(03-17-2018 02:19 PM)HogDawg Wrote: Regarding the east coast add, I'd like to see CUSA pursue a good "basketball school"....get creative. For example, UMASS currently competes as an FBS football independent. Would the Minutemen consider leaving the A-10 in mens basketball, to become a full member of CUSA?
The UMASS football team left the MAC in 2015 and UMASS has really struggled as an independent the last few years, so they need a good football conference. At one point, UMASS officials even announced they would be "looking for a more suitable conference", and would only be a football independent for the 2016 and 2017 seasons. They further stated that they would be talking to the AAC, CUSA and the Sunbelt about membership.
IMO, UMASS would be a great add to CUSA in the east.
Speaking of absurdity...
Are you just trolling with this nonsense?
The reason we're having this conversation in the first place, is because UTEP is on such an island in the west. UMASS would be an even bigger island in the east, ODU is the only program less than 750 miles from Amherst.
So MT and WKU are definitely no votes, as UMASS would push one of us west and you know, there's also the factor that Amherst is 1,000 miles from either of us.
Is Marshall going to vote to trade a ~300 mile trip to one of MT or WKU in favor of a ~750 mile trip to UMASS?
FAU/FIU gonna make that trade? One of MT/WKU for UMASS.
ODU is the only vote I see as even possibly being yes.
In a time where most of us are trying to find a way to shrink the footprint, only HD would suggest adding someone 525 miles from the nearest existing member.
(03-17-2018 12:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: If UTEP were to leave (and I really hope they don't), I think C-USA West would have the biggest say in who if anyone replaced them.
My first choice would be to leave C-USA West at 6 teams. I see no financial or competitive advantage in adding another program to C-USA West.
Even in the unlikely event that we were to add a new program, I believe Arkansas State would be the only real option that could gain a majority of support from C-USA West members. Of course, Arkansas State may not be interested.
Agree. Thats probably the most prudent way to proceed if you lose two. Just stay at 12. Thats what the AAC was planning on doing if they lost two to the Big12. They were just going to stay at 10.
(03-16-2018 04:52 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: If UTEP were to bolt, would CUSA then reach out to TXST?
I can't see why Texas State would be the choice, if UTEP were to leave, 9 out of 13 members would be east of the Mississippi, so I'm not sure I see us going back into Texas in that case.
While I would entertain the idea of any Sun Belt member apart from ULM, I wouldn't be too keen on GS, GSU, App or Coastal, as that would push one of MT/WKU to the west.
My first choice would be South Alabama, Mobile is far closer to 11/13 members compared to UTEP. Even Houston is nearly twice as close to Mobile as it is to El Paso, Louisiana would be my second choice, and while I personally don't much care for Arkansas State, I would rather have them in the west than see one of us or WKU pushed west, so the Howl Yeahs would be my third choice.
USA over ULL PiKapp?
Yes, though not by some wide margin. They have deeper pockets and I prefer the city, campus and facilities. They need to replace Ladd Peebles, butI definitely prefer the Mitchell Center to the Cajundome.
But if the Techsters wanna make nice with the Cajuns and that's the preference of the rest of the conference, I'd be fine with that.
Nope. That's one of the most absurd things I've heard. ULL has a long history of being sanctioned/penalized by the NCAA for recruiting violations in football and basketball, and an even longer history of producing pitiful seasons in both sports, but particularly football. ULL is even on probation right now for falsifying ACT college entrance exam test results, and providing recruits illegal payments during recent football recruiting. In 2015, ULL had to vacate their entire 2011 football season, including the program’s New Orleans Bowl victory against San Diego State. The NCAA also ruled that UL Lafayette had to vacate all football games from 2012 through 2014 in which ineligible student-athletes participated. In 2016, ULL also had 13 football players arrested for felony theft. And who can forget the "anti-Trump" video that went viral, and caused some ULL players to be suspended?
Why take on that baggage? We're not running a prison camp here.
We don't need THAT nonsense in CUSA. Just pick USA or a nice school on the east coast (JMU or Appy maybe?) and be done with it. Or better yet, why add another mouth to feed? We need to start looking out for the welfare of CUSA. I know that hasn't been in vogue around here, but we need to start doing what's best for CUSA.
lol---Over the years, Ive come to see that LaTech fans and ULL fans have the same deep seated hatred for one another that I see in UT and A&M fans in Texas. FWIW--I really wish you two played every year. I think that game would be must see TV in Louisiana in no time---and would become a well watched rivalry game outside of the state soon after. You cant tell me the stadiums for that game would not be packed full with a spirited and rambunctious crowd (they'd probably be a little drunk too). I know I'd watch it every year.
