(02-27-2018 09:12 AM)Paul M Wrote:  At least 4 armed trained cops didn't go in. But sure, Trump would have ran in bare handed. Give me a break. Defend the defensible. Laugh at his silly ass for the laughable.

It’s real easy to say you’d run in there, I’d like to believe I’d run in there, but being that I have zero training and have never been in or around any kind of live fire situation I’d be just flat out lying to say I know how I’d react. I could be a keyboard warrior at my desk job and say “yeah I’d have run in there and anyone who says they wouldn’t is a huge *****” but that’s not reality. I have no idea and I hope I’m never in a situation to find out how I’d react.

(02-27-2018 07:36 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He can not say for sure he’d run in there. That’s not me calling him a coward, just in a situation that scary and stressful that you’ve had no training for you don’t know how you’d react. I’d like to say I’d for sure run in there and risk my life to try to save them, but I’m honest enough to know I have no idea how I would react. It takes a special type of person to have the courage to run into that type of situation, and in a lot of cases you can train and think you are ready for it and then when it all goes down you aren’t.

Well, of course. That’s true of damn near everyone from top to bottom.

Like him or hate him, I (personally) have great respect for John McCain for how he handled and what he DIDN’T do when he got shot down in Vietnam. I think we’d all like to think we’d do and react the same way, very few could or would.

Another example in my mind, my Wife’s Uncle: Dad (Grandpa) was the CEO of Westinghouse, Va., #2 in Va. Power. Limos, helicopters, later on oversaw/CEO of the early Nimitz class carriers.

Anyway, Her uncle, a very talented golfer as a kid, got a full ride offer to Duke. Dads connections/standing likely didn’t hurt. Scratch or better player, well could have made a nice career of it.

He went for two years, then dropped out. Volunteered to become an Army Ranger, then was a Tunnel Rat, working behind enemy lines, armed with a single .45 and a flashlight...

Point being, a complete, total 180 from his prior life, and one ever knows how they will react to things.

One day this guy had a nice life by the balls, a few short months later he was getting doused, behind enemy lines, with Agent Orange.

I think we’d all like to believe we would react similarly, we also all know it’s very few that can or will.

So, yea.

(02-27-2018 07:36 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He can not say for sure he’d run in there. That’s not me calling him a coward, just in a situation that scary and stressful that you’ve had no training for you don’t know how you’d react. I’d like to say I’d for sure run in there and risk my life to try to save them, but I’m honest enough to know I have no idea how I would react. It takes a special type of person to have the courage to run into that type of situation, and in a lot of cases you can train and think you are ready for it and then when it all goes down you aren’t.

Meanwhile, the trained officer is saying he thought the shots were coming from outside the school. But I'm sure Donnie with his great brain would have known they were inside.

(02-27-2018 09:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  so what I am seeing here is that most of you dont have the balls to go in and help kids that are being killed... not surprised.

Right...nor does most anyone anywhere. Just go look at any footage of terror attacks or armed shooter attacks in the world. Nearly everyone shown is running away...it's just human nature for nearly all of us. Except for you and Don of course.

Lot of parents with kids in the building would want to save their kids. Otherwise, my guess, less than 5% would run in. Guessing again, that's probably extremely high. We see this stuff on tv all the time. People run away.

How many did you all see in Vegas running towards the gun fire. Yeah, I saw none too.

Well Paul, you are wrong again.

http://abc13.com/las-vegas-area-man-save...o/2492494/

Maybe I am cut out of a different cloth than most of you, maybe I dont fear death as most of you, or maybe I just put everybody's else life above mine. But I rather have someone with me saying that they will run in with me to help save others, than to have someone with me saying "f this, I am gone!".

(02-27-2018 10:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Well Paul, you are wrong again.

http://abc13.com/las-vegas-area-man-save...o/2492494/

Maybe I am cut out of a different cloth than most of you, maybe I dont fear death as most of you, or maybe I just put everybody's else life above mine. But I rather have someone with me saying that they will run in with me to help save others, than to have someone with me saying "f this, I am gone!".

