(04-03-2018 08:21 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 07:41 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 06:18 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:31 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  I'll be honest, I have a tough time with your writing. I think I know what you're saying here, so if I don't know something, teach me.

I'm simply wondering how an asylum-seeker which declared themselves at the border is an illegal immigrant (as SuperFlyBCat stated)?

I don't dispute that they're traveling through Mexico illegally, but if the border is reached and they ask for asylum, it seems like the letter of the law is being followed.

Question: If the person is an asylum seeker why is it that Mexico can't be the destination for THAT asylum. They are seeking asylum FROM their Central American country which would make Mexico asylum worthy.

Because if you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The place you've heard has rampant cartel issues, corruption, and is economically limited. Or the place where there's a robust economy, a fair (albeit not perfect) political system, and immigrants have been welcomed and have succeeded for hundreds of years.

This is what makes America exceptional; we genuinely are the shining city upon a hill.

Just what % of those people are uneducated?
Just what % of those people have no marketable work skills?
Just what % of those people don't speak a word of English?

Just because we're a "shining city upon a hill" doesn't mean we need to open up the gates for any trash that wants in.

Sorry, we have enough CITIZENS in this country that are basically unemployable, we don't need to be importing even more.

We have 325 million people in this country. We are $21 trillion in debt. We no longer should be or CAN be the depository for the world's dredges.

What we need to do is put up a sign saying "if you don't have an education and skills that will BENEFIT AMERICA, no need applying".

This is an argument as old as the United States itself, from the dredges of Germany to the dredges of Ireland to the dredges of Italy to the dredges of China and now, to the dredges of the Americas. In the end, they've positively contributed to the overall health, well-being, and story of the United States. Obviously I can't guarantee it, but your belief has typically been on the wrong side of history.

But I do get it; we're a capitalist nation and as such, there's an expectation that everyone should bring capital value to our economy. However, this nation isn't built on capitalism. It's built on men and women that seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - capitalism is a byproduct of the philosophies.

ps. The debt is an entirely different issue and of things that can reduce or reverse it, immigration is low on the list. But that's for a separate discussion.

that would be true until the industrial revolution.....keep it up.....I'm certain there are more ways to butcher this subject....

how you don't understand protecting the driving force behind commerce is beyond my ability to rationalize.....that would be the USD if you didn't get that one...

your train of thinking is what most 12 yr. old folk believe matters....thank the good goodies for the ones that do not....

(04-03-2018 08:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 07:18 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Every liberal preaching sermons in this thread need to take in as many of these illegals as possible into their own homes.

If not, then they have no room to lecture us.

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
If you can't add any commentary that is relevant....then DO NOT post and derail. It is BS.

(04-03-2018 08:21 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 07:41 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 06:18 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:31 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  I'll be honest, I have a tough time with your writing. I think I know what you're saying here, so if I don't know something, teach me.

I'm simply wondering how an asylum-seeker which declared themselves at the border is an illegal immigrant (as SuperFlyBCat stated)?

I don't dispute that they're traveling through Mexico illegally, but if the border is reached and they ask for asylum, it seems like the letter of the law is being followed.

Question: If the person is an asylum seeker why is it that Mexico can't be the destination for THAT asylum. They are seeking asylum FROM their Central American country which would make Mexico asylum worthy.

Because if you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The place you've heard has rampant cartel issues, corruption, and is economically limited. Or the place where there's a robust economy, a fair (albeit not perfect) political system, and immigrants have been welcomed and have succeeded for hundreds of years.

This is what makes America exceptional; we genuinely are the shining city upon a hill.

Just what % of those people are uneducated?
Just what % of those people have no marketable work skills?
Just what % of those people don't speak a word of English?

Just because we're a "shining city upon a hill" doesn't mean we need to open up the gates for any trash that wants in.

Sorry, we have enough CITIZENS in this country that are basically unemployable, we don't need to be importing even more.

We have 325 million people in this country. We are $21 trillion in debt. We no longer should be or CAN be the depository for the world's dredges.

What we need to do is put up a sign saying "if you don't have an education and skills that will BENEFIT AMERICA, no need applying".

This is an argument as old as the United States itself, from the dredges of Germany to the dredges of Ireland to the dredges of Italy to the dredges of China and now, to the dredges of the Americas. In the end, they've positively contributed to the overall health, well-being, and story of the United States. Obviously I can't guarantee it, but your belief has typically been on the wrong side of history.