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(03-17-2018 02:19 PM)HogDawg Wrote: Regarding the east coast add, I'd like to see CUSA pursue a good "basketball school"....get creative. For example, UMASS currently competes as an FBS football independent. Would the Minutemen consider leaving the A-10 in mens basketball, to become a full member of CUSA?
The UMASS football team left the MAC in 2015 and UMASS has really struggled as an independent the last few years, so they need a good football conference. At one point, UMASS officials even announced they would be "looking for a more suitable conference", and would only be a football independent for the 2016 and 2017 seasons. They further stated that they would be talking to the AAC, CUSA and the Sunbelt about membership.
IMO, UMASS would be a great add to CUSA in the east.
Speaking of absurdity...
Are you just trolling with this nonsense?
The reason we're having this conversation in the first place, is because UTEP is on such an island in the west. UMASS would be an even bigger island in the east, ODU is the only program less than 750 miles from Amherst.
So MT and WKU are definitely no votes, as UMASS would push one of us west and you know, there's also the factor that Amherst is 1,000 miles from either of us.
Is Marshall going to vote to trade a ~300 mile trip to one of MT or WKU in favor of a ~750 mile trip to UMASS?
FAU/FIU gonna make that trade? One of MT/WKU for UMASS.
ODU is the only vote I see as even possibly being yes.
In a time where most of us are trying to find a way to shrink the footprint, only HD would suggest adding someone 525 miles from the nearest existing member.
I only suggested UMASS as an example of the creativity needed for an East add-on. In fact, I clearly stated that UMASS was just an EXAMPLE. Of course, you can't read anyway. LOL! Then again, you would beeech about the sun coming up in the east tommorrow morning. That's your specialty....COMPLAINING.
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(03-16-2018 03:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote: Well, I'd be happy for you but unless you take the other TX teams with you I'm not real happy about it (no offense to TX teams). We'd be uneven and would have to replace eventually, probably with TXST. I'd rather keep the Miners.
(03-17-2018 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote: Nope. That's one of the most absurd things I've heard. ULL has a long history of being sanctioned/penalized by the NCAA for recruiting violations in football and basketball, and an even longer history of producing pitiful seasons in both sports, but particularly football. ULL is even on probation right now for falsifying ACT college entrance exam test results, and providing recruits illegal payments during recent football recruiting. In 2015, ULL had to vacate their entire 2011 football season, including the program’s New Orleans Bowl victory against San Diego State. The NCAA also ruled that UL Lafayette had to vacate all football games from 2012 through 2014 in which ineligible student-athletes participated. In 2016, ULL also had 13 football players arrested for felony theft. And who can forget the "anti-Trump" video that went viral, and caused some ULL players to be suspended?
Why take on that baggage? We're not running a prison camp here.
We don't need THAT nonsense in CUSA. Just pick USA or a nice school on the east coast (JMU or Appy maybe?) and be done with it. Or better yet, why add another mouth to feed? We need to start looking out for the welfare of CUSA. I know that hasn't been in vogue around here, but we need to start doing what's best for CUSA.
Your gift for hyperbole never ceases to amaze. Louisiana to CUSA, "one of the most absurd things you've ever heard"? Even if you meant the "Techsters playing nice" with Louisiana, while I agree, that's pretty absurd, but let's not get carried away.
As a reminder, USA was my first pick, I simply replied that if the group chose Louisiana over USA, I'd be fine with that.
As for an east coast add, it seems unlikely without some creative solution to MT/WKU being split up, neither of us would vote to be split up, I also don't think too many east members would vote to push one of MT/WKU to the west in favor of Appy or JMU. I doubt either would get more than a couple of votes for that reason.
As for the "anti-45 video", if that's supposed to make me dislike them, that's a big miscalculation on your part. **** 45.
Regarding the east coast add, I'd like to see CUSA pursue a good "basketball school"....get creative. For example, UMASS currently competes as an FBS football independent. Would the Minutemen consider leaving the A-10 in mens basketball, to become a full member of CUSA?
The UMASS football team left the MAC in 2015 and UMASS has really struggled as an independent the last few years, so they need a good football conference. At one point, UMASS officials even announced they would be "looking for a more suitable conference", and would only be a football independent for the 2016 and 2017 seasons. They further stated that they would be talking to the AAC, CUSA and the Sunbelt about membership.
IMO, UMASS would be a great add to CUSA in the east.