If Paul did not ever hear about this guy or see the video, he's not wrong.

And he clearly said he'd expect 5% or much less run in...and that's probably a pretty accurate number.

And while you say you'd run in...since I doubt you've ever been in the situation...can you really know for certain you would? Not questioning your bravery, but it may depend upon the situation. If you see a guy right in front of you with a weapon pointed at or near you, would you run at him or run away? It's a much easier decision from behind a keyboard.

(02-27-2018 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 10:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Well Paul, you are wrong again.

http://abc13.com/las-vegas-area-man-save...o/2492494/

Maybe I am cut out of a different cloth than most of you, maybe I dont fear death as most of you, or maybe I just put everybody's else life above mine. But I rather have someone with me saying that they will run in with me to help save others, than to have someone with me saying "f this, I am gone!".

If Paul did not ever hear about this guy or see the video, he's not wrong.

And he clearly said he'd expect 5% or much less run in...and that's probably a pretty accurate number.

And while you say you'd run in...since I doubt you've ever been in the situation...can you really know for certain you would? Not questioning your bravery, but it may depend upon the situation. If you see a guy right in front of you with a weapon pointed at or near you, would you run at him or run away? It's a much easier decision from behind a keyboard.

given the fact that if someone is pointing a weapon at me, more than likely he will shoot me and my chance of survival will immediately decrease, so I live by the motto, "I rather die fighting, than die running."

(02-27-2018 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 10:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Well Paul, you are wrong again.

http://abc13.com/las-vegas-area-man-save...o/2492494/

Maybe I am cut out of a different cloth than most of you, maybe I dont fear death as most of you, or maybe I just put everybody's else life above mine. But I rather have someone with me saying that they will run in with me to help save others, than to have someone with me saying "f this, I am gone!".

If Paul did not ever hear about this guy or see the video, he's not wrong.

And he clearly said he'd expect 5% or much less run in...and that's probably a pretty accurate number.

And while you say you'd run in...since I doubt you've ever been in the situation...can you really know for certain you would? Not questioning your bravery, but it may depend upon the situation. If you see a guy right in front of you with a weapon pointed at or near you, would you run at him or run away? It's a much easier decision from behind a keyboard.

have you ever been in any kind of a fight....

have you ever had a gun put to your head.....

you find out real quick whether you have balls or not.....

it's not hard to decipher what you and paul have hanging....

#labia

(02-27-2018 11:17 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 10:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Well Paul, you are wrong again.

http://abc13.com/las-vegas-area-man-save...o/2492494/

Maybe I am cut out of a different cloth than most of you, maybe I dont fear death as most of you, or maybe I just put everybody's else life above mine. But I rather have someone with me saying that they will run in with me to help save others, than to have someone with me saying "f this, I am gone!".

If Paul did not ever hear about this guy or see the video, he's not wrong.

And he clearly said he'd expect 5% or much less run in...and that's probably a pretty accurate number.

And while you say you'd run in...since I doubt you've ever been in the situation...can you really know for certain you would? Not questioning your bravery, but it may depend upon the situation. If you see a guy right in front of you with a weapon pointed at or near you, would you run at him or run away? It's a much easier decision from behind a keyboard.

have you ever been in any kind of a fight....

have you ever had a gun put to your head.....

you find out real quick whether you have balls or not.....

it's not hard to decipher what you and paul have hanging....

#labia

Why are you so interested in what we have hanging stink?

Are you ever gonna be right when talking to me? Ever?

cant hear, you are too far away. come back to the conversation.

Anybody remember that time that an unarmed Donald Trump saved the day and stopped a mugging?

Donald Trump - Hero

"Trump was riding around Manhattan in his limo with his girlfriend, and later wife, Marla Maples. He saw a guy beating another guy. Trump told his driver to pull over. Maples did not want him to get involved.