But I do get it; we're a capitalist nation and as such, there's an expectation that everyone should bring capital value to our economy. However, this nation isn't built on capitalism. It's built on men and women that seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - capitalism is a byproduct of the philosophies.

ps. The debt is an entirely different issue and of things that can reduce or reverse it, immigration is low on the list. But that's for a separate discussion.

Apples and Oranges.

100+ years ago, we were still a developing nation. There was a need for unskilled labor, whether it be digging ditches or assembling cars. That unskilled labor (mostly) came here legally, were thoroughly vetted and had a rather lengthy and complex process before gaining entry.

http://www.ellisisland.se/english/ellisi...ation1.asp

Today, most of that unskilled labor is being done by machines and/or robots. People NEED to have an education and skills to not only survive, but flourish in today's workplace. There are only so many lawn mowing jobs available.

With the changing landscape, we should be focusing on immigrants who have the skills to succeed, not the ones who will be a further drain on the system.

(04-03-2018 08:49 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:21 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 07:41 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 06:18 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  Because if you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The place you've heard has rampant cartel issues, corruption, and is economically limited. Or the place where there's a robust economy, a fair (albeit not perfect) political system, and immigrants have been welcomed and have succeeded for hundreds of years.

This is what makes America exceptional; we genuinely are the shining city upon a hill.

Just what % of those people are uneducated?
Just what % of those people have no marketable work skills?
Just what % of those people don't speak a word of English?

Just because we're a "shining city upon a hill" doesn't mean we need to open up the gates for any trash that wants in.

Sorry, we have enough CITIZENS in this country that are basically unemployable, we don't need to be importing even more.

We have 325 million people in this country. We are $21 trillion in debt. We no longer should be or CAN be the depository for the world's dredges.

What we need to do is put up a sign saying "if you don't have an education and skills that will BENEFIT AMERICA, no need applying".

This is an argument as old as the United States itself, from the dredges of Germany to the dredges of Ireland to the dredges of Italy to the dredges of China and now, to the dredges of the Americas. In the end, they've positively contributed to the overall health, well-being, and story of the United States. Obviously I can't guarantee it, but your belief has typically been on the wrong side of history.

But I do get it; we're a capitalist nation and as such, there's an expectation that everyone should bring capital value to our economy. However, this nation isn't built on capitalism. It's built on men and women that seek life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - capitalism is a byproduct of the philosophies.

ps. The debt is an entirely different issue and of things that can reduce or reverse it, immigration is low on the list. But that's for a separate discussion.

that would be true until the industrial revolution.....keep it up.....I'm certain there are more ways to butcher this subject....

how you don't understand protecting the driving force behind commerce is beyond my ability to rationalize.....that would be the USD if you didn't get that one...

your train of thinking is what most 12 yr. old folk believe matters....thank the good goodies for the ones that do not....

I disagree. I'd argue that even today, immigrants (seeking a better life) still have a large part in the competition that's needed for capitalism to succeed, and that immigration is a good way to offset the complacency that naturally occurs as a whole with a native-born society.

But I have to get back to work so perhaps I'll jump in later.

you'll want to reference Badger's post above.....he expanded on the 'why' is much nicer than thyself...

present the argument if you dare.....your widdle feewings don't matter to me....

I can't wait to hear your logic (drools)....

(04-02-2018 09:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:31 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:02 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 01:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If they cross into the USA they will be in the USA illegally. Are you going to contribute something more substantial?

If they cross the border as asylum-seekers, as planned, how is it illegal?

It's a perfectly legal option to anyone who makes it to the border.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-847212-post-15...id15223947

pay close attention to not waiting for a thread to play out before responding....do you have a clue how the law is currently structured and why that is......

#youdonot

I'll be honest, I have a tough time with your writing. I think I know what you're saying here, so if I don't know something, teach me.

I'm simply wondering how an asylum-seeker which declared themselves at the border is an illegal immigrant (as SuperFlyBCat stated)?

I don't dispute that they're traveling through Mexico illegally, but if the border is reached and they ask for asylum, it seems like the letter of the law is being followed.

Question: If the person is an asylum seeker why is it that Mexico can't be the destination for THAT asylum. They are seeking asylum FROM their Central American country which would make Mexico asylum worthy.

