVC championships in just the last 10 years.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the...57780.html

Quote:Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall has tried to publicly goad Kansas into agreeing to a home-and-home series for the past couple years to no avail. Kansas coach Bill Self feels his program has nothing to gain by deviating from his longstanding policy of not scheduling the Shockers even as they have ascended from quality mid-major to budding national power.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...o-everyone

Quote:Marshall has elevated his program to the status of national power over the past several years.

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/editorials...02579.html

Quote:In the 1990s, a decade fans would like to erase, it looked as if WSU might never again be a national power, much less a top-25 team.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ampionship

Quote:Marshall's "play angry" mantra and approach have turned Wichita State basketball into a national power with a legitimate opportunity to win the American Athletic Conference in its inaugural season with the league.

http://gotigersgo.com/news/2018/2/5/mens-basketball-tigers-no-22-wichita-state-prepare-for-fedexforum-battle.aspx

Quote:The Shockers have developed into a perennial national power and spent several weeks earlier this season ranked in the Top 10. Last year during their final Missouri Valley Conference season, Wichita State finished 31-5, including 17-1 in league play.

P.S. As added punishment I included ^^^another media reference to Wichita State's National Powerness. And guess what? The phrase was uttered 15 hrs. ago by none other than a member of the Memphis Nation.

It's always a GREAT DAY to be a Shocker!


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