But he did.

Trump told James Rosen of the Daily News, "The guy with the bat looked at me, and I said, 'Look, you’ve gotta stop this. Put down the bat.' I guess he recognized me because he said, 'Mr. Trump, I didn’t do anything wrong.' I said, 'How could you not do anything wrong when you’re whacking a guy with a bat?' Then he ran away."

There were witnesses, including Kathleen Romeo, who told the newspaper that when he emerged from his limo, the crowd cried, "There's Trump."

Romeo also said, "A lot of people were surprised that he got out to see what was happening."

I wonder why the crowd did not stop the beating.

Weeks earlier, his 79-year-old mother was attacked but bread deliveryman Lawrence Herbert chased the mugger down and apprehended the 16-year-old thug.

Trump then wrote a check that saved Herbert's home from foreclosure. Trump by then was familiar with not being able to meet a loan payment.

So in one instance, he used his fame to stop a mugging. In another, he used his fortune to stop a man from losing his home."

(02-26-2018 02:20 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I've got more faith in Trump that the two in here saying otherwise.

Those idiot late night hosts are making fun of Trump for what he said and yes, I laughed too. So I gave them that much.

But, my question is: How many times have those snowflakes, aka late night hosts ever done anything heroic or for that matter how many times have any of them puff their chests and said "I'd do this or that...?" Knowing full well they'd run the other direction. Anything, tell us about a heroic deed. Then THEY can talk.

(02-27-2018 07:21 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 06:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  President Rambo would have went in there snappin necks then cashed some checks.....

Bare hands mfers........ no need for no punk ass AR-15

My gosh.

Maybe I read you wrong, but if you roll in to the faculty lot, late again, on a Wednesday morning in your 12 YO Subaru, and hear shots going off inside the school, what do you do? Sit outside and listen to the screams of your students?

I’ll honestly give you more credit than that, and I’ve met you as many times as I’ve met said Rambo.

Why would I expect/suspect much less of an otherwise tough minded Brooklynite like a Trump? Cause he has money?!?

Sounds jelly, bro. You jelly?

It's "GONE" Mach, "GONE"...and you profess to be the smartest cookie in the cookie jar. Sheesh.

(02-27-2018 10:02 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:36 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He can not say for sure he’d run in there. That’s not me calling him a coward, just in a situation that scary and stressful that you’ve had no training for you don’t know how you’d react. I’d like to say I’d for sure run in there and risk my life to try to save them, but I’m honest enough to know I have no idea how I would react. It takes a special type of person to have the courage to run into that type of situation, and in a lot of cases you can train and think you are ready for it and then when it all goes down you aren’t.

Well, of course. That’s true of damn near everyone from top to bottom.

Like him or hate him, I (personally) have great respect for John McCain for how he handled and what he DIDN’T do when he got shot down in Vietnam. I think we’d all like to think we’d do and react the same way, very few could or would.

Another example in my mind, my Wife’s Uncle: Dad (Grandpa) was the CEO of Westinghouse, Va., #2 in Va. Power. Limos, helicopters, later on oversaw/CEO of the early Nimitz class carriers.

Anyway, Her uncle, a very talented golfer as a kid, got a full ride offer to Duke. Dads connections/standing likely didn’t hurt. Scratch or better player, well could have made a nice career of it.

He went for two years, then dropped out. Volunteered to become an Army Ranger, then was a Tunnel Rat, working behind enemy lines, armed with a single .45 and a flashlight...

Point being, a complete, total 180 from his prior life, and one ever knows how they will react to things.

One day this guy had a nice life by the balls, a few short months later he was getting doused, behind enemy lines, with Agent Orange.

I think we’d all like to believe we would react similarly, we also all know it’s very few that can or will.

So, yea.