UMASS RPI is 240 for this year. Please tell me how/why they would be a good add? Their football is terrible and their basketball hasn't been good since the 1990s.
Oh sure.....it's only about TODAY. What a dumbarse thing to say from a guy who's conference added FAU when it was crap in football, and now it is at the top of the conference. Please THINK before posting again.
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(03-17-2018 11:23 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: I can't see why Texas State would be the choice, if UTEP were to leave, 9 out of 13 members would be east of the Mississippi, so I'm not sure I see us going back into Texas in that case.
While I would entertain the idea of any Sun Belt member apart from ULM, I wouldn't be too keen on GS, GSU, App or Coastal, as that would push one of MT/WKU to the west.
My first choice would be South Alabama, Mobile is far closer to 11/13 members compared to UTEP. Even Houston is nearly twice as close to Mobile as it is to El Paso, Louisiana would be my second choice, and while I personally don't much care for Arkansas State, I would rather have them in the west than see one of us or WKU pushed west, so the Howl Yeahs would be my third choice.
USA over ULL PiKapp?
Yes, though not by some wide margin. They have deeper pockets and I prefer the city, campus and facilities. They need to replace Ladd Peebles, butI definitely prefer the Mitchell Center to the Cajundome.
But if the Techsters wanna make nice with the Cajuns and that's the preference of the rest of the conference, I'd be fine with that.
Nope. That's one of the most absurd things I've heard. ULL has a long history of being sanctioned/penalized by the NCAA for recruiting violations in football and basketball, and an even longer history of producing pitiful seasons in both sports, but particularly football. ULL is even on probation right now for falsifying ACT college entrance exam test results, and providing recruits illegal payments during recent football recruiting. In 2015, ULL had to vacate their entire 2011 football season, including the program’s New Orleans Bowl victory against San Diego State. The NCAA also ruled that UL Lafayette had to vacate all football games from 2012 through 2014 in which ineligible student-athletes participated. In 2016, ULL also had 13 football players arrested for felony theft. And who can forget the "anti-Trump" video that went viral, and caused some ULL players to be suspended?
Why take on that baggage? We're not running a prison camp here.
We don't need THAT nonsense in CUSA. Just pick USA or a nice school on the east coast (JMU or Appy maybe?) and be done with it. Or better yet, why add another mouth to feed? We need to start looking out for the welfare of CUSA. I know that hasn't been in vogue around here, but we need to start doing what's best for CUSA.
lol---Over the years, Ive come to see that LA Tech fans and ULL fans have the same deep seated hatred for one another that I see in UT and A&M fans in Texas. FWIW--I really wish you two played every year. I think that game would be must see TV in Louisiana in no time---and would become a well watched rivalry game outside of the state soon after. You cant tell me the stadiums for that game would not be packed full with a spirited and rambunctious crowd (they'd probably be a little drunk too). I know I'd watch it every year.
I agree that you would THINK so. But ULL has ALWAYS traveled very poorly to Ruston. Maybe 1K, tops!
If I were Marshall's president, I would block any addition that would force WKU or MT to the west. The only options in my mind would be USA, ULL, or Troy. The problem would be if the MWC took two teams. Then someone from the east would le have to shift west because we should stay at 12 if we lose 2 teams.
(03-17-2018 11:25 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote: USA over ULL PiKapp?
Yes, though not by some wide margin. They have deeper pockets and I prefer the city, campus and facilities. They need to replace Ladd Peebles, butI definitely prefer the Mitchell Center to the Cajundome.
But if the Techsters wanna make nice with the Cajuns and that's the preference of the rest of the conference, I'd be fine with that.
Nope. That's one of the most absurd things I've heard. ULL has a long history of being sanctioned/penalized by the NCAA for recruiting violations in football and basketball, and an even longer history of producing pitiful seasons in both sports, but particularly football. ULL is even on probation right now for falsifying ACT college entrance exam test results, and providing recruits illegal payments during recent football recruiting. In 2015, ULL had to vacate their entire 2011 football season, including the program’s New Orleans Bowl victory against San Diego State. The NCAA also ruled that UL Lafayette had to vacate all football games from 2012 through 2014 in which ineligible student-athletes participated. In 2016, ULL also had 13 football players arrested for felony theft. And who can forget the "anti-Trump" video that went viral, and caused some ULL players to be suspended?
Why take on that baggage? We're not running a prison camp here.