This!

This right here!

Why isn't Mexico their asylum destination?

If people don't see an ulterior motive then they are either blind or they're closing their eyes on purpose.

(04-03-2018 08:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 07:18 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Every liberal preaching sermons in this thread need to take in as many of these illegals as possible into their own homes.

If not, then they have no room to lecture us.

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
If you can't add any commentary that is relevant....then DO NOT post and derail. It is BS.

Totally agree...that's why I called his straw man argument out.

(04-03-2018 09:47 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:31 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:02 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  If they cross the border as asylum-seekers, as planned, how is it illegal?

It's a perfectly legal option to anyone who makes it to the border.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-847212-post-15...id15223947

pay close attention to not waiting for a thread to play out before responding....do you have a clue how the law is currently structured and why that is......

#youdonot

I'll be honest, I have a tough time with your writing. I think I know what you're saying here, so if I don't know something, teach me.

I'm simply wondering how an asylum-seeker which declared themselves at the border is an illegal immigrant (as SuperFlyBCat stated)?

I don't dispute that they're traveling through Mexico illegally, but if the border is reached and they ask for asylum, it seems like the letter of the law is being followed.

Question: If the person is an asylum seeker why is it that Mexico can't be the destination for THAT asylum. They are seeking asylum FROM their Central American country which would make Mexico asylum worthy.

This!

This right here!

Why isn't Mexico their asylum destination?

If people don't see an ulterior motive then they are either blind or they're closing their eyes on purpose.

From my link in Post #66

Quote:A group of more than 1,000 migrants are on a monthlong trek — on foot, in vans and by train — from Central America through Mexico toward the United States. Some will seek refuge in Mexico, others in the United States. The majority are from Honduras, according to Buzzfeed, which has a reporter with the migrants.

About that narrative. Oops!

(04-03-2018 09:47 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:31 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:02 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  If they cross the border as asylum-seekers, as planned, how is it illegal?

It's a perfectly legal option to anyone who makes it to the border.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-847212-post-15...id15223947

pay close attention to not waiting for a thread to play out before responding....do you have a clue how the law is currently structured and why that is......

#youdonot

I'll be honest, I have a tough time with your writing. I think I know what you're saying here, so if I don't know something, teach me.

I'm simply wondering how an asylum-seeker which declared themselves at the border is an illegal immigrant (as SuperFlyBCat stated)?

I don't dispute that they're traveling through Mexico illegally, but if the border is reached and they ask for asylum, it seems like the letter of the law is being followed.

Question: If the person is an asylum seeker why is it that Mexico can't be the destination for THAT asylum. They are seeking asylum FROM their Central American country which would make Mexico asylum worthy.

This!

This right here!

Why isn't Mexico their asylum destination?

If people don't see an ulterior motive then they are either blind or they're closing their eyes on purpose.

Probably because they think Mexico is a sh*thole country.

(04-03-2018 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  About that narrative. Oops!

His story has changed. 4 days ago, it was that the caravan was headed to the US, and no one in Mexico dared to stop them.

Truth is, President Trump got sh*t done.

Initially, "two-thirds" planned on sneaking into the US undetected. Straight from his original story:

Quote:Organizers estimate that about two-thirds of people are planing on crossing into the United States undetected or asking for some type of protection like asylum.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adolfoflores/a-...ib1rmVA5yA

Now, "most" plan on staying in Mexico.

No, how about all! Thank you, President Trump!

..and that's the last we'll see of rwt in this thread.

(04-03-2018 12:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  About that narrative. Oops!

His story has changed. 4 days ago, it was that the caravan was headed to the US, and no one in Mexico dared to stop them.

Truth is, President Trump got sh*t done.

My guess is they’ll stall them for a short period. Give them a jug of dirty water and some bread and peanut butter.

Let them hang out for 3 days then go, 5 days, then you over there, go. Week and a half, y’all get going., lather rinse repeat.

They know the lazy and complicit US media will lose interest, and the populace will return to the Voice, Ellen, or whatever’s new on the Netflix.

Instead of a mass of 1000++ people all showing up at once and creating a freak show circus, they’ll come over in groups of 20 or 50 or so. Be the same ole, same ole, and ol mejico doesn’t answer for any of it.

Must be that big beautiful wall.