Kudos to your uncle. He IS a brave man. Any tunnel rat in my opinion has balls the size of a bull. Myself, I'd never go into a tunnel like they had in Vietnam in war or peace. I have a very big dislike of cramped spaces. I went through the Fire Department Tunnel and since I was blindfolded it wasn't so bad, it's all psychological, that helped. Just the idea of my SCBA would make me uncomfortable but I did it because I liked to eat and so did my family.

(02-27-2018 11:15 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 10:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Well Paul, you are wrong again.

http://abc13.com/las-vegas-area-man-save...o/2492494/

Maybe I am cut out of a different cloth than most of you, maybe I dont fear death as most of you, or maybe I just put everybody's else life above mine. But I rather have someone with me saying that they will run in with me to help save others, than to have someone with me saying "f this, I am gone!".

If Paul did not ever hear about this guy or see the video, he's not wrong.

And he clearly said he'd expect 5% or much less run in...and that's probably a pretty accurate number.

And while you say you'd run in...since I doubt you've ever been in the situation...can you really know for certain you would? Not questioning your bravery, but it may depend upon the situation. If you see a guy right in front of you with a weapon pointed at or near you, would you run at him or run away? It's a much easier decision from behind a keyboard.

given the fact that if someone is pointing a weapon at me, more than likely he will shoot me and my chance of survival will immediately decrease, so I live by the motto, "I rather die fighting, than die running."

"Este si es Chicano"! Most of us of that ethnicity live by that motto.

(02-27-2018 02:30 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 10:02 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:36 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He can not say for sure he’d run in there. That’s not me calling him a coward, just in a situation that scary and stressful that you’ve had no training for you don’t know how you’d react. I’d like to say I’d for sure run in there and risk my life to try to save them, but I’m honest enough to know I have no idea how I would react. It takes a special type of person to have the courage to run into that type of situation, and in a lot of cases you can train and think you are ready for it and then when it all goes down you aren’t.

Well, of course. That’s true of damn near everyone from top to bottom.

Like him or hate him, I (personally) have great respect for John McCain for how he handled and what he DIDN’T do when he got shot down in Vietnam. I think we’d all like to think we’d do and react the same way, very few could or would.

Another example in my mind, my Wife’s Uncle: Dad (Grandpa) was the CEO of Westinghouse, Va., #2 in Va. Power. Limos, helicopters, later on oversaw/CEO of the early Nimitz class carriers.

Anyway, Her uncle, a very talented golfer as a kid, got a full ride offer to Duke. Dads connections/standing likely didn’t hurt. Scratch or better player, well could have made a nice career of it.

He went for two years, then dropped out. Volunteered to become an Army Ranger, then was a Tunnel Rat, working behind enemy lines, armed with a single .45 and a flashlight...

Point being, a complete, total 180 from his prior life, and one ever knows how they will react to things.

One day this guy had a nice life by the balls, a few short months later he was getting doused, behind enemy lines, with Agent Orange.

I think we’d all like to believe we would react similarly, we also all know it’s very few that can or will.

So, yea.

Kudos to your uncle. He IS a brave man. Any tunnel rat in my opinion has balls the size of a bull. Myself, I'd never go into a tunnel like they had in Vietnam in war or peace. I have a very big dislike of cramped spaces. I went through the Fire Department Tunnel and since I was blindfolded it wasn't so bad, it's all psychological, that helped. Just the idea of my SCBA would make me uncomfortable but I did it because I liked to eat and so did my family.

Wife's Uncle, but yea tough brave Mf@#$er for a little guy too. Doesn't talk alot about it to this day, but he has told stories of coming upon the enemy in the tunnels and have to *ahem, neutralize them with his bayonet.

Crazy ish that someone volunteers for that stuff. If there was still a draft when
I was coming up I would have just joined the Navy... lol

I believe that he believes he’d go in there unarmed. I don’t believe that he actually would though. The vast majority wouldn’t, trained or not.

https://www.snopes.com/trump-stops-mugging-1991/


Conflicting reports on cadet bone spurs stopp9ng a mugging.