We don't need THAT nonsense in CUSA. Just pick USA or a nice school on the east coast (JMU or Appy maybe?) and be done with it. Or better yet, why add another mouth to feed? We need to start looking out for the welfare of CUSA. I know that hasn't been in vogue around here, but we need to start doing what's best for CUSA.
lol---Over the years, Ive come to see that LA Tech fans and ULL fans have the same deep seated hatred for one another that I see in UT and A&M fans in Texas. FWIW--I really wish you two played every year. I think that game would be must see TV in Louisiana in no time---and would become a well watched rivalry game outside of the state soon after. You cant tell me the stadiums for that game would not be packed full with a spirited and rambunctious crowd (they'd probably be a little drunk too). I know I'd watch it every year.
I agree that you would THINK so. But ULL has ALWAYS traveled very poorly to Ruston. Maybe 1K, tops!
There is a limit to how far north you can travel in one of those air boats
When the kool aid you're drinking wears of realize you're not luring anyone away from the Sunbelt. Benson has made good decision after good decision while your commissioner couldn't navigate a Chuck E Cheese buffet line with a map and a sherpa.
(03-17-2018 09:59 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: When the kool aid you're drinking wears of realize you're not luring anyone away from the Sunbelt. Benson has made good decision after good decision while your commissioner couldn't navigate a Chuck E Cheese buffet line with a map and a sherpa.
(03-17-2018 09:59 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: When the kool aid you're drinking wears of realize you're not luring anyone away from the Sunbelt. Benson has made good decision after good decision while your commissioner couldn't navigate a Chuck E Cheese buffet line with a map and a sherpa.
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Keep telling yourself that. The top teams in the Belt would bolt first chance given. Maybe not AppSt. though because their a one trick pony. Wouldn't want them in CUSA.
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(03-17-2018 09:59 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: When the kool aid you're drinking wears of realize you're not luring anyone away from the Sunbelt. Benson has made good decision after good decision while your commissioner couldn't navigate a Chuck E Cheese buffet line with a map and a sherpa.
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Keep telling yourself that. The top teams in the Belt would bolt first chance given. Maybe not AppSt. though because their a one trick pony. Wouldn't want them in CUSA.
(03-17-2018 09:59 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: When the kool aid you're drinking wears of realize you're not luring anyone away from the Sunbelt. Benson has made good decision after good decision while your commissioner couldn't navigate a Chuck E Cheese buffet line with a map and a sherpa.
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Keep telling yourself that. The top teams in the Belt would bolt first chance given. Maybe not AppSt. though because their a one trick pony. Wouldn't want them in CUSA.
*they're.
Good God.
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Is that all you have? Spelling on a message board.
(03-17-2018 04:13 PM)HogDawg Wrote: I only suggested UMASS as an example of the creativity needed for an East add-on. In fact, I clearly stated that UMASS was just an EXAMPLE. Of course, you can't read anyway. LOL! Then again, you would beeech about the sun coming up in the east tommorrow morning. That's your specialty....COMPLAINING.
An example? You literally asked if they would accept an invite and if you were just throwing out an example that wasn't an actual suggestion, you didn't even pick that good of a program to boot.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the tremendously stupid suggestion "example" of UMASS. If UMASS is just an "example" who would be an actual suggestion of one of these "creative" adds you'd like to see?
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(03-17-2018 09:59 PM)APPdiesel Wrote: When the kool aid you're drinking wears of realize you're not luring anyone away from the Sunbelt. Benson has made good decision after good decision while your commissioner couldn't navigate a Chuck E Cheese buffet line with a map and a sherpa.
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Keep telling yourself that.
The only way to gird yourself against further defections is to put something in writing.
Speaking purely in the hypothetical, suppose CUSA needed to add two members and we invited App and GS, you guys talk it over and turn us down, so we turn to USA and Louisiana and they both say yes, leaving the Sun Belt to backfill with FCS members again and/or possibly bring back NMSU for a third stint.
Unless you know everyone will say no, you can't say no yourself.
(03-17-2018 10:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: How legit would UTEP going to the MWC be?
I mean, I am sure they have been talking since they joined CUSA about possibly leaving nearly every time CUSA added schools after their entry.
Who knows. It's probably nothing but like you said I'm sure they have been pushing hard for it. I would hate to lose UTEP but the MWC is a better fit for them. Maybe they could reach their full potential in that conference. Lord knows they have been struggling lately in CUSA. Whatever happens CUSA would be in a good position to get a top team from the Belt if we want to balance the conference.
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Rumor to make most CUSA fans hopeful
What a dumbarse thing to say from a guy who's conference added FAU when it was crap in football, and now it is at the top of the conference. Please THINK before posting again.