Trump tweets that his border wall construction has started. It hasn't

I'm curious though how these refugees from Honduras walking across Mexico have such great access to all the happenings of the great and powerful trump?

(04-03-2018 12:40 PM)Kronke Wrote:  ..and that's the last we'll see of rwt in this thread.

yep

(04-03-2018 12:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 12:40 PM)Kronke Wrote:  ..and that's the last we'll see of rwt in this thread.

yep

Brilliant timing clown.

(04-03-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm curious though how these refugees from Honduras walking across Mexico have such great access to all the happenings of the great and powerful trump?

Right, it's all a coincidence. President Trump finds out about the caravan, makes it known that he knows about it, likely makes a call to Mexico telling them to disband it or else, and the next day it is disbanded. Suddently, it goes from "two-thirds" hoping to sneak into the US to "most" planning on staying in Mexico.

Please retract and disavow your fake news.

(04-03-2018 12:50 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm curious though how these refugees from Honduras walking across Mexico have such great access to all the happenings of the great and powerful trump?

Right, it's all a coincidence. President Trump finds out about the caravan, makes it known that he knows about it, likely makes a call to Mexico telling them to disband it or else, and the next day it is disbanded. Suddently, it goes from "two-thirds" hoping to sneak into the US to "most" planning on staying in Mexico.

Please retract and disavow your fake news.

Wait...you're ******* serious!

Retract and disavow this:

(04-03-2018 06:59 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 06:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 06:18 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:31 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  I'll be honest, I have a tough time with your writing. I think I know what you're saying here, so if I don't know something, teach me.

I'm simply wondering how an asylum-seeker which declared themselves at the border is an illegal immigrant (as SuperFlyBCat stated)?

I don't dispute that they're traveling through Mexico illegally, but if the border is reached and they ask for asylum, it seems like the letter of the law is being followed.

Question: If the person is an asylum seeker why is it that Mexico can't be the destination for THAT asylum. They are seeking asylum FROM their Central American country which would make Mexico asylum worthy.

Because if you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The place you've heard has rampant cartel issues, corruption, and is economically limited. Or the place where there's a robust economy, a fair (albeit not perfect) political system, and immigrants have been welcomed and have succeeded for hundreds of years.

This is what makes America exceptional; we genuinely are the shining city upon a hill.

And thus the dumping ground for all the schiteholes of the world?

How upset in the jimmies were you when the President allegedly used that term to describe these third world dumps? If they’re not said shitholes, why all them all fleeing for here? Only to recreate their mother country in the U S of A?

Still waiting for the flotillas of Norwegians to glide into NY harbor...

the latest dippo mantra: give us your uneducated/broke/criminals......we needz us more voteses

Yep, guess it's time to change the little poem plaque on the Statue.. Throw in "yearning for a free ride" and and we can probably start creating the die or mold today...

(04-03-2018 06:18 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:31 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 04:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:02 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  If they cross the border as asylum-seekers, as planned, how is it illegal?

It's a perfectly legal option to anyone who makes it to the border.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-847212-post-15...id15223947

pay close attention to not waiting for a thread to play out before responding....do you have a clue how the law is currently structured and why that is......

#youdonot

I'll be honest, I have a tough time with your writing. I think I know what you're saying here, so if I don't know something, teach me.

I'm simply wondering how an asylum-seeker which declared themselves at the border is an illegal immigrant (as SuperFlyBCat stated)?

I don't dispute that they're traveling through Mexico illegally, but if the border is reached and they ask for asylum, it seems like the letter of the law is being followed.

Question: If the person is an asylum seeker why is it that Mexico can't be the destination for THAT asylum. They are seeking asylum FROM their Central American country which would make Mexico asylum worthy.

Because if you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The place you've heard has rampant cartel issues, corruption, and is economically limited. Or the place where there's a robust economy, a fair (albeit not perfect) political system, and immigrants have been welcomed and have succeeded for hundreds of years.

This is what makes America exceptional; we genuinely are the shining city upon a hill.

From above^^^
"Because if you're trying to start a new life from scratch, where would you go? The place you've heard has rampant cartel issues, corruption, and is economically limited. Or the place where there's a robust economy, a fair (albeit not perfect) political system, and immigrants have been welcomed and have succeeded for hundreds of years."

And that's is our problem, why?